Nels Cline 3, Joe Pass 0
― Johnny Hotcox, Friday, 29 June 2007 23:12 (5 years ago) Permalink
i mean, come on
Wow guys.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 June 2007 23:27 (5 years ago) Permalink
sorta shocked grant green pulls ahead of wes
yr all just hating on the beatles covers
― deej, Friday, 29 June 2007 23:30 (5 years ago) Permalink
hey grant did beatles covers too! i think he stole the arrangements from Wes, matter of fact.
― tylerw, Friday, 29 June 2007 23:34 (5 years ago) Permalink
ilm's dirty acid jazz past revealed at last. why wasn't boogaloo joe jones number two?
― scott seward, Friday, 29 June 2007 23:59 (5 years ago) Permalink
ILM: Soft on jazz
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 30 June 2007 05:45 (5 years ago) Permalink
well, yeah!
― Saxby D. Elder, Saturday, 30 June 2007 06:05 (5 years ago) Permalink
The version of "Airegin" from Incredible Jazz Guitar is another one of those songs that gets stuck in my head really often. I'd say at least once a week.
― Oilyrags, Saturday, 30 June 2007 13:34 (5 years ago) Permalink
Grant Green didn't get desperate and making loads of unfortunate musical mis-steps until long after Wes was dead. I doubt he was the winner of this poll for his "acid jazz" material, he was just a bloody great player is all. Was he better than Wes (or Django or Charlie Christian for that matter)? Maybe not... But there is a good reason that he is the winner.
Question: did the people who voted for him do so because of his pre-1970 material (as I did) or post?
― Saxby D. Elder, Saturday, 30 June 2007 15:22 (5 years ago) Permalink
i actually can't remember if i voted for Grant or not, but I may have -- I like both eras of his playing, though, yeah, there is some dumb 70s stuff. Some great 70s stuff too! "The Final Comedown"! Pre-fusion era, "Idle Moments" is a stone cold classic.
― tylerw, Saturday, 30 June 2007 16:03 (5 years ago) Permalink
re Wes "mis-steps"? What, the A&M stuff? Because if you're talking about the Verve albums, you're mistaken. Those smoke just as much as the earlier records. They just have different arrangements--the playing is the same, if not better. This "early Wes" vs "late Wes" trope that has been around for years, and it's totally stale. The verve records are *great*, and how many A&M albums are there, two tops?
I love Grant, but he'll always be second banana to Wes. Wes is just twice as exciting. I've never heard Green do a chord-melody, or an octave solo. He's very one-dimensional compared to Wes.
― Johnny Hotcox, Saturday, 30 June 2007 16:23 (5 years ago) Permalink
OTM. Incredible Jazz Guitar alone trumps Grant Green's entire oeuvre, and who cares if he made "musical missteps" (i.e. paid the bills) later.
― Hurting 2, Sunday, 1 July 2007 17:09 (5 years ago) Permalink
These Wes Montgomery live records are really hot. It is why I voted for Wes.
Smokin' at the Half Note Full House Complete Live in Paris 1965
― earlnash, Sunday, 1 July 2007 19:47 (5 years ago) Permalink
no doubt, wes was amazing!
― Saxby D. Elder, Sunday, 1 July 2007 20:05 (5 years ago) Permalink
yeah the live Europe stuff is just insane. Wes is one of the very few guys who consistently pins the "WTF did you just hear that?" meter
― Johnny Hotcox, Sunday, 1 July 2007 21:34 (5 years ago) Permalink
if Wes has any drawbacks, it's that he's almost too good, and too fluid. it could get boring, I suppose. he never makes a mistake. he's like Bird.
Green is a much more hesitant player, which brings another aspect to it. You can hear more of the ANGUISH of life through Grant's playing. I think that's why people are attracted to him. Wes is more like an alien from another planet.
― Johnny Hotcox, Sunday, 1 July 2007 21:38 (5 years ago) Permalink
"Blue n' Boogie" on Full House is so killer. The section at the end where Wes and Johnny Griffin play back and forth off of each other is really exciting.
It is a shame that some of the SF dates that Wes did with Coltrane never got recorded. I bet those were pretty hot.
― earlnash, Monday, 2 July 2007 03:55 (5 years ago) Permalink
Yes, this is why I like GG just a bit better. OTM!
― Saxby D. Elder, Monday, 2 July 2007 06:32 (5 years ago) Permalink
I have had wet dreams about this for years.
― Oilyrags, Monday, 2 July 2007 12:25 (5 years ago) Permalink
I'm sure glad I voted in this one, otherwise poor Barney would have been left out in the cold.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 18:08 (5 years ago) Permalink
You folks who didn't vote for Charlie Christian are flat-out fools.
― BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 21:20 (5 years ago) Permalink
hmmm, well the pollster didn't actually ask a question like "who is your favorite" or "who is best" or "most influential". Here I go then...
