one of the best disco dj's ive heard had 'sloppy' transitions ... & its not like larry levan was doing all this technical blending wizardry either ... dude would literally decide what track he was playing next when there was 30 seconds left on the record before it
― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Monday, 16 November 2009 10:51 (4 years ago) Permalink
like, dudes heres the deal: being 'technically good' at blending records takes a lot of work, but its not, like, a huge accomplishment in & of itself. It allows a lot more flexibility for DJs to keep the crowd happy, for sure, but treating it like the be-all-end-all is so totally missing the point. Like, I know a lot of DJs who cant rock parties for shit but they'll show u some hella smooth blending.
― hoos-kingofthedrugs (deej), Monday, 16 November 2009 10:53 (4 years ago) Permalink
remember discussing this elsewhere a while back but technical skill is only one element of good djing - track selection and sequencing are as, if not more, important
― lex pretend, Monday, 16 November 2009 10:57 (4 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I totally see your points, guys. Danny is still #2 on my list of must-see DJ's. I was just wondering.
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Monday, 16 November 2009 11:10 (4 years ago) Permalink
seems like dude wld prolly b pretty hung up on levan-cldn't-mix-4-shit type mythology 2
― plaxico (I know, right?), Monday, 16 November 2009 12:20 (4 years ago) Permalink
most Classic disco is not tight enough to do hella smooth mixes. one band decides to drop back on the beat and your in the middle of a mix with some galloping horses. So unless your happy to only mix with Ableton'd reedits, your better off choosing drop-in points and getting away with what you can.
For my money I'd pay to see a hyperactive DJ, Gym instructor & Childrens entertainer before I'd pay to see two kick drums played at the same time!!
― my opinionation (Hamildan), Monday, 16 November 2009 13:19 (4 years ago) Permalink
I was wondering about that, beatmatching disco records. I always assumed it had something to do with the pressing (when you jam 6 minutes of music into less than 2cm of groove, etc), but that doesn't explain why my copy of thriller beatmatches, but my Chic LP's don't. Are they just not keeping exact time?
I remember first seeing Theo Parrish, or listening to Michael Mayer, still wet behind the ears and subscribing to the Richie Hawtin school of mixing, and being nonplussed by how "lazy" their mixes were. As much as I do love smooth, long, mixing, you can't really apply that framework to all music, especially disco, which often is much more song structured, there's something to hearing it's beginning, middle, and end? Also, the proportion of vocal tracks makes it harder too, given that two people singing on top of each other doesn't make for good mixing either.
― EDB, Monday, 16 November 2009 14:27 (4 years ago) Permalink
In some circles a DJ is measured on how well they can blend and mix disco. It isn't impossible, you just have to know your records and how to ride them.
Remember that you don't play the vocal sides of every record back to back to back. Also, if you know your records and their song structure, you know which record has that 32 bar break that will lock up with other records.
Also, generally it isn't the band that will fuck you up with live drums, but a bad tape edit.
― your original display name is still visible (Display Name), Monday, 16 November 2009 15:02 (4 years ago) Permalink
it's probably less being hung up on the mythology and more just not caring. He's been djing for a million years, I'm sure he can mix, I'm sure I've heard him mix, I used to hear him all the time like 9 years ago or whenever and he mixed fine.
You don't have to be all "well Mancuso doesn't do it so I won't" to decide that you'd rather just focus on grabbing good records and throwing them on and not sweating the mix.
Even in the circles where a DJ is measure by how well they can blend, eventually people stop caring that much. When it's done really well it's a lot of fun to hear. When it's not done at all, if the music is good enough, you barely miss it. I do it as much as I can because nobody's there and I have to work extra hard to keep people dancing, so it's best not to confuse the dancers too much.
What would be great though is if people started taking disco records and somehow changing them so there was more space at the beginning before the vocals came in, making it easier to mix. Some kind of editing process to make the music more DJ friendly. I did it once with Vitamin C by Can.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 06:24 (4 years ago) Permalink
i see what you did there
2cd reissue set on rush hour is so killer
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 14:43 (4 years ago) Permalink
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 16:53 (4 years ago) Permalink
what's even cooler is to then make those original song titles and artists mysterious and put your name on the record.
― jaxon, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 19:44 (4 years ago) Permalink
What would be great is if DJs started taking records and somehow manipulating them so there were more instrumental bars at the beginning, making it easier to mix... some kind of "editing" process to make the music more DJ-friendly.
― max, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 19:47 (4 years ago) Permalink
^^ that was my dub edit of dan's post
lol, you guys are funny
― Jacob Sanders, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 19:50 (4 years ago) Permalink
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Friday, 11 May 2012 03:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
Listening back to the BiS from 2008. He ought to have his own radio show.
― owenf, Monday, 26 August 2013 14:51 (7 months ago) Permalink
halp what's the track on Balihu 002 that isn't "in the street" or "sylver belt"?
― ☞ (brimstead), Sunday, 1 December 2013 02:54 (4 months ago) Permalink
― the late great, Sunday, 1 December 2013 07:45 (4 months ago) Permalink
i think it is "on the moon", on this release: http://www.discogs.com/Daniel-Wang-Jamie-Hodge-Balihu-Sampler/master/567131
― spacemindy, Sunday, 1 December 2013 18:24 (4 months ago) Permalink
― ☞ (brimstead), Sunday, 1 December 2013 19:28 (4 months ago) Permalink
just listened to his beats in space, he talks between every track and, man, i could listen to him talk forever. so charming
― flopson, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:13 (4 months ago) Permalink