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You know, I had to read "The Sublime Object of Ideology" for a class, and I totally have forgotten all of it. But I'm a dummy. So. That's pretty much expected.

mandee, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

He's a silly old bore who won't shut up.

the pinefox, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Hi PF, how ya been?

Mandee, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Pinefox I still love you!

Josh, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Quoth Nathan: Mind you, his article in the latest London Review of Books was a bit pisspoor.

This is about all I've read by Zizek, who my Derridean prof brother calls 'a nutter'. But I thought it was pretty good. I welcome anyone who helps me think freshly about subjects, especially when they introduce new (or revived, freshly contextualised) concepts. The Zizek piece in the LRB has several:

Homo Sacer: 'It designated, in ancient Roman law, someone who could be killed with impunity and whose death had, for the same reason, no sacrificial value. Today, as a term denoting exclusion, it can be seen to apply not only to terrorists, but also to those who are on the receiving end of humanitarian aid'.

(In other words, people seen as having diminished responsibility, adult children who can be either tortured or aided by states seeing themselves as the embodiment of rationality. To bring it closer to home, Mr Barley, compare the TV Go Home joke about TV producers who treat their audiences as 'homo sacer'.)

Einbildungskraft: Zizek brings this from Kant by way of Carl Schmidt. of substance, in a formless, infinite plasticity.) ''Enemy recognition' is always a performative procedure which brings to light/constructs the enemy's 'true face'.'

Capitonnage: Borrowed from Lacan, literally the 'quilting point'. Zizek uses it as a term for 'the operation by means of which we identify/construct a sole agency that 'pulls the strings' behind a multitude of opponents.'

'Thus Stalinism in the 1930s constructed the agency of Imperialist Monopoly Capital to prove that Fascists and Social Democrats ('Social Fascists') are 'twin brothers', the 'left and right hand of monopoly capital'. Thus Nazism constructed the 'plutocratic- Bolshevik plot' as the common agent threatening the welfare of the German nation.

And thus, Zizek contends, we are now seeing a spurious grouping of greens with terrorists in the minds of some American commentators and politicians.

This is a pretty rich haul of rather interesting ideas for one article, it seems to me, and quite the opposite of, for instance, the technique and politics of Garry Wills' piece about pedophile priests, which dismissed a lot of progressive-liberal thinking on the subject based on a use (rather than a discussion) of these techniques:

Capitonnage: Wills, like a politician, wanted to show that there was a liberal- pedophile plot, thus stringing together his two opponents, corrupt clerics and 'permissives'.

Homo Sacer: He also treated the priests themselves like 'homo sacer', people of diminished responsibility, insisting on their 'infantilization' -- in his argument, by their mothers. But, seen through the lens of

'Einbildungskraft', by the performative procedure of his own characterisation of them).

I guess this makes Wills a politician, and Zizek a thinker. Although, interestingly, Zizek ran as a presidential candidate in the Slovenian elections. So I suppose they're both politicians, but one (Zizek) is making up his ideology as he goes, showing all working, the other (Wills) using a prefab ideology (Catholicism).

Momus, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

...et en avant la Zizek!

The Hegemon, Friday, 31 May 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Article ain't bad, tho it gives too much power to what most ppl (even those supporting resultant policy choices) recognize as very very stupid logic.

Sterling Clover, Friday, 31 May 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

"Momus, like a politician, wanted to show that Wills was a homophobe" etc etc

mark s, Friday, 31 May 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

but i wd rather eat my arm than reread that article or re-explain to you why you're still not reading it properly or fairly

mark s, Friday, 31 May 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Damn, I thought we were going to have some hot fun tonight with that one. Oh well, might as well go out and swing.

Momus, Friday, 31 May 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

i'm going to see le tigre tonight

mark s, Friday, 31 May 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

They'll braise and eat Mark's arm for him?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 May 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Momus is playing in Denver on June 28th. Should I go?

Mandee, Friday, 31 May 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Was also the day when Chesterfield wuz robbed in the FA Cup Semi- final in 1997. Memories...

