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This prob. isn't quite what you're looking for Dr.C, but I love the fact that the Bill Black Combo continued to tour until the late 1980s despite the fact that Black (Elvis P's first bass player) died of a brain tumour in 1965! And isn't the 'Geno Washington' who still plays in the UK a 'fake' (ie not the original) Geno?

Andrew L, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh! Oh! GONG!!!!

Am I right? By Gazeuse (1978), they surely only had one orig.member: Didier Malherbe.

Perhaps they still have him: did they not release something this year?

(It's a big old synchronistic BB at the moment, y'know: Strawbs, Gong, Santana (tarden dissed him just after I'd decided not to send a post w.an actually mighty dull me+Manzanera+Sanata anecdote, a self-censoring impulse I shd respect more often perhaps)

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Soft Machine and Gong, as mentioned previously.

Fairport Convention, by the mid 70s, though nowadays they have Simon Nicol back on the roster.

Renaissance- In between the second album ("Illusion") and the third album ("Prologue"), the entire personnel of the band changed. Though strangely, their sound remained pretty much intact.

Art Zoyd started out with a completely different line-up (and different sound) than they are known for nowadays.

Joe, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It could be that The Residents have no original band members left, but we'll never know, will we?

X. Y. Zedd, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

2 Unlimited was relaunched somewhere in 1997 with two girl singers instead of the inimitable Ray & Anita. The Belgian producers own the name. This new 2 Unlimited was, of course, a failure...

JoB, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The Sonics come to mind (I'm not sure if they lost all of their original members though - can anybody back me up here?). They went from the garage band that wrote "The Witch" to a soft 1960's easy listening band. The progression is documented in the Rhino disc "Fire and Ice" I think.

Paul Barclay, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Fairport after Simon Nicol's initial departure came to mind, yes. I think he's the only original member who's been in the band *regularly* for something like 30 years ...

Hmmm, haven't the Temptations made records in later years with, at best, only one original member, maybe even none? Some of these 60s groups like the Searchers, Fortunes et al who still play nostalgia tours come to mind, and I think Gareth's right about the Drifters.

Robin Carmody, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Actually, as the MM was going shit in 1997, one of their hacks proclaimed that there were, by then, more original members left in Fairport Convention than there were in James. By those criteria there'd have had to be *no* original members in James, since Fairport only had one ... I find that *very* hard to believe.

Robin Carmody, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

GONG, duh obviously, i was just talking about them & everything.
someone said the Drifters, yeah I saw a "Drifters" at the Bay Carnival in Timaru (prestigious gig!) that was all guys who i bet wren't even born when most of the Drifters hits came out. I think this is kind of a standard deal with lotsa black vocal groups of the '50s & '60s, there'd be (still is) 2 or even more touring versions of the group. Goes way back 'cause in the days before TV it was a standard scam to send out "impostor" artists on tour 'cause nobody knew what the guys who made the record looked like anyway. (also, there was a "impostor" lineup of Fleetwood Mac touring the USA in the '70s 'cause they split with their manager so he just employed a whole new band.)
Someone asked about the Sonics - yeah i believe that happened w/ them (complete lineup turnover) & then there was a new fake Sonics a couple years later where the singer from the orig. band got all new guys...that happens lots (backing band minus singer keeps name/singer + new backing group does same - 2 claimants to name in existence simultaneously).
I'd like to do a counterfeit band just as, y'know, an art thing , i mean not for the money, just sort of a prank...get a band together & claim to be some 1-hit '60s or '70s band & book shows in small town pubs. It'd be cool if it was really obvious that there were people in the group who woulda been like 2 yrs old when the record came out, & we'd just do their famous hit (play it 1st & then encore with it) & a bunch of completely randomly selected songs by other people...if you had a convincing-seeming "manager" act when you booked the shows i reckon you'd get away with it... i don't know , i'd just find it really funny. Who could we claim to be tho'? I just haven't thought of the exact right "complete no-count but everybody's vaguely heard of them" kind of group yet...

duane, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The best imposter story, tho, is this one that prestigious orcs like the MOSCOW SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA have discovered themselves in these post-soviet times to e.g. be touring Taiwan, Indonesia, Singapore, blah blah, courtesy enterprising yet scoundrelly unemployed Russian musicians, to sell-out houses and great reviews and acclaim.

