stephen king c/d?

Yeah Sara, I was already depressed, then I was reading this huge book about a monster that ate kids while staying in a hotel room with huge, forbidding-looking closets, and I didn't sleep very much.

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

Aw, I just want to travel back in time and give you a hug. And TAKE THAT BOOK AWAY FROM YOU FOR A WHILE.

― Sara R-C, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

I didn't realize that was when you read It.

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

It could have been worse! I could have been reading Johnny Got His Gun.

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

ha ha - I read that at John's recommendation. And it haunts me to this day.

I just remember that I read It in 11th grade; but I also remember Dan saying that It had freaked him out - yes, that is all I remember of Mr. H3b3rt's biology class. So you must have read it the year before I did, then, Dan. (Also, I didn't realize that your brother had been in a coma for long enough for you to travel back and forth... wow you went through a lot during that time.)

― Sara R-C, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

(Actually I have one other memory of Dan from that biology class; the day that he refused to take his hat off.)

― Sara R-C, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

I liked the Dark Tower series, but I think it's because I haven't read a fantasy novel since 5th grade (when Fellowship of the Ring bored me to death and turned me off of reading altogether for the next five years) and a part of me still yearns for epic quests where the fate of the world hangs in the balance etc etc. At any rate, it was a relatively guilt-free way to get my fix, so I'm not complaining.

I get why people hate the ending, and I didn't immediately embrace it either, but I'm cool with it now. I'm not a big ending guy anyway.

― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

Stephen King's endings always seem to be his weak spot. I have a friend who is a writer and she was really peeved by the ending of Cell. Actually, I think she's still annoyed about the ending to It as well.

― Sara R-C, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

There's a copy of Cell in my house! I might read that. The cover is great: "Your Number is Up!" (Stormclouds in background, etc.)

― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

Oh God, the fucking hat story. Ugh.

King's anthologies are really great; Skeleton Crew is one of the most fun things I've ever read.

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

Cell is not bad... I liked it and I didn't mind the ending.

Whatever you do, I'd avoid Insomnia. From a Buick 8 kind of left me cold, too.

Skeleton Crew was what made me a King addict. I still can't read "The Mist" without my palms sweating.

(Dan, sorry to bring up the hat story.)

― Sara R-C, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

My scalp is tingling now. Either I am about to be attacked by The Green goblin or my father scarred me mentally for life.

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

lol... sorry. I blame myself. (Seriously, what WAS your father thinking?)

― Sara R-C, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

"The Mist" was a fun read.

― Anonymous, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

He was thinking it was 1960 instead of 1990?

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah, Skeleton Crew was great. I thought the ending of "The Mist" was perfect, with the sudden shift of focus from a very small geographic area to this entire weird terrifying world filled with horrors you can only begin to imagine. it's a total mindfuck moment, and left me so freaked out that I didn't even really care about the fate of the characters anymore.

― bernard snowy, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

OK, why do I not remember the hat story?

― Anonymous, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yes, please share.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm resisting writing my dim memory of it out because I fear it would not be accurate.

"The Mist" is terrifying. I was on an airplane when I read it the first time... surrounded by clouds.

― Sara R-C, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

i'm dreading/anticipating the movie

― latebloomer, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

FB = RUMBLED

The hat story: Because it was a pain in the ass to get haircuts in the Twin Cities and my family didn't trust the hairdressers in town to know how to do black hair, my haircuts were very, very infrequent, usually something on the order of 8 months apart. In the midst of one of these haircut lapses, my dad decided that it would help make my hair more manageable if he straightened it. I didn't fully understand the logic behind it, but I deferred to his 33 years of added life experience and let him put relaxer on my head. The end result, of course, was that he burned all shades of holy shit out of my scalp and created a situation where all of the hair on my head essentially stuck straight out and my scalp was so damaged that even a light breeze wafting across my head caused intense pain. I got around this by wearing a baseball cap. The next day in biology class, the teacher decided that it was hellaciously disrespectful of me to wear a hat in his class and demanded that I take it off. I told him no and tried to relay what my dad had done to me, but he was hearing none of it. The thing basically turned into a shouting match where I finally yanked off my hat and displayed my comedy afro + oozing scabby scalp and said, "THERE! ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?" He took a horrified look at my head and said, "Okay you can keep the hat on," to which I said, "THANK YOU!" and slammed the hat back on my head, which of course was followed by a muffled yelp of pain.

Good times.

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

fun fact: "The Mist" was part of the inspiration for Half-Life

― kingfish, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

Argh I forgot to add King content in that last post.

Carrie is an excellent read because it's short and the way it's written is really, really compelling; I don't know that he's done a book like that since.