*sobs* a lot

I'd tried to erase that day from my memory, thanks a lot Barley!!!

chris, Friday, 31 May 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

To Mandee -- yes, go. It should be a fun show and I'm interested in seeing his stable of artistes. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 May 2002 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...
well, it's interesting, anyway.

zizek is a leninist, a means-to-an-ends kind of guy, so his stance here is unexpected.

of 24: "It is here that we encounter the series' ideological lie: in spite of the CTU's ruthlessness, its agents, especially Bauer, are warm human beings - loving, caught in the emotional dilemmas of ordinary people."

which begs the question: well, can't ruthless people also be loving fathers? s/z's answer is:

"As Arendt says, the fact that they are able to retain any normality while committing such acts is the ultimate confirmation of moral depravity."

i can't help finding his paradoxes (and there are umpteen more in the article) a bit fortune cookie. isn't the ultimate confirmation of moral depravity the morally depraved act itself? likewise, do we need his thoughts on 'why is cheney telling us this' -- isn't the fact of torture enough?


Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 09:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...
i think it's really that everything in zizek's universe fits together -- does he believe in some idea of 'totality'? the paradoxes are only possible because the terms are 'equal' in some way. anyway, i suppose i don't think everything fits together.

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Monday, 3 April 2006 10:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

I think the article makes sense but zizek is almost totally naturalised for me now. I'm not sure if he thinks that the above are paradoxes as such. Although it's typical of his taste for everything dialectical (real-dialectical or fake-dialectial) to construct what appear to be paradoxes.

But the main point is fairly straightforward. The means-to-an-end argument, when it comes to torture, boils down to "do what you need to do, then pay the price later." But by implying that torture has no price for those who practice it, legal or emotional, 24 to some extent moves the issue beyond mere means-to-an-end - there's no longer any moral balancing going on at all. It simply becomes "this is what we do." Torture becomes unfortunate but no longer morally troubling. The notion that this somehow goes to a person's guilt and depravity is popularly accepted in the entrenchment of the consideration of remorse as a mitigating factor in sentencing for crimes.

It's basically the same argument w/r/t Cheney openly justifying what was formerly tacitly permitted: this does violence to the notion that there is a price to be paid for these actions, that there is a price that should be paid. The point is not merely to bring formerly hidden acts out into the open, but to disrupt and overturn the systems of understandings that necessitated the acts be hidden. A government which has to hide its torture is one which submits to the notion that, strictly speaking, what is being done is wrong. And there is always the possibility that the torture will be publicly exposed, resulting in loss of face and power for the ruling government.

The hiding at least pays lipservice to the notion that what is happening is morally reprehensible (as Mac says on Commander In Chief, "I don't want to hear that he was tortured"). What is changed in publicly announcing the use of torture is not necessarily the seriousness of the acts of torture committed (which, perhaps in the short-term, does not increase), but the system of morality within which that act is situated, and the system of power relationships. The Government says "you can no longer hold your avowed distaste for torture over me"; if the public does nothing at this stage, it effectively acknowledges "I accept your use of the torture as morally defensible."

I think that the ramifications for "society" in this are pretty huge, and that it's therefore right for Zizek to argue that the consideration of the moral depravity of an act can go beyond the act itself and extend to how it is framed in discourse.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 April 2006 13:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

tim the point about zizek being naturalized is nice -- i feel the same way. like the sort of category work and relationships he works with are pretty much integrated into how i look at things by now so i get much less out of reading more of him.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 3 April 2006 14:21 (8 years ago) Permalink

isn't that really because he's extremely repetitive? it's fairly easy to naturalize someone who runs a lacan script on everything he comes across.

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Monday, 3 April 2006 14:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

"tim the point about zizek being naturalized is nice -- i feel the same way. like the sort of category work and relationships he works with are pretty much integrated into how i look at things by now so i get much less out of reading more of him. "

I wouldn't go that far because I haven't really gotten to the "make your own zizekian argument" stage. But yeah his stuff (esp. these sorts of arguments) feels very familiar now, you sort of know where it's going immediately.

Yeah he is very repetitive, and not just in terms of overall approach but in terms of specific detail - the analogy of the husband and the wife who have the tacit agreement w/r/t his infidelity is in half a dozen other books by him. For me it's really all about the world-building of the first two big books (The Sublime Object and For They Know Not What They Do).

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 April 2006 14:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

one thing i like tho is how sometimes when he revisits the same things (parsifal, etc) you can tell he's thought more and added new nuances and twists since the last time he wrote about them.

(of course, he also coasts in other things too, but then that's more an element of not seeing himself as a "theoretician" so much as a sort of gadfly polemicist)

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 3 April 2006 15:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yeah that's right. It was really annoying last year when I was writing my big essay on him and I'd have this vague memory of him phrasing something really perfectly (w/r/t, oh I dunno, why lukacs secretly rocks or something) and having to laboriously reread through seven different pieces on the exact same topic to try to find that precise phrase.

