Do we have a PAZZ AND JOB 2009 thread yet?

If so, well, mods, you know what to do.

e-mail me when we start talking about the animal collective.

Email me when we've won the war on terror.

more like pazz and get a job

"the" animal collective

"pazz and nod off"

man, i need to change my screen name, like, last week - i'm sick of this thing

Pazz is the teacher, Job is the preacher.

i don't think they're doing pazz and jop this year. budget cuts.

maybe they'll just do pazz.

would prefer jop tbh

I don't want to be one of those ppl who are like "every songs a single in the digital age, maaaaan" but i'm having the hardest time trying to find 10 honest-to-god singles i really loved this year

And like every year, I didn't bother voting for singles.

Here's the Top Ten I submitted, btw.

http://i36.tinypic.com/wbvxv5.gif

there were so many good singles this year! more than in '08 anyway.

Various Artists, Sí, Para Usted: The Funky Beats of Revolutionary Cuba, Vol. 2

Interesting to see this on yr ballot. It's been out for a few months, at least. Aside from a Dusted Magazine review I spotted this week, I hadn't heard anything about the disc (by contrast, Vol. I seemed to get lots of attention). I'm going to give it a listen now, so thx.

Top Ten Metal Albums of 2009 to Village Voice Media (which will show up on the Voice's blog, as well as the blogs of numerous other VVM papers across the U.S.A.)

First I've heard of this. Are they doing other genre-specific polls as well? (The jazz one goes back a few years, I realize.)

Btw, re P&J, I asked this on another thread yesterday but nobody noticed: Are people who voted eventually getting an automatic confirmation email back? (I didn't, at least not yet.) Weird that you don't even get to a page where you can doublecheck your votes after you press submit, before you absolutely confirm your ballot (which was always the way the site worked in the past, at least a few years ago.)

First I've heard of this. Are they doing other genre-specific polls as well?

I don't know. Last year, one of their editorial high-ups emailed me asking if I'd want to do a metal Top Ten for which I'd be paid a flat fee, and which would run throughout the chain, on the various papers' blogs. I said sure. It got a pretty decent response - varying numbers of comments depending on the paper. This year, I emailed him and asked if he wanted another one, and he said yeah.

I heard so many good singles in the last four weeks that my ballot runneth over.

pazz & job = why do good things happen to bad records?

Oh hey look:
http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/

Go nuts.

Hahah simultaneous posts ahoy.

well lookee here

1 Animal Collective, Merriweather Post Pavilion
Domino Points: 1794
Mentions: 154
2 Phoenix, Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix
Glassnote Points: 1463
Mentions: 139
3 Neko Case, Middle Cyclone
Anti Points: 1201
Mentions: 106
4 Yeah Yeah Yeahs, It's Blitz!
DGC/Interscope Points: 1199
Mentions: 114
5 Dirty Projectors, Bitte Orca
Domino Points: 1169
Mentions: 108
6 Grizzly Bear, Veckatimest
Warp Points: 1073
Mentions: 106
7 The xx, xx
Young Turks Points: 977
Mentions: 93
8 Raekwon, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx...Part II
Ice H2O/EMI Points: 857
Mentions: 85
9 The Flaming Lips, Embryonic
Warner Points: 681
Mentions: 65
10 Girls, Album
True Panther Points: 652
Mentions: 63
11 Mos Def, The Ecstatic
Downtown Points: 613
Mentions: 59
12 St. Vincent, Actor
4AD Points: 573
Mentions: 62
13 Fever Ray, Fever Ray
Rabid Points: 551
Mentions: 53
14 Maxwell, BLACKsummers'night
Columbia Points: 525
Mentions: 49
15 The Avett Brothers, I and Love and You
American/Columbia Points: 497
Mentions: 42

(this will surely look a mess when I submit the post... but damn, what a lazy top 15)

Lots of overlap between the albums/singles top 10: six songs in the singles top 10 (Animal Collective, Grizzly Bear, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Dirty Projectors, and Phoenix [x 2]) come from albums in the albums top 10. That's gotta be a record, no?

i feel robbed of the fact that no one associated w/ ilx got the inevitable dream essay

The The-Dream essay mentions that he got the highest point-average. The lowest (among albums with 10+ votes) was the Decemberists.

More stats:

http://furia.com/all-idols/2009

Even more, and the whole data-set in the system used for tabulating it this year:

http://www.needlebase.com/pj2009

Hoison/jaymc, you left out Girls, which makes 7. Ties a record; I wrote about it in there somewhere.

