Is SPIN really circling the drain?

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Yep, Chris. You're right. That's exactly what that means. Perhaps there should be zero standards in journalism, and those standards should be reduced even further by allowing anyone with a computer to destroy the English language in print. While we're at it, let's never pay an artist for their work since, by making a simple leap like yours, they must not be talented if they're getting paid for it. I know David Blaine is a publicity whore, so maybe we can get him to shit in a bucket for free and call it art. Since it's free and all.

another scott, Thursday, 26 February 2004 04:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'd actually say the writing in SPIN is very good. It's just that the editorial direction has been abysmal--driven by the bean counters or what, I dunno, but it's been adrift for awhile.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 04:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

Spin has become so insular in the last two years. I think it lost itself up the ass of NYC and the White Stripes. It's more about the editors stroking their ego and pimping their presence in NYC than trying to reach an audience. The design has become restrictive and overbearing, it almost overshadows the stories. The magazine has alienated its audience. No wonder it's not doing well.

Helen, Thursday, 26 February 2004 04:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

I actually like Chuck Klosterman, he's really the only writer in Spin who has anything remotely interesting to say (even though he's often full of shit).

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 04:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

I would give him his own sports column if I were in charge. Only minor league hockey and baseball though. And indoor soccer. And lacrosse.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 04:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

I think he's a good writer, too, though I agree he's full of shit sometimes. But how can you not be when writing for Spin? It just happens. It would happen at Rolling Stone, Blender, whatever. Part of the job. I just think that he suffers the same dreaded image disease they all get when thrust into the NY scene, which I think is unfortunate about so many magazines these days.

Helen, Thursday, 26 February 2004 04:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

It is sad. They are all scared of their own shadows.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

I mean if you are gonna lose money anyway, why not make your magazine really good?

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

Does anyone have George Soro's phone number? I've got a proposition for him.(he likes russian teenagers, right?)

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

But what would make it good? Good in terms of reaching an audience while simultaneously pushing the boudaries created by current glossies? Or good meaning finding a niche and a genuinely passionate voice, even if it means obeying certain publishing conventions?

Helen, Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

Chuckie has a page in Esquire now, where he can write about whatever he wants. He's written about basketball there (or maybe it was GQ.)

The only reason I hang onto my subscription is because I keep hoping it will get better. But it's just not.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if a non-fashion magazine has a fashion spread multiple times a year, the moral compass is long gone.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

Wait a sec...I know these are people who could lose their jobs, so I don't mean to sound callous. No one wants anyone to lose their jobs or livelihood.

Helen, Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but you almost HAVE to have a fashion spread. No clothing companies will look at you for ad space until you do. It's the way of the game. Lame? Yes. Part of publishing? Unfortunatley.

Helen, Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

My comment was more about Scott's "they are all scared of their own shadows" watering-down, not a grammatical or stylistic complaint.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

What music magazines are good these days? I have no idea.

Debito (Debito), Thursday, 26 February 2004 05:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

I find the idea that it's "gotten" insular in the last two years sort of mystifying, if only because the typical non-music-geek complaing about Spin is that it's ALWAYS been insular. I mean, five years ago they were writing about turntablism and sound-boys, stuff that, for better or worse, is WAY more insular than rock bands with hooks and attractive frontpeople.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm not arguing insularity Andy, they're ambulance-chasing. And driving on the left.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

What's wrong with driving on the left? And I have to say I have no problem with music magazines subsidising their music section with fashion spreads (and the resulting ads), as long as the music section is unaffected. Better that than downgrading your music section by talking about inconsequential musicians in a trite way to bring in a broader audience.

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 07:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

I can't understand Chris Ott's posts on this thread at all.

Except he doesn't like brits?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 26 February 2004 10:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

SPIN used to be way more New York-ish, with more of a snobby attitude, sort of this subversive nature and snarky editorial that was more SPY than Rolling Stone. I miss that aspect; as SPIN has drifted more and more towards the mainstream, it has lost its sense of identity and verve. Without cheerleading the Strokes and the White Stripes on every issue, they'd barely be hip at all. And that feature where the artist names their influencial albums was a concept blatantly lifted from Blender. The elephant in the room here is that Blender is eating SPIN alive.

I fully understand that embracing "lifestyle" brings in the big advertising dollars (fashion), but in this case it has made the magazine much less enjoyable.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:22 (10 years ago) Permalink

Not-as-good-as-it-used-to-be it may be, but give me Spin over Rolling Stone ANY DAY of the week. You?

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

OTM

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 13:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

True, but you can say that about any magazine, give me O over Rolling Stone any day of the week.

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

I prefer Rolling Stone. Music coverage is equally bad in both, but Rolling Stone occasionally has interesting political features.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 14:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

Magazines suck.

Jasper Patches (Dating Ikea), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i agree about R.S. Rollong Stone's non-music reporting/coverage has always been its strong suit.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but seeing features on Toby Keith and DMB is just too depressing..

