OMG I WANT THIS AMAZING RONALDINHO BOTTLE OPENER

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(hence "you've got to be shitting me")

HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 17:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

i dont know who the fuck ronaldinho is but im pretty sure i saw that bottle opener at the end of 'bamboozled'

and what, Thursday, 22 March 2007 17:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

i dont know who the fuck ronaldinho is

I'm fairly sure even Tuomas and Lex know who Ronaldinho is.

onimo, Thursday, 22 March 2007 17:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

hahahahahaha this thread will be a winner

ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 17:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

Bamboozled used that "Black man bottle opener" didn't it? He looks nothing like Ronaldinho.

onimo, Thursday, 22 March 2007 17:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

what ilx2 needed was a britisher vs american race debate that also involves soccer

ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 17:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's wearing 10, has big teeth and a ponytail - it's not Roberto Carlos is it?

Bizarrely, I found it while image searching "aranyscapat" looking for pics of the Hungary 1954 squad. wtf?!

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure I've seen a "LOL RONALDINHO BUCKTEETH LOOKS LIKE BOTTLE OPENER" comment on ILX before somewhere. Someone is going to be owed some royalties.

dan m, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

Abbott, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:04 (7 years ago) Permalink



believe it or not, that's actually a photograph.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

I must be missing something:

Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

I mean, not even does this look like that bottle opener:

Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

His teeth aren't HUGE, but they're very pronounced because his gums are enormous.

onimo, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

If it had been a Luke Chadwick/Esther Rantzen/other comedy-toothed character bottle-opener, would this be creating controversy? It's a caricature of a man with fuck-off big teeth. His colour is neither here nor there.

I want one too.

For reference, people who have no idea who Ronaldhino is:

ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

he has the mighty chomperz, okay?

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

Um, xxxxpost. You people are weird. Ronaldhino is basically 90% teeth and gums.

ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

Who the fuck is Luke Chadwick? :)

ailsa otm, comedy bottle opener has nothing to do with his colour.

I think and what is saying all comedy bottle opener (and toothpaste tube) black men look alike.

onimo, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

I thought people would've been used to ethan trolling by now.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

Well, it was the first thing I thought of too, fwiw.

G00blar, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

by "ethan trolling" you mean dan perry expressing his revulsion circa the second post?

ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

all blackface minstrel representations of black men usually do look alike

and what, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

Ailsa was OTM. Can't say it any better.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

'if it was a white guy you wouldnt say it was racist!' well uh yeah

and what, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

Plus Dan and Ethan's response is obviously because of the toothpaste thing. Which is something I have never seen before and I doubt many of "us britishers" have.
So yeah ok Ethan may not have been trolling. Sorry.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

darkie toothpaste was a stand-in for any number of racist products throughout us & uk & basically every other country's history, of which this bottle opener fits neatly into the history of

and what, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

Haha, the first google hit for Luke Chadwick leads you to uglyfootballers.com

ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

Kerr, are you really not seeing this? Ethan and Dan aren't responding to the toothpaste thing, they are invoking the toothpaste thing because they think it's the same thing. Which it isn't.

Please someone explain clearly to me, because I am clearly an idiot, exactly *how* this is racist.

ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

But ethan this bottle opener has nothing to do with his colour. It's about his teeth. Sure that's still discriminating, but if the worlds most famous footballer was white and had big teeth the opener would still have been made.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

And I think I better go and google Luke Chadwick to see who he is.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

guys, its called DARLIE now.

g®▲Ðұ, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

(the bottle opener I mean. And btw, I am aware of the toothpaste and several other stereotypical things of days of yore. The toothpaste issue = all black men have shiny white teeth. Wrong. The bottle-opener = Ronaldhino has great big silly teeth. Fair enough. He does. It's not saying anything about black people, or Brazilians, or Barcelona players, or men, or whatever. It's saying something about ONE MAN.)

probably an xpost

ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

hahaha wow

ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

Luke Chadwick = crap footballer only famous for looking like Plug off the Bash Street Kids.

ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

I know this will be read as trolling, but I DON'T UNDERSTAND ENGLAND.

horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

if the worlds most famous footballer was white and had big teeth the opener would still have been made.

Like the D. Beckham "Coin Slot" Bum Bottle Opener?

nabisco, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

That toothpaste is Chinese, BTW. Just to be clear.