But cool that he'd thought enough about it to come up with that one perfect phrase.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 April 2006 15:21 (8 years ago) Permalink

as far as the thinking his way thing it doesn't happen to me all the time but i rememeber, e.g., watching pirates of the carribean and just instictively "reading" it in terms of a circuit of tokens and a few other times too -- also happened to me with pump up the volume. more frequent when i've read/thought about him recently, of course.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 3 April 2006 15:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
I just started the Routlegde Critical Thinkers: Zizek.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Saturday, 13 May 2006 14:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n08/letters.html

excellent combination of bad faith and projection, well done.

banriquit, Saturday, 19 April 2008 12:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

it would be kind of interesting to see him deploy that argument w/r/t palestine though, also not an independent state pre-1948, etc etc etc

banriquit, Saturday, 19 April 2008 12:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

I agree that he is too understanding of China's policies, but I thought this paragraph was spot-on:

One of the main reasons so many people in the West participate in the protests against China is ideological: Tibetan Buddhism, deftly propagated by the Dalai Lama, is one of the chief points of reference for the hedonist New Age spirituality that has become so popular in recent times. Tibet has become a mythic entity onto which we project our dreams. When people mourn the loss of an authentic Tibetan way of life, it isn’t because they care about real Tibetans: what they want from Tibetans is that they be authentically spiritual for us, so that we can continue playing our crazy consumerist game. ‘Si vous êtes pris dans le rêve de l’autre,’ Gilles Deleuze wrote, ‘vous êtes foutu.’ The protesters against China are right to counter the Beijing Olympic motto – ‘One World, One Dream’ – with ‘One World, Many Dreams’. But they should be aware that they are imprisoning Tibetans in their own dream.

There are other peoples the Chinese central government has oppressed as well, such as the Uyghurs, but since they don't have evoke similar imagery in Westerners as the Tibetans do, and don't have a charismatic leader like the Dalai Lama, they are mostly ignored. (Also, the Uyghurs happen to be mostly muslims, which of course makes them less likely to get much Western support.)

Tuomas, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

it would be kind of interesting to see him deploy that argument w/r/t palestine though, also not an independent state pre-1948, etc etc etc

The difference is, though, that the Israeli government has done little if nothing to develop the Palestinian areas. I'm not trying to defend China here, but the two situations aren't that easily comparable.

Tuomas, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

oh that bit about new-age hippies was what i meant by 'projection'; i suppose it might be true of some people who are actively pro-tibet, but most people seem to be against the occupation on more liberal grounds. just as many people who broadly support the palestinian cause might not be so keen on hamas.

zizek doesn't actually advance any evidence of this syndrome, anyway:

When people mourn the loss of an authentic Tibetan way of life, it isn’t because they care about real Tibetans: what they want from Tibetans is that they be authentically spiritual for us, so that we can continue playing our crazy consumerist game.

is just a standard zizek-y paradox. i'm sure he's used it before, conjoining it with the line from 'to be or not to be'; "the poles do the camping, we do the concentrating."

i'm not saying palestine corresponds with tibet 1:1, but zizek's take on it is likely to be 180 degress from his take here -- namely that the occupier is right, and the vocal support for a religio-nationalist cause is wrong.

banriquit, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

Tibetan Buddhism, deftly propagated by the Dalai Lama, is one of the chief points of reference for the hedonist New Age spirituality that has become so popular in recent times.

This is bullshit as regards specifically Tibetan Buddhism, which strikes me as being way too particularist to offer much to New Age thinking. The Dalai Lama's charisma and media savvy has done far more to keep Tibet in the public consciousness of Western liberals. I'm also pretty sure that a lot of anti-Chinese government protests are grounded in issues other than Tibet. Amnesty's campaigns are one obvious example.

Noodle Vague, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

Plenty of Stalin apologists argued that he was only liquidating horrible reactionaries, too.

Noodle Vague, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yes to the Dalai Lama's media profile keeping it in public consciousness - linked to strong idea of Tibet as a separate occupied country, a profile that abkhazia, dagestan, kurdistan, don't have - kosovo being the anomaly here (but western govts wanted kosovar independence, rather than western people - so a bit of a red herring?)

