Part of the pomo bit i'm talking about is best described by Stephen Colbert, and perfectly encaptured by "truthiness":
...We weren't thrilled with Bush because we thought he was a good guy at that point, we were thrilled with him because we thought that he probably had hired people who would fuck up our enemies, regardless of how they had to do it. That was for us a very good thing, and I can't argue with the validity of that feeling.But that has been extended to the idea that authoritarian is better than authority. Because authoritarian means there's only one authority, and that authority has got to be the President, has got to be the government, and has got to be his allies. What the right-wing in the United States tries to do is undermine the press. They call the press "liberal," they call the press "biased," not necessarily because it is or because they have problems with the facts of the left—or even because of the bias for the left, because it's hard not to be biased in some way, everyone is always going to enter their editorial opinion—but because a press that has validity is a press that has authority. And as soon as there's any authority to what the press says, you question the authority of the government—it's like the existence of another authority. So that's another part of truthiness. Truthiness is "What I say is right, and nothing anyone else says could possibly be true." It's not only that I feel it to be true, but that I feel it to be true. There's not only an emotional quality, but there's a selfish quality.
But that has been extended to the idea that authoritarian is better than authority. Because authoritarian means there's only one authority, and that authority has got to be the President, has got to be the government, and has got to be his allies. What the right-wing in the United States tries to do is undermine the press. They call the press "liberal," they call the press "biased," not necessarily because it is or because they have problems with the facts of the left—or even because of the bias for the left, because it's hard not to be biased in some way, everyone is always going to enter their editorial opinion—but because a press that has validity is a press that has authority. And as soon as there's any authority to what the press says, you question the authority of the government—it's like the existence of another authority. So that's another part of truthiness. Truthiness is "What I say is right, and nothing anyone else says could possibly be true." It's not only that I feel it to be true, but that I feel it to be true. There's not only an emotional quality, but there's a selfish quality.
It's the authoritarian aspect I'm talking about, where one of the side effects is to dispute the authoritative. In other words, if you know your shit, you can call others on their's. And rightwing authoritarian types can't have that. Because your mindset is completely dependent on the big tough daddy who sets the rules and knows best, and NOTHING can question that, because it is in the questioning that the possibility of error or that daddy might not be completely right, and the RWA mindset is (deliberately) stunted enough not to be able to handle that variance, or any shading.
So b/c the RWA thing so needs the unquestioned authority, it will attack anyone or anything that could possibly have a valid standing. You attack those climate scientists who are disagreeing with what daddy and his Party had decried, and then you attack science itself. You try to weaken science by bringing in religion, and teaching not-science along with science. That's one of the problems of the home-school/creationist/ID thing, a deliberate attempt(read "The Wedge Document", this shit really is planned out) to attack any authority that can contest Daddy.
― kingfish, Thursday, 9 August 2007 23:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Three people who really understand what's going on, but who really need to meet and talk this shit over, is Stephen Colbert, Bob Altenmeyer(free book is online), and Chris Hedges. I've repped for the last two on several threads.
― kingfish, Thursday, 9 August 2007 23:26 (sixteen years ago) link
Here's a good bit of Hedges' writing, about stuff like the Creationism Museum and how totalitarian movements begin with the deliberate confusing of fact w/ opinion. Because once you destroy objective fact, everything becomes opinion, and any unpopular or unusable opinions can just be brushed away.
― kingfish, Thursday, 9 August 2007 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link
What Colbert is talking about seems to predate pomo--come from the same primordial sludge that created Fascism, Nazism. Of course it also sounds like how nearly every religion functions--ignore contrary data!