Most influential: Charlie Christian Best: Wes Montgomery My favorite: Johnny Smith My favorite in the poll: Grant Green Most innovative in a modern setting: James Blood Ulmer Most technically gifted: perhaps Joe Pass
― Saxby D. Elder, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 22:29 (5 years ago) Permalink
destruction terror and mayhem
― 12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 08:33 (4 years ago) Permalink
When I first picked up the guitar back in 01 I bought a guitar magazine and saw this transcribed in it. Didn't take note of the tempo, learned it ultra super duper slow. Then I heard it.
― 12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 08:34 (4 years ago) Permalink
And realized that uh I would never play it. I saved the transcription and I still come back to it once or twice a year to see if I'm up to speed yet, but goddamn. Also lol @ "Flight of the Bumblebee"
― 12HOOS2012 (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 08:36 (4 years ago) Permalink
these poll results are weird! grant green is usually underrated
― deej, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 08:36 (4 years ago) Permalink
Pat Martino...
My guitar teacher told me that he was in some kind of severe accident where he completely lost his ability to play and completely re-learned. Also something about him having some weird system where he can spell words in his mind with the notes of his solos.
― Everything is Highlighted (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 24 September 2008 10:35 (4 years ago) Permalink
yeah, his story is made-for-tv-movie level fascinating.
― Jordan, Wednesday, 24 September 2008 14:34 (4 years ago) Permalink
Why does most jazz guitar SOUND so shitty? So many guys on this list either have unsatisfying and weak "clean" sounds or use obnoxious effects to cover up the flaws. Only a handful make a really satisfying sound with their instrument, either clean or with effects.
― Tyrone Quattlebaum (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 20:32 (4 years ago) Permalink
Never learned how many votes Django ended up with (still can't believe he was left off the original ballot).
― Jazzbo, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 20:47 (4 years ago) Permalink
Looks like 3
― Tyrone Quattlebaum (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 21:07 (4 years ago) Permalink
Bucky's appearing tonight at the Bella Luna restaurant on the Upper Westside, where he will be dueting with Jack Wilkins, who didn't even make the ballot.
― moe greene dolphin street (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 22:39 (4 years ago) Permalink
man, if they were playing an hour later i'd drop by. as it is i won't be off til 9:30.
― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 24 March 2009 23:02 (4 years ago) Permalink
(which makes two different shows i'm missing tonight because they're playing too early. wtf new york?)
It hurts me to do so but I think I really disagree with Hurting 2 about the sound of jazz guitarists. Question: Are you comparing them to rock guitarists? (You very well may not be.) I feel that many people take rock guitar sounds, which are almost always deadened by amps, as a standard for the sound of the electric guitar. The instrument has more to offer sonically!
― Sundar, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 23:09 (4 years ago) Permalink
I wonder if you went over to that gig and sat at the bar you could catch the tail end, Jesse.
In other news another non-poll maker, Gene Bertoncini, is appearing tomorrow with strings at the Jazz Standard.
― moe greene dolphin street (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 01:33 (4 years ago) Permalink
Question: Are you comparing them to rock guitarists? (You very well may not be.)
No, I'm more comparing them to the sounds of other jazz instruments. I find guitar (in the hands of most) to be one of the least-satisfying sounds in jazz -- it's usually so dynamically flat and often fails to blend properly with the band. It too often sound more like a note machine than a real instrument.
― Comprehensive Nuclear Suggest-Ban Treaty (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 01:43 (4 years ago) Permalink
Hurting, if you are not too buried under your lawbooks you should come out one night to see some solo jazz guitar so you can be proven wrong. Although actually I think you do have a point.
― moe greene dolphin street (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 01:49 (4 years ago) Permalink
Didn't notice this, so Charlie Byrd missed a well-deserved vote.
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 02:03 (4 years ago) Permalink
Here's a link to the Jack Wilkins gig page so you can see when he's dueting with Bucky again or with Howard Alden, or want to be ready when Jimmy Bruno comes to town.
― moe greene dolphin street (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 02:21 (4 years ago) Permalink
Hm, do you find guitar much worse than keyboards or vibes?
― Sundar, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 02:38 (4 years ago) Permalink
Wow, how did I never know about Johnny Smith before?
― rammer jammer jan hammer (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 05:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
O_o Joe Pass 0
― Histrionic-Dependent (PappaWheelie V), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 05:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
I happen to find Joe Pass a little boring, fwiw.
― rammer jammer jan hammer (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 05:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
although I like the duets with Herb Ellis
Johnny Smith, the guy who wrote "Walk Don't Run"? You don't hear about him much these days. However I will re-extend my offer to you, Hurting, to come out and see some jazz guitar. Jack Wilkins is playing tonight at a place called Rue 57 where you will be able to see how well he blends in with Harvie S, Billy Drummond and Harry Allen and maybe talk to him about Johnny Smith or Ted Dunbar.
― suspect centauri device (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 14:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
You missed a good show. And the guy who books the place is way into Johnny Smith.
― suspect centauri device (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 September 2010 04:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
Sorry man so this too late.
― adamirl (Hurting 2), Thursday, 30 September 2010 05:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
saw