Aren't Uyghar's in a minority in Xianjiang?

laxalt, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

laxalt, by that i'm guessing you think none of these countries deserve independence? pretty blatantly in the case of kosovo.

banriquit, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

bringing the opinion of 'western people' is a huge red herring, really, but i'd have thought those western people who have heard of kosovo will generally recall why its independence from serbia could be seen as a good thing for the people of kosovo.

banriquit, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

No that isn't what I mean. (also wether Western Govt's wanted Kosovar independence or not shouldn't make that independence any more or less desirable per se)

I'm not suggesting any of these countries either deserve or don't deserve independence (just that western policy towards Kosovo was unusual as the usual state of affairs is to preseve integrity of the nation state).

Its more that I was trying to suggest that Tibet has a higher profile as an actual occupied state in western minds, whereas the others are probably thought of as regions - and that itself must be at least partially responsible for pro-Tibetan feeling in the west.

laxalt, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

Surely one of the Kosovans' core claims to independence is that Kosova corresponds to what a nation-state is supposed to be?

Noodle Vague, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

Its more that I was trying to suggest that Tibet has a higher profile as an actual occupied state in western minds, whereas the others are probably thought of as regions - and that itself must be at least partially responsible for pro-Tibetan feeling in the west.

yeah, undeniably. though again: palestine is fairly prominent in the west. those other places barely even register as names, kurdistan excepted. i think there's some kind of insinuation threaded through this line -- i don't know what it is exactly, but my main reaction is 'so what?'

western policy towards Kosovo was unusual as the usual state of affairs is to preseve integrity of the nation state

greater serbia wasn't a nation state. plus the west had been operating in the former yugoslavia pre-1999. plus it was the west (germany) that encouraged its break-up.

banriquit, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm curious as to why Zizek is someone you guys read/talk about? Is he someone you read in school, and if so in what course of study? Or is he a big public intellectual in the UK or Australia or somewhere, and in those places public intellectuals are taken seriously? I'm just ignorant but curious, not trying to be snarky.

Euler, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm curious as to why Zizek is someone you guys read/talk about? Is he someone you read in school, and if so in what course of study? Or is he a big public intellectual in the UK or Australia or somewhere, and in those places public intellectuals are taken seriously? I'm just ignorant but curious, not trying to be snarky.

-- Euler, Saturday, April 19, 2008 2:52 PM (7 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

he's definitely a prominent public intellectual -- ie he doesn't just address a specialist philosophy audience. (there is a q-mark over what his specialism is, perhaps.)

there've been about four films made about him, he gets new yorker profiles done on him, he gets into the LRB, guardian, etc, and he publishes a lot.

he's achieved this mostly post-9/11 and i was at uni before then and anyway he doesn't have much to say on my subject (history).

as for public intellectuals being taken seriously -- britain has often perceived itself as not giving intellectuals their due, in comparison with france where they alledgedly have a bigger public profile.

banriquit, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

What do you mean by greater serbia?

laxalt, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

yugoslavia

banriquit, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

- croatia

banriquit, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

xxxpost

Yeah, the French version of Play Your Cards Right was hosted by Louis Althusser.

Noodle Vague, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

in that case, i agree Yugoslavia, like USSR not a nation state

but kosovo was part of Serbia, not part of Yugoslavia. Same reason Estonias independence a different matter to, say, Dagestans, no?

laxalt, Saturday, 19 April 2008 13:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

He also was on the DVD of _Children of Men_, and made me realize that I did not in fact like _Children of Men_.

Eppy, Saturday, 19 April 2008 14:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the French version of Play Your Cards Right was hosted by Louis Althusser.

-- Noodle Vague, Saturday, April 19, 2008 2:59 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

well this is the thing. but the received opinion is that french intellectuals had a nicer time of it.

but kosovo was part of Serbia, not part of Yugoslavia. Same reason Estonias independence a different matter to, say, Dagestans, no?

-- laxalt, Saturday, April 19, 2008 2:59 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

i don't think this is a very fruitful way to look at this issue -- comparatively, from the outside, but also using unchanging categories like 'serbia' and 'kosovo', and indeed 'nation-state'. "kosovo was part of Serbia, not part of Yugoslavia", but serbia was "part of" yugoslavia, so...

banriquit, Saturday, 19 April 2008 14:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I wasn't skitting you I was just playing the comedy disinformation game.