Super Cub, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

Scrolls up thread...nope, no-one in the "this be racist" argument is from England. But, whatever.

ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

(though I don't actually know who Robert Spiralli is, so I'm quite prepared to admit I might be wrong here)

ailsa, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

Scrolls up thread...nope, no-one in the "this be racist" argument is from England. But, whatever.

ailsa on Thursday, March 22, 2007 2:32 PM (46 seconds ago)


hahahah that's the point! an entire nation of tuomas!

ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

(I think "this be racist." I don't understand the "this isn't racist" POV.)

horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm kind of shocked that you guys are denying the (unintentional probably, but undeniable) effect here. Does the bottle opener sing "Mammy" too?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

xpost

horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

*"you guys" being the aforementioned tuomas nation

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:36 (7 years ago) Permalink



wow i cant even tell which one's the bottle opener & which is the real guy

and what, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

The level of accuracy in terms of the topographical distribution of the largeness of his pronounced front teeth is admirable. i.e. the right one, as we look, is lareger, which is anatomically correct.

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:39 (7 years ago) Permalink



i bet none of you hypocrites would think it was racist if these servants were depicted as white - what a double standard!!!!!

and what, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

Paul Robinson Chin Ironing Board
Wayne Rooney Dog-Training Kit
Michael Carrick Diaper Dollie with Real Wets-Itself Action
Super Nail-Bashing Hammer with Michael Owen's Face (Peen End) and Gary Neville's Face (Claw End)

nabisco, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's not saying anything about black people, or Brazilians, or Barcelona players, or men, or whatever. It's saying something about ONE MAN.

I'd agree with this, but still, in the creation of a bottle-opener that sends up Ronaldinho's teeth, they've made a product that resembles a canonical odious racist image--again, it was my first association upon seeing the bottle-opener--and I'm a little uncomfortable with images that resemble such portrayals.

G00blar, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yes, yes, the bottle opener is exactly the same as that cartoon.

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

Please someone explain clearly to me, because I am clearly an idiot, exactly *how* this is racist.

― ailsa, Thursday, March 22, 2007 2:26 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol (not directed at you koogs)

marcos, Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:16 (2 months ago) Permalink

also DJP's post needs to be in the first response hall of fame if it is not already

marcos, Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:18 (2 months ago) Permalink

i love that the first three posts so clearly demarcate the lines of the oncoming clusterfuck

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:56 (2 months ago) Permalink

*incredulousness*
*unflappable enthusiasm*

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:56 (2 months ago) Permalink

looking like ronaldinho is racist now

your favourite misread ILX threads (darraghmac), Thursday, 24 July 2014 15:24 (2 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

I have to assume all the british posters at the start of this thread are paying tribute to stewart lee's routine about jimmy hill by acting out the part of hill

I have to

Onan Pullett (wins), Friday, 26 September 2014 22:40 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

every few months i skimread through this thread

nakhchivan, Friday, 26 September 2014 22:41 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

at last, some good humour to defuse the situation! some of you highly-strung types ought to learn a lesson from this. looking at you, ethan.

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:58 (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU LIMEY RETARD

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:58 (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nakhchivan, Friday, 26 September 2014 22:41 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

let us discuss whether the portrayal of Ronaldinho on the Simpsons was as offensive or whatever as the bottle opener:

― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 14 September 2007 20:32 (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nooooooooo

― Just got offed, Friday, 14 September 2007 20:35 (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's Ronaldo, not Ronaldinho. Probably best not to think all black guys look the same on this thread, Alex.

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 14 September 2007 20:37 (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nakhchivan, Friday, 26 September 2014 22:44 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

the duration and recapitulation of the arguments here is quite something, mostly one would expect a 1000 page thread like this to be perhaps 400 posts of argument, 200 posts of partially related sniping and then a long cadenza of meta and periodic reminiscence

in this thread people are still trying to determine whether or not the ronaldinho bottle opener might, in fact, be racist after about 850 posts

nakhchivan, Friday, 26 September 2014 22:48 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I don't think I've got that far although there are always a couple of die-hards no