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

anyway mark, what is yr "boring" story? how could anything with Devadipshit Carlos S. in it be BORING, c'mon.

duane, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

let me guess - you & manzanera jammed w/ carlos on a 3-hour version of "A Love Supreme".

duane, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Napalm Death

Kodanshi, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

four months pass...
Did Pink Floyd record anything in the 80's or 90's with only Gilmour and session men? I'm thinking of the period where Wright was out of the band - possibly Mason too for a short while? If so, they'd qualify, since Gilmour wasn't in the original band.

Dr. C, Sunday, 11 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I wrote a long article for New Times Los Angeles about this phenomenon a few years ago--currently offline, sorry--but I can add to this list: Molly Hatchet, Christian Death, TSOL, Renaissance.

And, of course, after the Yardbirds lost all their original members, a guitarist who'd joined shortly before the end booked a tour as the New Yardbirds. But then they changed their name to Led Zeppelin.

Douglas, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Haven't Napalm Death had three completely distinct line ups by now?

RickyT, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Missed an obvious one - Dr. Feelgood! Since Lee Brilleaux's death in 1994 they have had no original members.

Dr.C, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Didn't the hair metal band Krokus also have no original members left by the late eighties? And IIRC, no one in the band at that time knew why they had named themselves Krokus, either.

Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
The Flying Burrito Brothers at various points in the '80's and '90's had no original members. Quiet Riot by 1988 had no original members either. But the Velvet Underground "Squeeze" album is really very good. For more info on the album pleasecheck out my website http://community-2.webtv.net/SqyueezetheVU/Squeezewebsite/

Sean Schafron, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The Icky Boyfriends, as witnessed on the shockingly true documentary "I'm Not Fascinating". Fucking sell outs.

Brian MacDonald, Thursday, 10 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two months pass...
how about one of the worst bands of all time, Journey.

doug thomas, Tuesday, 19 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
The Flying Burrito Brothers and Poco certainly had lineups with no original members; fleetwood mac was pretty damn near that stage once or twice in their careers ...

greg antoniono, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sylvester and Jayne County come to mind.

scott woods, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

ha!

J Blount, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

with the departure of clarinetist/dj/founding member neil middleton, the tom cruise missile now has no original members.

fields of salmon, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

That would be Wendy Carlos and Jayne County, wouldn't it, Scott?

Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, I stand corrected. Sylvester, to my knowledge, never actually lost a member...in fact, not even sure about Jayne, come to think about it. Anybody know? I won't sleep until I find out.

s woods, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
Not long ago, there was a fake Frankie Goes to Hollywood touring sports bars across the U.S. Not only were none of the original members involved, but none of the faux-Frankies had anything whatsoever to do with the original band - they just hijacked the name and ran with it. They disappeared shortly after _Spin_ ran an expose.

mike a, Thursday, 18 March 2004 22:35 (twenty years ago) link

The Harlem Globetrotters?

Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 18 March 2004 23:32 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
The Real Milli Vanilli

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 16 July 2006 22:36 (seventeen years ago) link

The Grass Roots had three completely different lineups.

Matt Golden (goldmatt), Sunday, 16 July 2006 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Morning Musume

Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Monday, 17 July 2006 00:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Split Enz, circa 1984.

LC (Damian), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 00:08 (seventeen years ago) link

PREDICTION: Next year, John Stirratt will leave Wilco, citing "creative difference." Shortly afterwards, Jeff Tweedy will fire himself.

Faithful Shooter (faithfulshooter), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Ol' Dirty Bastard

turtledoveDIES! (turtledoveDIES!), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Deerhoof - started as a Rob Fisk solo bass project

autovac (autovac), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

The Supremes are still touring, aren't they?