Noodle Vague, Saturday, 19 April 2008 14:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

I.E. yes of course this is a widespread perception but from my experience French TV channels frequently mistake po-faced earnestness for intellectualism. NOT THAT THEY ARE ALONE IN THIS

Noodle Vague, Saturday, 19 April 2008 14:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

Ok, thanks for the help! I work in pretty mainstream analytic philosophy in the US (and also in France), and it would be weird for any of us to get attention on a general interest internet message board. But we all have provocative political things to say, it's just that we don't work on those things as our speciality and so we don't receive attention for them. I wanted to gauge better why Zizek gets this kind of attention, since he's never come up in a discussion I've had with colleagues in the US or France.

Euler, Saturday, 19 April 2008 14:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

I thought maybe this one was meant to be a little bit more introductory.

₴HABΔZZ ¶IZZΔ (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 14:55 (3 months ago) Permalink

I knew Mordy had taken a class by Zizek, so he's not making it up.

Try Leuchars More! (dowd), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:07 (3 months ago) Permalink

what can i say? i'm pretty valueless + empty w/ little to contribute or share beyond this one course i took more than half a decade ago. i'll never mention it again.

Mordy, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:26 (3 months ago) Permalink

what was it about. did he assign his own books. were you radicalized. tell us stories.

ryan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:27 (3 months ago) Permalink

helen vendler came to my masters program once and tough a class. that is my one brush with academic fame.

ryan, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:27 (3 months ago) Permalink

it was mostly about antigone, the family and the state. he assigned parallax from himself. the coolest thing i read in the course was derrida's glas. i wasn't radicalized. he told lots of filthy jokes that were very funny. some of the students in the course were doing some cool work. one particular guy was writing about haunted sites and collective trauma + memory in the south which i thought was very interesting.

Mordy, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:29 (3 months ago) Permalink

i feel like you're snarking me, markers bc surely i've mentioned that xp

if you have i don't remember. no snark.

markers, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:30 (3 months ago) Permalink

If I were Helen Vendler I wouldn't read papers either. I got a stack of"em staring at me.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:31 (3 months ago) Permalink

how much of academia is people saying things are interesting

conrad, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:31 (3 months ago) Permalink

ideally all of it. practically 5%?

Mordy, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:32 (3 months ago) Permalink

one particular guy was writing about haunted sites and collective trauma + memory in the south which i thought was very interesting.

i'd be interested in this

macklin' rosie (crüt), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:32 (3 months ago) Permalink

not saying interesting things Mordy saying things are interesting

conrad, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:33 (3 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

We didn't really learn anything from WikiLeaks we didn't already presume to be true – but it is one thing to know it in general and another to get concrete data. It is a little bit like knowing that one's sexual partner is playing around. One can accept the abstract knowledge of it, but pain arises when one learns the steamy details, when one gets pictures of what they were doing.

Mordy, Friday, 20 June 2014 02:48 (3 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

this is good http://www.criticatac.ro/lefteast/critique-of-zizek-on-kosovo-and-the-balkans-1/

ey, Thursday, 10 July 2014 06:12 (2 months ago) Permalink

reading "altai" by "wu ming" and there's a casual reference to a slavic seller of banned books called "gigek"

max, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:01 (2 months ago) Permalink

Yeah, ey, thanks for that, that was very interesting. Made me finally buy Badiou's Being and Event.

Frederik B, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:09 (2 months ago) Permalink

Frederik: you might find 'Normalizing the Balkans' by Dusan Bjelic interesting, too.

ey, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:59 (2 months ago) Permalink

http://www.newsweek.com/did-marxist-philosophy-superstar-slavoj-zizek-plagiarize-white-nationalist-journal-258433

When Newsweek contacted Critical Inquiry, James Williams, its senior managing editor, agreed that Žižek “absolutely” borrowed from Hornbeck’s review. “We’re very sorry it happened,” he said. “If we had known Žižek was plagiarizing, we would have certainly asked him to remove the illegal passages.”

Newsweek then contacted Hornbeck, who writes under a pseudonym. “Anyone who has seen the side-by-side comparisons can have no doubt that Žižek is a plagiarist,” he said. “I know nothing about his writing habits. Maybe he does this all the time. Or it may be that as a prominent Marxist he didn’t want it known that he reads American Renaissance. In any case, what he did is contemptible, and his publisher...should certainly have a word with him.”

orchestra_hit, Monday, 14 July 2014 01:46 (2 months ago) Permalink

i dunno it seems pretty plausible that his general slovenliness explains pretty much everything

j., Monday, 14 July 2014 02:47 (2 months ago) Permalink

Yeah, he draws from Wikipedia regularly, so I can readily imagine him cutting and pasting text from email without bothering to see whether the email was quoting or paraphrasing a source.

one way street, Monday, 14 July 2014 03:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

Not to mention the nearly page-long passage (on The Matrix, I think?) in "On Belief" that he uses twice within the same chapter to introduce two different arguments.....

one way street, Monday, 14 July 2014 03:09 (2 months ago) Permalink

(On Leibniz and cyberspace, rather, on pages 26 and 52 of On Belief).

one way street, Monday, 14 July 2014 03:19 (2 months ago) Permalink

lol he plagiarized an anti-Semite. so zizek.