Onan Pullett (wins), Friday, 26 September 2014 22:56 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

like the japanese guy who thinks it's still ww2

Onan Pullett (wins), Friday, 26 September 2014 22:58 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

first response hall of fame

horseshoe, Friday, 26 September 2014 23:01 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

the thing is so grotesque and repellent, quite why anyone would want such an object even if it weren't racist

nakhchivan, Friday, 26 September 2014 23:07 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i dont know who the fuck ronaldinho is but im pretty sure i saw that bottle opener at the end of 'bamboozled'
― and what, Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:55 AM (7 years ago)

sarahell, Saturday, 27 September 2014 00:00 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

it's been nice shitting with you guys

Onan Pullett (wins), Saturday, 27 September 2014 12:38 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Paul Robinson Chin Ironing BoardWayne Rooney Dog-Training KitMichael Carrick Diaper Dollie with Real Wets-Itself ActionSuper Nail-Bashing Hammer with Michael Owen's Face (Peen End) and Gary Neville's Face (Claw End)

underrated post

💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Saturday, 27 September 2014 18:06 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

this was a coming of age, of sorts

pretentious over rated bloody old rubbish (imago), Saturday, 27 September 2014 18:10 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

would like to stake an inarguable claim for Most Improved

pretentious over rated bloody old rubbish (imago), Saturday, 27 September 2014 18:11 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

damn shd have been

i would like to point out that i am the Most Improved

pretentious over rated bloody old rubbish (imago), Saturday, 27 September 2014 18:11 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

did it ever get conclusively established whether the bottle opener was racist

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Saturday, 27 September 2014 19:06 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

the only thing to be said in defence of the 'not racist' crowd is that the sort of iconography it duplicates is not quite as familiar in england, and where it does occur it doesn't look quite the same

largely because unlike the people who came up with darlie toothpaste et al, its authors would never have seen any black people so instead of a sort of monstrous deformation of the familiar, they are more purely fictive, rather like the chinoiserie figurines of the 18th and early 19th century

that doesn't explain the way people were still defending it even when its character was amply demonstrated though

nakhchivan, Saturday, 27 September 2014 19:26 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

the priggish bullheadedness of imbecile youth obvs

pretentious over rated bloody old rubbish (imago), Saturday, 27 September 2014 19:28 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

true, although most of the rest don't have access to that defence

nakhchivan, Saturday, 27 September 2014 19:31 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

louis when I was reading this thread from the beginning I didn't realise that unfished business was you which has not been the case with any of your other noms de theatre so you may have a point

Onan Pullett (wins), Saturday, 27 September 2014 20:06 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

obviously most of the world is oblivious to how race functions in brazil but it's sort of peculiar how people who do not identify as black/preto (iirc ronaldinho identifies as pardo/mixed or mb moreno) are considered black elsewhere. there's an argument that within brazil the distinction doesn't really change how ppl are treated, and it's certainly more true abroad wrt anti-black racism; ronaldinho was called an ape by a mexican politician recently (he's moved to queretaro)

it feels worth noting that ronaldinho had cosmetic dental surgery last year

ogmor, Saturday, 27 September 2014 21:26 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

theres only a vague correlation between how brazilian people identify themselves racially and their ancestry

nakhchivan, Saturday, 27 September 2014 21:28 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

very much doubt whether ronaldinho identifies as 'pardo' though

nakhchivan, Saturday, 27 September 2014 21:29 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

well obv ancestry is so mixed compared to most countries that any categories are going to be especially arbitrary and loose. can't find the bit about ronaldinho's identification but suspect it was on this blog - http://blackwomenofbrazil.co/

ogmor, Saturday, 27 September 2014 21:42 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

they arent quite as arbitrary as all that and it very much depends on what part of the country, rio grande do sul where he comes from has large populations of german, swiss, polish people etc and a different sort of identity to equatorial brazil, ronaldinho is i think petit-bourgeois by birth unlike most famous brazilian players which would shift his terms of identification somewhat but id imagine he would still be de facto classified as preto by most

nakhchivan, Saturday, 27 September 2014 21:53 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

there's a lot of debate on that brazilian blog about self-identification vs perceptions & how/if/to what extent ppl distance themselves from blackness. the number of brazilians identifying as preto has shrunk a lot & it's an issue for anti-racist campaigners

ogmor, Saturday, 27 September 2014 22:12 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

my favourite ronaldinho goals

nakhchivan, Saturday, 27 September 2014 23:41 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

#6

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nakhchivan, Saturday, 27 September 2014 23:46 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

that should be

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