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

Other fun fact: Infocom made a text-adventure game of the story

― kingfish, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

> drop pig's head

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yikes, Dan, I had forgotten about the burning part. Ouch!

And more S.K. info:

BTW, I had just finished Desperation when I went into preterm labor with Alex. Connection?

Then, when I was pregnant with J., I decided to go on a massive Stephen King re-reading binge, starting with The Stand (because I had a cold). Stephen King is, apparently, my comfort reading.

― Sara R-C, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

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― HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

I agree with much that's already been recommended here. The Stand is still my favourite, for the apocalyptic thing, sure, but all those compelling characters, and probably for the circumstances in which I read it. Thinking about it now, it's like the ultimate reality show, albeit on a way bigger backdrop than, say, the Cook Islands or Vanuatu -- "Survivor: the Continental United States". (And it has Trashcan Man!)

I reached the end of The Dark Tower with some trepidation after hearing about all the disappointment, but I loved it! To me, it was only way he could[ have ended it without it appearing forced. There's another thing he does toward the last two or three instalments, though (and I won't say what in case anyone on this thread decides to read the whole thing), that I'm not so sure about.

Everyone OTM (or 808080808 or whatever the new OTM is) re: his collections. They're probably better written than his novels over all, as he is finally forced to edit something! Skeleton Crew and Night Shift are excellent, yes, but don't forget the collections of shorter novels like Different Seasons and Nightmares And Dreamscapes. The former is almost perfect (and contains the two stories that formed the basis for two of the few decent King-inspired movies -- Stand By Me and Shawshank Redemption -- and both stories are better than the films.

I read his latest, Lisey's Story, and I'm still trying to get my head around it. It has its faults, but it may well be the most beautiful of his novels, and is quite achingly tender at times without necessarily falling into the maudlin trap he's sometimes prone to. Cell is fun, a lighter, breezier The Stand and an obvious tribute to George Romero.

Dan OTM re: Carrie and the way it's constructed, very readable and nowhere near as bulky as most of his novels. A good start for anyone new to King. Although I loved Pet Sematary (while being utterly horrified by it in a similar way to Cujo, that Sara has already alluded to).

Sorry, this is long.

(And if I haven't fucked up any of that code, it'll be a miracle, so apologies ahead of time if everything ends up in italics.)

― Lostandfound, Thursday, 10 May 2007 18:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

How could I forget Different Seasons? Sooooo awesome.

I liked Lisey's Story for a lot of reasons - and was surprised to find myself in tears at the end of it - but some of the "inner language of a marriage" stuff was kind of grating.

Also, I think I've heard about what you're referring to in the latter [i]Dark Tower[i] books, Lostandfound, and I kind of dread it... but maybe it will work for me, who knows.

― Sara R-C, Thursday, 10 May 2007 18:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

He's terrific at plot constuction and spookily poetic imagery, however he has a ridiculously undisciplined style, to the extent that most of his books could probably be half the length and still have the same ammount of story (maybe why they're good for filming?). I haven't actually read too much of his stuff because of this.

― chap, Thursday, 10 May 2007 18:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think his inability to effectively end a story actually worked to his advantage in Needful Things.

― HI DERE, Thursday, 10 May 2007 18:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

I would blame editors for that problem.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 10 May 2007 18:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

i think part of the reason Pet Sematary is my favorite novel of his is because it's just the right length.

― latebloomer, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think his editors are either afraid to do anything to his work at this point (and for a long time now) OR they don't care, since the stuff is going to sell like mad anyway. I mean, the entire first chapter of Black House should have been scrapped.

(King's not the only author with this problem; the 5th Harry Potter book desperately needed editing. Someone must have stepped in for #6, though, as it was a lot better...)

― Sara R-C, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

I liked Lisey's Story for a lot of reasons - and was surprised to find myself in tears at the end of it - but some of the "inner language of a marriage" stuff was kind of grating.

Yes, exactly. The pet words they used, etc. But other than that, there was a pretty hefty emotional payoff, wasn't there? Surprised me a bit. Especially after the whole can opener scene (I didn't think he could rescue it after that, which was also surprising in that King isn't usually sadistic).

Also, I think I've heard about what you're referring to in the latter Dark Tower[i] books, Lostandfound, and I kind of dread it... but maybe it will work for me, who knows.

It was odd. I still can't decide if it was audacious or gimmicky (or both!), but it didn't ruin the series in the end (for me). I know that he's been accused of phoning in the last three books, but I was there for the whole ride and loved every minute of it, even though you can tell he had no idea where to go with the plot at various points. as with a lot of his stuff, it comes down to characters -- when they're stock clichés, it's boring, but when they compel you, you can't interrupt the damn thing even to go to the bathroom. For me, [i]The Dark Tower (in spite of a few sagging sections) is in the latter group.