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

SPIN used to have some really great pieces in the back of the magazine about non-music stuff that were real eye-openers. I haven't seen any good ones lately. What irks me is how the staff has turned itself into celebrity figurines. I read the magazine thinking, "I feel too uncool to be reading this shit." And I'm a frickin writer. I imagine it's incredibly off-putting for some kid in her bedroom.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

Remember when Spin had like 10 features about how HIV and AIDS were not causally related? This was late 80s.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

Last time I read Spin, Guccione Jr was still at the helm, pimping John Mellencamp. So I guess Hank Rollins and Legs McNeil don't write for 'em anymore either?

I feel old.

doug watson (solid air), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

Well, they still have non-music features, like... "Friendster more addictive than crack!!!"

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Celia Farber's AIDS coverage was overall pretty impressive, especially considering the venue.

I agree with you Jeanne that the staff thing is getting annoying; Sia Michel's Letter From the Editor has been completely cloying from minute one (complete with all the "Look at me, I'm at the cool places with the cool people pictures") and the endless pimping of staff tomes is a chore. Spitz' gossip column is unbearable. But I still like the reviews quite a bit.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

SPIN needs to be put out of its misery. It hasn't mattered since about 1988.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:38 (10 years ago) Permalink

I think it's been even longer than that...

Jasper Patches (Dating Ikea), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

what did Sia Michel do before Spin? I had never heard of her until i saw her picture in Spin.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

She was a receptionist somewhere.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

Once SPIN lost Legs McNeil and John Leland it was all over (though I still like Klosterman).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

man, Spin hasn't mattered since 1972 when I was reading it

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

Don, all "letter from the editor" pieces in any given magazine are like that. It's sort of the purpose. But I know what you mean. The mag feels like a big Friendster publication or something.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

really? and then she became the editor in chief of Spin? cool.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

Jeanne otm there. "Letter from the Editor" pages are almost universally cringe-worthy (really wanna vomit? Read Alan Light's one from the debut issue of TRACKS).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 15:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

i still miss the old details. when it was just pictures of stephen saban on a couch with diane brill.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

and i still miss rock scene when it was just pictures of lisa robinson on the couch with joey ramone.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

How great would it be if Letter from the Editor *actually* portrayed what went on: "Motherfuckers in the mail room misplaced the press kit for the new Dinkie Bubble album so that fucked shit up royally. And don't get me started on motherfuckin' Hack McInkspot handing his review A WEEK LATE. Thanks, assmonger, it's not like we're on DEADLINE or anything..."

That would rule.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

the offensiveness of "Letter to the Editor" is nothing compared to the "Making Out with UltraGrrl". i just want to rip that page out every month and forcibly shove it down the throat ofd the next pseudo-hipster i see.

SPIN was a godsend for me in high school (1990-1994), living out on a farm in the middle of central Illinois. sure it wasn't all that subversive or underground, but to someone raised on country and Top 40 it was a whole new world. i still pick up an issue from time to time, mostly because it's more affordable than the import prices on the decent British mags. but i'm always wondering why.

jonviachicago, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hack McInkspot!! Ha Ha, i've got a new nom de plume. thanks, Jeanne!

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

It's true that most Letters From the Editor are unbearable, but I don't remember as many celebs-with-editor pictures as the Michel years have produced...maybe the Bobby Jr. years had the same thing but I can't remember anymore.

While we're on the subject of Tracks, I can't believe how lifeless and personality-free it is.

The UltraGrrl thing is awful. I'd forgotten about that.

Gawker calls Details "The gay magazine for straight men" or something like that. Classic.

don weiner, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

Sia does seem especially intent on telegraphing her celeb-compatibility. Still, Guccionne Jr. wasn't that different.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

Did Tracks just steal their whole idea for a magazine from Harp?

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

i agree about R.S. Rollong Stone's non-music reporting/coverage has always been its strong suit.

What? You mean the non-music journalism about the NYC guy with the biggest penis in the world or people who make living room speed and eat it until their teeth fall out?

I'd call it the white-trash beat for voyeurs but not hard-hitting or strong.

George Smith, Thursday, 26 February 2004 16:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

Spin.com had 679,000 mobile and desktop unique visitors in May, up 5% from a year ago, according to ComScore.

lol

le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 12 June 2014 20:58 (6 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

spin's reviews section is going away effective 8/31

maura, Monday, 18 August 2014 22:05 (4 months ago) Permalink

sounds about right

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 18 August 2014 22:05 (4 months ago) Permalink

oof

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 August 2014 22:05 (4 months ago) Permalink

:(

faghetti (fgti), Monday, 18 August 2014 22:08 (4 months ago) Permalink

so what will they be… doing?

j., Monday, 18 August 2014 22:44 (4 months ago) Permalink

LISTICLES!

Οὖτις, Monday, 18 August 2014 23:11 (4 months ago) Permalink

over ten years ago

da croupier, Monday, 18 August 2014 23:12 (4 months ago) Permalink

Their website is really making me sad.