― mulla atari, Thursday, 9 August 2007 23:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Actually, Fascism predates Nazism by a coupla thousand years, but yeah, he's definitely talking about a deliberate pre-Enlightenment mindset, where the church was the only Authority and the despot ruled by Divine Hand. In other words, the natural order is the Moral Order(George Lakhoff talks about this a lot in _Moral Politics_). E.g. Men are stronger than women, and God made everything the way they are, so men rule over women because God says so, and questioning that is questioning God. (etc etc etc)
Also, this is where the power of the claim of "biblical literalism" comes in(despite the fact that such a thing is impossible). If i convince myself and stamp my feet angrily to demand that my reading of the Bible(a n inerrant, perfect book written by God) is the only one possible and that all my political standings come from this bible(despite oddly focusing on Mosaic law and not Christian), then I am true and valid and it's in the book! If your upbringing was deliberately stunted and damaged to where questioning authority figures(dad, cops, the general, the president) is beaten out of you and, as a result, you're so insecure you can't handle any ambiguity at all, you have to delude yourself into something you believe to be true and unchanging. Why, marriage has ALWAYS been about romantic love between a man and a woman!
― kingfish, Thursday, 9 August 2007 23:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Did we just get a new new Faithmouse header? I hope someone is saving these!
― libcrypt, Friday, 10 August 2007 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Thanks, Dan Lacey!
― libcrypt, Friday, 10 August 2007 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link
This thread needs now is a boob joke from Muir:
http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/081007.jpg
― C. Grisso/McCain, Friday, 10 August 2007 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't get it
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 10 August 2007 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/strips/mallard/2000/MFT20070810.jpg
Sometimes I wonder if hackiness is part of the water supply, or just the lazy swiping of joeks from other idiots months ago, or what.
http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/preview/%7B4EC78B79-ED2A-49FE-A026-81CD994F5889%7D.gif
This is kinda neat. We're now seeing the evolution of portraying people interacting with information. Instead of the classic "guy sitting on an easy chair watching tv or reading the paper" as a bit of shorthand to denote commentary on recent events, we finally have people being shown reading newspapers online(which is what most of us actually do now).
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/20070810RZ1AP-TancredoObama.jpg
look out for the tancredo penis-nose!
― kingfish, Friday, 10 August 2007 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link
the redhead is preggers with twin neo-cons, and it's making a pun on "twins" referring to actual twin fetuses and to her bazoombas.
― kingfish, Friday, 10 August 2007 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link
listen, the true reason why the rightwing batshitters oppose sex education and abortion is that they all have a fetish for painful, distended pregger-tits
xpost
― elmo argonaut, Friday, 10 August 2007 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gm070808.jpg
haha, hillary got a big ol' ass, and even the john edwards simulacrum has a purse, 'coz he's a cross-dressing faggit, apparently
― kingfish, Friday, 10 August 2007 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link
The duck's "compact fluorescent bulb" looks suspiciously like a polished turd. Apt!
― elmo argonaut, Friday, 10 August 2007 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link
if Dan Lacey drinks, I'm buying him a beer.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 10 August 2007 17:26 (sixteen years ago) link
holy shit
― kingfish, Friday, 10 August 2007 17:44 (sixteen years ago) link
I am :)
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/roodle_faux/aclu87reg.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/roodle_faux/aclu872reg.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w295/roodle_faux/aclu87reg3.jpg
― V, Friday, 10 August 2007 17:52 (sixteen years ago) link
hmm... does Dan Lacey object to liberation theology?
― elmo argonaut, Friday, 10 August 2007 17:53 (sixteen years ago) link
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/20070813RZ1AP-SpyAuthority.jpg
compare & contrast with
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/20070813ST1AP-BushMonitored.jpg
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/tmwst070810.jpg
― kingfish, Friday, 10 August 2007 17:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Dan Lacey :D
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 10 August 2007 18:00 (sixteen years ago) link
it's nice to see good art and a sense of humor bring together people who disagree so fundamentally on so much
― kenan, Friday, 10 August 2007 18:06 (sixteen years ago) link
tactical polyvalence of discourse
― max, Friday, 10 August 2007 18:07 (sixteen years ago) link
is i think what foucault calls what youre talking abt re: postmodern relativism and right wing talking points
― max, Friday, 10 August 2007 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link
"polyvalence" wow... way to make me look up a word. :)
― kenan, Friday, 10 August 2007 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link
absolutely. humor goes a long way. being a better cartoonist than all his peers doesn't hurt either.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 10 August 2007 19:27 (sixteen years ago) link
laughing is a scavenger's pastime
― El Tomboto, Friday, 10 August 2007 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link
I respect lacey for his creative illustration, that was my point. One day maybe he'll respect me for my ideas about infrastructure - etc.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 10 August 2007 19:58 (sixteen years ago) link
what does that even mean?