― Lostandfound, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

See, I knew I'd fuck up this code.

― Lostandfound, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

Not to worry, I'm still following you.

but when they compel you, you can't interrupt the damn thing even to go to the bathroom...

Or sleep... or study... when I read Wizard and Glass I was going through horrible insomnia, so it worked out perfectly.

King isn't usually sadistic.

Wait, are we reading the same Stephen King books? (Misery leaps to mind first).

― Sara R-C, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

So, I'm gonna try picking up The Stand -- should I definitely grab the extended edition? (I've got all summer...)

― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

Okay, now I'm going to sit here and think about all the other things in his books that might be considered sadistic.

Maybe sadism, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

― Sara R-C, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

The Amazon reviews for the Langoliers miniseries are INCREDIBLE:

STEPHEN.... KING .... THE GENIUS OF THE STRANGE, October 4, 2003
Reviewer: BOT Alain (Saint-Martin au Laërt, Pas de calais France) - See all my reviews
(REAL NAME)
This movie is a very good discovery witch has "provide you are reciptives" SCIENTIFICS REFERENCES OF TEMPORAL QUANTUM PHYSICAL because what's accurately the TIME FACTOR ? The material SUBSTANCE ? WHAT ARE EXACTLY THE DIFFERENTS POSSIBILITY INHERENTS AS THAT ? STEPHEN KING who was writting this book whitch has inspired this movie is compulsory to know these NOTIONS .... MATHEMATICALS and with its dreams witch are almost communicables the scepticism of any pepople who look this splendid MOVIE disappear inevitably !!! THIS MAN IS REALY A GENIUS AND OF COURSE THE MOVIE IS BECOMING WITH HIM A MASTERPIECE ! A airpline witch never find the ground for crash-land, the odour witch is not there in this atmosphere every OFthese THINGS CREATED THROUGHT THE TERRIBLE YOUTHFULNESS OF A POOR MAN TOOMY !!! INNOVATOR STEPHEN KING... REALY with many thrillers, actions, emotions, some science, very much compatibility with the reality in despite of slows averages !

― Abbott, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

DEFINITELY get the extended version of The Stand.

― HI DERE, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

But what this review is about whether there is going to be a sequel to Langoliers. Here is MY prediction of a sequel: The funerals of Don Gaffney,Nick Hopewell,Dinah Bellman,and yes even the psychopath banker Craig Toomey are held in where else?,Boston,Mass. The characters still goes as follows: Captain Brian Engle is still going to his ex-wives funeral,Don Gaffney's grandaugther is going to Don's funeral,Laurel Stevenson is going to the funeral of Dinah,Don,and Nick,Albert Kaussner and Bethany Simms are now married and are going to the funeral of Dinah,Don,and Nick,Bob Jenkins is not only going to the funerals of Don,Nick,and Dinah, but he is going to write a novel of his previous trip on AP #29,Rudy Warwick who is also going to said funeral (and hopes that there is plenty of food at that funeral),Craig Toomey's unmentioned brother Greg has 3 things on his mind:1,Going to the funeral of Craig 2,Finish what his brother started (attend that important meeting in Boston at 9:00) and 3,Makes sure he dosen't suffer the same fate as his brother,Nick's father is going to his son's funeral since he found out about the disaster of flight 29 in a England paper,and last but not least,an unknown mercenary who ISN'T among the 10 survivors of flight 29 who is just going to Boston to get away fom the stresses of L.A. But he also has the psychic powers of Dinah,and his vacation turns into a all fought out battle for the lives of the 9 NEW passengers of AP Flight 58 and for time against the Langoliers who now want to eat more than just lazy boys and girls and the past. Same goes as follows:Time rip (now caused by a brutal t storm before the 2nd trip to Boston,not an auora borealias) sleeping people survive,awake people die,Brian takes over as new pilot AGAIN as the 2 pilots of aP 58 are the only ones that die,fuel of past works with plane of the present but takes longer to join time stream,and Brian puts plane on autopilot before decreasing pressure. See the battle for time and life of 10 NEW passangers aboard AP Flight 58 in:Return Of The Langoliers:Saving The Past,Present,and Future. Tell me if you think that there is going to be a sequel and if you have a same or different prediction of a sequel.

― Abbott, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

My 2 cents for the unabridged: some of the added scenes are really excellent. BUT it was my favorite book before that and the unabridged came out just before I graduated from high school. I have a great memory of my friend T0dd and I racing to finish the "new" version first. (He won, but only because he tricked me.)