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Monday, 18 August 2014 23:30 (4 months ago) Permalink

loooooool

markers, Monday, 18 August 2014 23:41 (4 months ago) Permalink

i don't really read music reviews tho

markers, Monday, 18 August 2014 23:41 (4 months ago) Permalink

6/10 I Miss Yous

ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 00:10 (4 months ago) Permalink

the only rating system that matters

markers, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 01:32 (4 months ago) Permalink

So Carl Wilson's going to be the senior critic for ten days?

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Thursday, 21 August 2014 22:34 (4 months ago) Permalink

this is the slowest drain. needs some liquid plumber...

scott seward, Thursday, 21 August 2014 23:32 (4 months ago) Permalink

x-post
senior critic in charge of listicles?

curmudgeon, Friday, 22 August 2014 19:50 (4 months ago) Permalink

senior criticle

j., Friday, 22 August 2014 19:58 (4 months ago) Permalink

Wonder if he knew what his status would be when he just left Slate...

curmudgeon, Saturday, 23 August 2014 14:42 (3 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

The only surprise here is that there are still 19 people left at Spin Media to fire.

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/media/2014/09/8552208/spin-media-lays-19-kills-emvibeem-print-edition

Position Position, Thursday, 11 September 2014 13:57 (3 months ago) Permalink

They have a lot of sites still! From their site:

SPIN Idolator Brooklyn Vegan Stereogum Gorilla vs Bear PureVolume Pretty Much Amazing XLR8R Buzznet Concrete Loop Alter The Press Absolute Punk Under The Gun Review Punk News PropertyOfZack Direct Lyrics Vibe Celebuzz The Frisky Celebslam Crunktastical Egotastic Fanpop Go Fug Yourself Pink is the New Blog Socialite Life The Superficial Videogum WWTDD

Although I guess they shut down Videogum so that list might be a bit out of date...

maura, Thursday, 11 September 2014 14:07 (3 months ago) Permalink

The Superficial and WWTDD payin' everybody else's salaries.

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 11 September 2014 14:11 (3 months ago) Permalink

Misogyny is a great business plan.

maura, Thursday, 11 September 2014 14:12 (3 months ago) Permalink

Phil knows that as well as anyone

, Thursday, 11 September 2014 14:20 (3 months ago) Permalink

Not really; I got laid off from my porn job almost a decade ago. My salary was too high. Sound familiar?

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 11 September 2014 14:32 (3 months ago) Permalink

Before the latest cuts:

Spin has been through multiple rounds of layoffs. In early 2013, the company reportedly had about 250 staffers. Its current headcount, Blackwell told Capital, is “just north of 120,” plus freelancers

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/media/2014/08/8550866/beleaguered-spin-medias-new-ceo-stephen-blackwell-lays-out-plan

curmudgeon, Thursday, 11 September 2014 14:55 (3 months ago) Permalink

http://www.spin.com/writers/carl-wilson/

Spin's review section for albums now being released may be gone, but Carl got to write about the new U2.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 11 September 2014 15:03 (3 months ago) Permalink

thank god there's somewhere we can go to read an old white dude write about U2

le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 11 September 2014 15:31 (3 months ago) Permalink

bozack horseman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 11 September 2014 16:58 (3 months ago) Permalink

Talking of U2 and old dudes, I notice Rolling Stone's obligatory five-star David Fricke review has been published. Didn't see that one coming.

Position Position, Thursday, 11 September 2014 17:07 (3 months ago) Permalink

you're gonna be an old white dude one day jordan

socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:05 (3 months ago) Permalink

is that track 4 of the new album?

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:08 (3 months ago) Permalink

to the tune of

bozack horseman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:32 (3 months ago) Permalink

So the claim to fame of Spin's current CEO, Stephen Blackwell, who dropped EIC Marks, is just having run website death and taxes

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:00 (3 months ago) Permalink

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/6251409/spinmedia-ceo-qa-with-stephen-blackwell

Who's going to fill the positions left by departing employees, like those from SPIN?

There had been changes in the workforce on a property-by-property basis. Acquisitions are delicate, and when there’s an acquisition, a lot of times that can lead to people leaving because values might change or missions might change. When I came here and looked at the scope of what our workforce is actually doing, we’ve got an incredible team here. We’re a little light on the editorial side in my opinion, so I'm treating our brands as best as I can; how do our brands function in the market and with our audiences. The way that I’m building the team back up is with a focus on that, and making sure we have an agreeable split between how many editors and people not on editorial. We’ll be hiring eventually for people to fill those positions, and creating new positions.

maura, Thursday, 18 September 2014 02:17 (3 months ago) Permalink

a staff of three people seems light, yeah

snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 18 September 2014 02:21 (3 months ago) Permalink

tbf lots of places are lax about updating their About pages: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.spin.com/about/

katherine, Thursday, 18 September 2014 02:30 (3 months ago) Permalink

Carl Wilson back at Slate too.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 September 2014 02:41 (3 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

the extended spin joke running through tonight's SOUTH PARK was pretty fun

maura, Thursday, 9 October 2014 03:13 (2 months ago) Permalink

wow what was that???

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 October 2014 03:21 (2 months ago) Permalink


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