Mordy, Monday, 14 July 2014 04:23 (2 months ago) Permalink

i dunno it seems pretty plausible that his general slovenliness explains pretty much everything

― j., Sunday, July 13, 2014 9:47 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is as much an alibi for him as a genuine cause of anything.

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 14 July 2014 05:04 (2 months ago) Permalink

what is a genuine cause

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Monday, 14 July 2014 15:33 (2 months ago) Permalink

fuck you :)

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 14 July 2014 23:55 (2 months ago) Permalink

iunno. that smiley doesn't feel so genuine to me.

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Tuesday, 15 July 2014 02:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

The first thing that such a "fundamentalist" view cannot see is how a foreign gaze is inscribed into the very establishment of "our" identity. Say, Argentinean identity formed itself in the middle of 19th century, when its main mythical motifs were established (the gaucho melancholy, etc.); however, all these motifs were already formulated in the memoirs European travelers a couple of decades earlier – what this means is that, from the very beginning, the Argentinean ideological self-identity relied on an alienating identification with the Other’s gaze. The same holds even more for modern Greece: Athens were in 1800 a provincial peasant village of 10.000 inhabitants, they were not even the first capital of independent Greece. It was under the pressure of Western powers (mostly Germany and England) that the capital was moved to Athens where a series of neoclassic government buildings were constructed by Western architects; it was also the Westerners, fascinated by the Antiquity, who installed in Greeks the sense of continuity with Ancient Greece. Modern Greece thus literally arose as the materialization of the Other’s fantasy, and, since the right of fantasy is the fundamental right, should one not draw from it the extremely non-PC conclusion that not only should Germany and England return to Greece the ancient monuments they plundered and which are now displayed in the Pergamon Museum and the British Museum – Greeks should even voluntarily offer to Germany and Greece whatever old monuments they still possess, since these monuments only have value for the Western ideological fantasy.

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Sunday, 20 July 2014 22:44 (2 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

The "plaigiarism" controversy seems overblown. The disputed passages are just summaries of other books, it's not like he plagiarized a white supremacist's ideas as the headlines suggest

Treeship, Thursday, 7 August 2014 02:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

it's been fun seeing academic types be all 'gotcha! the p-word!!!!' and just look like goobers tho

mattresslessness, Thursday, 7 August 2014 03:06 (1 month ago) Permalink

as a plagiarism controversy it's pretty dumb but i'm all for calling out his working methods. big surprise that producing like half a million words a year results in shoddy, repetitive work.

Merdeyeux, Thursday, 7 August 2014 03:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

huge surprise hence the necessary calling out?

mattresslessness, Thursday, 7 August 2014 03:28 (1 month ago) Permalink

the more people point out that he produces a lot of useless shit the more chance there is of him taking any heed and ever producing anything of worth again. maybe.

Merdeyeux, Thursday, 7 August 2014 03:37 (1 month ago) Permalink

but then it's kinda just the plight of every celeb academic. he just amplifies it.

Merdeyeux, Thursday, 7 August 2014 03:38 (1 month ago) Permalink

I was reading an older book ("contingency, hegemony, solidarity") and his contributions are very notable for their repetitiveness -- not only within the book but within his whole body of work. he's a very formulaic writer and I think there's rapidly diminishing returns with his stuff.

ryan, Thursday, 7 August 2014 11:42 (1 month ago) Permalink

or what merdeyeux said

ryan, Thursday, 7 August 2014 11:42 (1 month ago) Permalink

he has a lot of books that have come out and will come out this year

markers, Thursday, 7 August 2014 15:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

he's definitely the philosopher i've read the most of at this point

markers, Thursday, 7 August 2014 15:50 (1 month ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/rolling-underground-tunnels.html

"Signed by Slavoj Žižek and a friend" - whatever that means. it doesn't read like his voice at all.

Mordy, Monday, 25 August 2014 21:57 (1 month ago) Permalink


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