― Sara R-C, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

Re: The Stand, I think the original version is hurt by heavy editing, but the extended version is bogged down by no editing. It's my favorite book by him, but for a beginner I'd recommend The Shining and Night Shift, a good novel and a great story collection.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

I was reading the Shining at age 17 in my bedroom. My mom came in, flipped out, and asked me why I was trying to channel Satan. Good book, though.

― Abbott, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

ha ha, my Mom just asks, "why do you like such WEIRD things?" (I mean, she's still asking this and I'm 35 now. You think she's just have accepted it by now. Next time I'm going to tell her "I'm trying to channel Satan.")

― Sara R-C, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

EASY TIGER

It was, Ryan Adams says, this girl he’s been spending time with; the title of this album is her fault. “She wanted to go out to dinner at eight; I wanted to go right away. She said, ‘Easy, Tiger.’ And that hit me. It stuck with me to the point where I called up Neal [that would be Neal Casal, guitarist of The Cardinals] and left a message on his answering machine with those two words. ‘Don’t forget this,’ I said, ‘cause I want to use it.’ ”

Adams laughs and adds, “I think he’s still got that message.”

And I understand that. Some things you just save, because they’re worth playing over again.

I think there are really only two kinds of pop music CDs these days. There are the ones you listen to only once or twice, maybe downloading the single good song to your iPod or computer; then there are others that grow stronger, sweeter, and more necessary each time you play them. Gold was that way; Cold Roses was that way; so was Jacksonville City Nights. I won’t say Adams is the best North American singer-songwriter since Neil Young…but I won’t say he isn’t, either. What I know is there has never been a Ryan Adams record quite as strong and together as Easy Tiger; it’s got enough blue-eyed, blue-steel soul (with the faintest country tinge) to make me think of both Marvin Gaye and the Righteous Brothers. Probably ridiculous, but true. And the songs themselves are beautiful—the lyrics tightly focused and brief, the feeling one of melancholy calm that will probably be a revelation to fans that remember the old, sometimes angry Ryan Adams.

He agrees that the tone of Easy Tiger is different — not dark, just different—and suggests in passing that it may have something to do with both sobering up and growing up (he’s 32). Then he goes on to talk about the process, which is clearly something close to his heart. “I write on a manual typewriter,” he says. “I get up, I have a cup of coffee, I sit down at the typewriter. I never spent a useless day behind a typewriter.”

I say amen to that, but he’s already going on.

“It’s like—I don’t know, sometimes it’s like chasing a pretty girl on the beach. And things I never thought I could do…I can do.”

I mention how prolific he is, aware that I might be touching a sore point. After all, there are plenty of critics who seem to think that’s a bad thing. Adams, however, just laughs.

“Yeah, yeah, in America people give you shit for working hard,” he says. “But…it’s process, that’s all. I process things. I went into the dream business. If people need ‘em, I’ve got extra.”

He talks enthusiastically about all the unreleased material he hopes to set free in a box set, maybe at the end of the year (“If people hear it all, then they’ll get the connections,” he says), but that’s then. Now there’s this, maybe the best Ryan Adams CD ever. And I know you want to listen to it right away. But slow down. Take your time. This album asks for that, and it will reward your full attention.

In other words—easy, Tiger.

--Stephen King

― MRZBW, Friday, 11 May 2007 01:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

they don't care, since the stuff is going to sell like mad anyway.

bingo.

Yeah I really wouldn't start out with the Stand. Soo big. Start with something a bit more managable to get a feel for him before you dive into an epic.

I started reading him when I was 8 and my mother never said shit. Then I would've thought that was cool now I think it sucks.

― Ms Misery, Friday, 11 May 2007 01:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think his inability to effectively end a story actually worked to his advantage in Needful Things.
-- HI DERE, Thursday, 10 May 2007 18:56 (Yesterday)

I'm curious as to your rationale behind this. I only ask because I was a huge SK fan as a youth and Needful Things was the first time I realized that he couldn't wrap up his novels. I began to lose my taste for him with the ending of this book. How did it work to his advantage?

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 11 May 2007 01:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

IIRC, at the end of Needful Things the entire town is in shambles and the nascent relationship that had been budding throughout the book is in total shambles; all of the survivors are sitting around completely shellshocked and at a loss as to what they're going to do next... and then the novel just stops. It was more unsettling than the total freakout Armageddon that preceded it.

(I admit I may be mixing in parts of the end of The Dark Half here.)

― HI DERE, Friday, 11 May 2007 03:00 (6 years ago) Permalink