Obviously, there is no Florence Ballard in the lineup. Neither is there a Diana Ross. And I am pretty sure Mary Wilson isn't in the band either.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 22:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Ain't there also some sorta Yardbirds doin' nostalgic rounds somewhere still?
Well they were a few years ago at least, right?
What's the personnel, though...

t**t, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 00:07 (sixteen years ago) link

I think the current Yardbirds have Chris Dreja and Jim McCarty, and Mary Wilson tours as "The Supremes featuring Mary Wilson."

C. Grisso/McCain, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Did Pink Floyd record anything in the 80's or 90's with only Gilmour and session men?

a momentary lapse of reason was gilmour and session folks, with wright not playing anything at all on the record (he wasn't reinstated to full band member status until during or possibly after the ensuing tour), and nick mason only playing tom-toms on one track. so yeah, that counts. as "no original members," i mean. it certainly doesn't count as pink floyd.

Lawrence the Looter, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 00:15 (sixteen years ago) link

But the Velvet Underground "Squeeze" album is really very good.

and maureen tucker toured with doug's vu for a bit.

best story about the post-reed vu: they're playing in a bar in nyc, and after their set david bowie strikes up a conversation with yule. about halfway through yule realizes bowie has mistaken him for lou reed. bowie takes a lot longer to pick up on his mistake, though.

Lawrence the Looter, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 00:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Deep Purple's come close. Ian Paice is the only original member in the current line-up (WTF happened to Jon Lord?)

C. Grisso/McCain, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 00:20 (sixteen years ago) link

No Roger Glover either, then?

t**t, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 00:21 (sixteen years ago) link

He replaced Nick Simper, who plays on "Hush" and "Kentucky Woman" amongst other early trax.

C. Grisso/McCain, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 00:22 (sixteen years ago) link

O darn, of course.

t**t, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 00:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Deep Purple members

Apparently Lord has been out since 2002.

C. Grisso/McCain, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 00:24 (sixteen years ago) link

The Gizmos!!!

Really kind of a fascinating evolution from the obscene Kenne Highland-led 70's rock zine geeks into the Dale Lawrence-led poppy punky songsters.

sleeve, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 00:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Although The Brotherhood of Man have retained the same line-up since "Save Your Kisses For Me" in 1976, none of the members were in the original 1970 "United We Stand" line-up.

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 10:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Also, the Three Degrees lost their last original member (Fayette Pinkney) in 1976.

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 10:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes, current Yardbirds line-up has McCarty and Dreja. Until a couple of years ago they had former Dr. Feelgood guitarist Gypie Mayo too - see upthread for Dr. Feelgood info.

Dr.C, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 10:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Deep Purple is one bizarre gardening accident away from qualifying.

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Deep Purple is one bizarre gardening accident away from qualifying

So is Styx. JY Young is the only guy left from the beginning.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 22:52 (sixteen years ago) link

someone said the Drifters, yeah I saw a "Drifters" at the Bay Carnival in Timaru (prestigious gig!) that was all guys who i bet wren't even born when most of the Drifters hits came out. I think this is kind of a standard deal with lotsa black vocal groups of the '50s & '60s

well, yeah, but that's not why the drifters are all the all-time most successful version of this phenomenon. the drifters who had all those classic pop hits in the late '50s and early '60s shared no members with the drifters who had all those scorching r&b hits in the early '50s, though they were the same group.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 15 November 2007 17:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Thin Lizzy, I think.

steampig67, Saturday, 17 November 2007 14:37 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

I was about to say Moody Blues, but Graeme Edge was in the original lineup, so they don't apply.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 14 February 2008 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Glen Miller's Orchestra still exists, doesn't it?