― kenan, Friday, 10 August 2007 20:01 (sixteen years ago) link
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
― El Tomboto, Friday, 10 August 2007 20:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Is that a Che Jesus giving us the Osama Bin Fonzie thumbs up?
― mulla atari, Saturday, 11 August 2007 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Jesus
― tremendoid, Saturday, 11 August 2007 01:23 (sixteen years ago) link
YES!
― tremendoid, Saturday, 11 August 2007 01:24 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/081107.jpg
ha, so take THAT, you fuckin' libruls!
― kingfish, Sunday, 12 August 2007 01:18 (sixteen years ago) link
And the Right Wing crusade for accurate scientific data continues...
― mulla atari, Sunday, 12 August 2007 01:39 (sixteen years ago) link
accurate scientific data that agrees with the bible and corporate interests. it's gonna be a long crusade.
― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Sunday, 12 August 2007 02:10 (sixteen years ago) link
ALGOR-ithms
― Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 12 August 2007 04:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Now now, if he hadn't broken it up that ITHMS would have hit her right in the rack
― DJ Mencap, Sunday, 12 August 2007 10:29 (sixteen years ago) link
why is Dan Lacey mocking the Messiah in the third pic?
― Heave Ho, Sunday, 12 August 2007 10:44 (sixteen years ago) link
that's not the mEsiiah, that's Buddy Democrat! Read one cartoon?
― kenan, Sunday, 12 August 2007 22:19 (sixteen years ago) link
heh. Way to type while watching TV at the same time, Kenan.
― kenan, Sunday, 12 August 2007 22:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Jesus, those flowers' centers are so near, or on, where her nips should be.
― Abbott, Sunday, 12 August 2007 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link
pew pew!!!
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Sunday, 12 August 2007 22:40 (sixteen years ago) link
june is bustin' out all over
― kenan, Sunday, 12 August 2007 22:47 (sixteen years ago) link
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/20070814RZ1AP-ObamaHillary.jpg
UH
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/PN081507.jpg
http://www.creators.com/comics/37/8684_thumb.gif
have fun picking an interpretation for this one
― kingfish, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:32 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.creators.com/comics/37/8685_thumb.gif
oh wait, oh wait, i know! what are "Dwight D Eisenhower in 1952 and Richard Nixon in 1968"?
http://www.creators.com/comics/37/8686_thumb.gif
http://www.creators.com/comics/37/8687_thumb.gif
― kingfish, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.creators.com/comics/37/8689_thumb.gif
see, fourth or fifth time going to the well, still funny
― kingfish, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:36 (sixteen years ago) link
I think Chris Muir has been taking our words to heart. Still insane, but at least 2/3 of the strip makes sense (Python movie????):
http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/081307.jpg
― milo z, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:37 (sixteen years ago) link
I WOULD VOTE FOR HILLARY IF SHE ACTUALLY SAID THAT!
― kenan, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:37 (sixteen years ago) link
This is amazing. It's not a joke AT ALL, but BSRW Joe thinks it is, which is... amazing.
― kenan, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:40 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.patriotart.com/images/08_13_07/MerlotForOverbite450.jpg Olbermann: Last in the ratings, last in talent.
We getting full on into rightwing slash fanfic shit here.
― kingfish, Monday, 13 August 2007 18:46 (sixteen years ago) link