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 21:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Indeed it does!

our work is never over, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 21:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Sensational Alex Harvey Band still tour

Herman G. Neuname, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 21:32 (sixteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

The Pipettes now have no original members.

everything, Friday, 5 December 2008 01:14 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.labnews.co.uk/cms_images/Image/Feb_pics/58-DEC.gif

country matters, Friday, 5 December 2008 01:33 (fifteen years ago) link

Could there ever be a Fall album without MES?

Probably not...

milling through the grinder, grinding through the mill (S-), Friday, 5 December 2008 02:05 (fifteen years ago) link

The Pipettes now have no original members

except for the musicians, amirite?

venkman boners are totally canon (sic), Friday, 5 December 2008 10:15 (fifteen years ago) link

The current incarnation of The Sweet has no original members, but one of them was in the early 70s line-up.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Friday, 5 December 2008 10:18 (fifteen years ago) link

OK, the prize here goes to :

"Les Gray's Mud"

Which has no original members of Mud, not even Les Gray.

Mark G, Friday, 5 December 2008 10:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Chris Squire better beware gardening mishaps too.

Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 5 December 2008 10:59 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

OK, the prize here goes to :

"Les Gray's Mud"

Which has no original members of Mud, not even Les Gray.

Haha, that's magnificent.

Surely it's only a matter of time before Keisha goes solo and the Sugababes get another new girl in?

Chris in Belfast, Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Les Gray's dead, so he's not working much these days. Les Gray's Mud is a bit like Taggart then.

Queueing For Latchstrings (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:46 (fifteen years ago) link

I think The Poets (as in the 60s Scottish band) put out several records with completely different line-ups

Queueing For Latchstrings (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:47 (fifteen years ago) link

They did. I think they changed completely between 64/65 (I am So Blue, Thats The Way It's Got To Be-era) and Wooden Spoon in 1967. Then there might have been another early 70's version with a new set of members IIRC. They were a great band, whatever!

Dr.C, Thursday, 26 February 2009 16:32 (fifteen years ago) link

six months pass...

Surely it's only a matter of time before Keisha goes solo and the Sugababes get another new girl in?
― Chris in Belfast, Thursday, 26 February 2009 13:31 (6 months ago)

EERIE PRESCIENCE.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 10:27 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't think it was that eerie, considering their history! "inevitable", maybe.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 10:32 (fourteen years ago) link

The only acts I can think of who have charted in the UK with completely different line-ups: Brotherhood Of Man and Tight Fit. Such illustrious company!

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:02 (fourteen years ago) link

England World Cup Squad - Back Home (1970), This Time (1986)

Peinlich Manoeuvre (NickB), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link

hoping that Ralf will leave Kraftwerk and be replaced

unban dictionary (blueski), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Still waiting for Wolfgang Flur's Kraftwerk to start doing the rounds

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:09 (fourteen years ago) link

how the fuck is taht even possible? i mean, ffs, keisha was the last original member and they edged HER out?!? i think they (the ex members) should hook up and form another band

Nathalie (stevienixed), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 13:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Napalm Death is kind of like the Ship of Theseus - none of the current members were in the original line-up, but it's still fundamentally the same band, is it not?

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Tuesday, 22 September 2009 14:21 (fourteen years ago) link

^not if you ask certain of the original Napalm Death guys, especially Nic Bullen

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 14:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Edison Lighthouse had a completely different line-up between "Love Grows Where My Rosemary Grows" and the lesser-known, but still charting follow-up "It's Up To You Petula".

everything, Wednesday, 23 September 2009 23:13 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

P.M. Dawn - now a solo act featuring no original members of the duo

robocop last year was a 'shop (sic), Monday, 3 October 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link

seven years pass...

Not long ago, there was a fake Frankie Goes to Hollywood touring sports bars across the U.S. Not only were none of the original members involved, but none of the faux-Frankies had anything whatsoever to do with the original band - they just hijacked the name and ran with it. They disappeared shortly after _Spin_ ran an expose.
― mike a, Thursday, March 18, 2004 5:35 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is fascinating! I just read the SPIN article. choice quote:

."New Frankie manager Harris, whose other clients include "The Great Regurgitator", and a man who can fart to the tune of "How Much is that Doggy in the Window?", had the chutzpah to send Nash a "cease and decessit (sic)" email, demanding he stop saying slanderous, malicious, or harmful remarks."

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 13 January 2019 17:04 (five years ago) link

mormon tabernacle choir

Karl Malone, Sunday, 13 January 2019 17:06 (five years ago) link

The current lineup of Dr. Feelgood has no original members...despite the fact that three of the original four are still alive.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 13 January 2019 20:13 (five years ago) link

No founding members of Judas Priest remained by the time the band recorded its first single.

Vast Halo, Sunday, 13 January 2019 21:39 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

Was just looking at the wiki for The Grass Roots, and almost everyone in their current lineup joined in the '80s. The sole exception, their singer/bassist, joined in 2008.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 27 December 2021 04:44 (two years ago) link

Tangerine Dream

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Monday, 27 December 2021 08:31 (two years ago) link

Thin Lizzy, I think.

― steampig67, Saturday, 17 November 2007 14:37 (fourteen years ago)

Yup, Brian Downey subsequently rejoined them but left in 2013.

Dan Worsley, Monday, 27 December 2021 10:26 (two years ago) link

Gong update: the longest-serving member of the current line-up joined in 2007, and rejoined in 2012. The longest continually serving member joined in 2009.

mike t-diva, Monday, 27 December 2021 10:47 (two years ago) link

Tangerine Dream and Gong are both unusual in that the founder member of each gave their blessing / encouraged them to continue after they had died and both are also pretty good live entities despite having no original members. Steve Hillage also sometimes still plays with Gong.

stirmonster, Monday, 27 December 2021 11:41 (two years ago) link

Yes haven’t been mentioned on this thread yet; they haven’t had any permanent original members since Chris Squire died in 2015, although Tony Kaye did some guest live dates with them in 2018-19.

mike t-diva, Monday, 27 December 2021 14:27 (two years ago) link

Yes at least have members who played on their best-known albums, even if they weren't there from the start. Some of these others are more like official tribute acts.

they must have what you'd call some kind of 'arrangement' (Matt #2), Monday, 27 December 2021 14:33 (two years ago) link

yeah, there's a difference between having no original members and having nobody from the classic lineup. for example, some people decry Morbid Angel's current incarnation as being a sham. It's not because it only has one original member (that was the case by the time their first album came out). but because it only has one of the three members of the classic lineup of Vincent/Sandoval/Azagthoth.

hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Monday, 27 December 2021 14:46 (two years ago) link

one year passes...
seven months pass...

#onethread

After the group undertook a promotional tour to support the album Twelve Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus, Ferguson and Andes left the group, forming Jo Jo Gunne. California had accused them of plotting to take over the group. Their final gig with Spirit occurred on January 30, 1971, which almost ended with a fist-fight.

John Arliss initially took Andes' place. California was still in the lineup, but he had suffered a head injury from a horse riding accident and was unable to tour. Shortly thereafter, bassist and recent University of Texas School of Law graduate Al Staehely was recruited by Locke and Cassidy to replace Arliss. The trio toured briefly before deciding that they had to add a guitarist to do the music justice. Al's brother, John Christian (Chris) Staehely, auditioned for the band and was quickly brought on board, departing the Texas rock group Krackerjack.

The Staehelys, Cassidy and Locke recorded the 1972 album Feedback in Columbia/Epic's Hollywood studios. It was a different turn for the group, showing more of a country rock influence pervading their jazzier tendencies, but it only met with a mild commercial response, also reaching No. 63 in the charts. While the tour for Feedback proceeded very well for much of that year, Cassidy and Locke lacked an affinity for roots-based music and soon left the lineup. The Staehely brothers completed the critically successful tour with drummer Stu Perry before dissolving the group in mid-1973 and releasing their own album, Sta-Hay-Lee.

Imagine being stoked to see Spirit in 1973, and then getting pissed at the show because the bald guy wasn't on stage.


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