Crazy Cousinz, This Is UK Funky House, Vol. 1
Warner Points: 5
Mentions: 1

:(

Already read Chuck Eddy's essay complaining about too much indie rock in the top 40. Thought I'd show y'all where my all-Latin ballot turned up in the total.

Bebe - #1384 (I was the only vote)
Graciela Beltran - #1207 (me on my own again)
Bomba Estereo - #501 (one other person voted for them)
Don Omar - #1387 (alone again, naturally)
Girl In A Coma - #645 (one person with me on this one)
Natalia Lafourcade - #180 (THREE other voters!)
Paulina Rubio - #1093 (just me)
V/A - Si, Para Usted: The Funky Beats Of Revolutionary Cuba Vol. 2 - #654 (two votes)
Los Tigres del Norte - #599 (two votes)
Wisin y Yandel - #616 (two votes)

I think these are the worst P&J results I've ever seen.

i think that was the worst phil freeman post i've ever seen

For some reason I'm shocked to see that many "more eccentric" voters than Scott Seward.

The fact that Ryan Schrieber is the 5th-most centric voter says everything you need to know.

rev otm

anyone have any comments?

i like xhucx's essay about how boring and predictable the results are

lol @ 2009 header being up & having a link up to the 07 poll (?)

My comments weren't printed; you can read them here.

I had a comment printed (on lol Animal Collective)

also: on lol Adam Lambert.

Hoison/jaymc, you left out Girls, which makes 7. Ties a record; I wrote about it in there somewhere.

Ah you're right.

I actually just spent the last 30 minutes trying to figure this out! Should've just read your essay first, xhuxk.

But since I've got the stats on hand, these are the years in which there was a lot of overlap between the singles and albums lists:

2009, 1987 (7 songs in the top 10 singles were by artists in the top 10 albums)
1984 (6)
2000, 1994, 1991 (5)
2004, 1993, 1988, 1985, 1983, 1980 (4)

favorite ballot: http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2009/684580

good comments unperson.

it's funny i was thinking of a list of all-decade albums if i was actually a rock critic or something and a surprising number of them were local minneapolis bands that pressed in quantities of <1000, like just people i know and stuff but make great music IMO...and part of it was just tied to having had the bands be more a part of my life like seeing them on a regular basis

miles marshall lewis needs a 77 invite

I liked metal thread denizen J3ff T's comments on the futility of it all.

though i am glad ol' man raekwon got on the top 10

It's almost reassuring that this is the worst consensus of my lifetime.

idk i'm too young to really have a deep emotional connection with michael but that ballot is a bit OKAY WE GET IT *APPLAUSE* for my taste -- it's like a ballot that justin timberlake would've sent in

2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.
2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.
2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.
2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.
2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.
2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.
2009 was the year of Gucci's World—we were just living in it.

Is the "problem" with Grizzly Bear that they're kind of like an equiv. of Wilco now?

They seem like the one band in the GAPDY list which are totally US indie qua indie (and more so now than previously).

Whereas I think it's easier to say e.g. "I like Phoenix because they're a fab pop band, not because I'm totally into all that indie stuff" - and then other variations on this for the other bands.

honestly has anyone really listened to da grizz? Seriously, Daniel Rossen's guitar work and chords are far more adventurous than Wilco. They may now appear to be the "next wilco" which means many will declare them as "boring americana" but honestly, me thinks they are so much more

ps. I also think there's a lot of people on here that dislike bands like Grizzly Bear primarily because they 1: don't like their bio/look 2: don't like their fans or people they perceive to be their fans and 3: they like to be contrary and say Brad Paisley is amazing.

I mean that they're the equivalent of Wilco in the sense of how they fit in discursively - not referring to their strict sound, which is usually one of the less important things in issue when people decide not to check something out.

I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on ILX in terms of rather liking Yellow House but then finding it difficult to motivate myself to listen to the new one.

people on here that dislike bands like Grizzly Bear primarily because...they like to be contrary and say Brad Paisley is amazing

Or, why contrarians have more fun, volume 4,276. Not that I like Paisely beyond a couple singles, but I've had more fun trying to get into him than trying to get into Grizzly Bear.

"I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on ILX in terms of rather liking Yellow House but then finding it difficult to motivate myself to listen to the new one."

this is me! i loved yellow house. so did lots of people on ilm. there are raves galore about it here. but, yeah, didn't go out of my way to hear the new album. i'm sure its fine.

do any rock critics work at Other Music? and write for EW? i want names.

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Is the "problem" with Grizzly Bear that

Grizzly Bear brings out the red state asshole in me. I want to beat them up and take their lunch money and then go listen to Skynyrd or AC/DC and maybe even vote republican. Well not the republican part but you understand...

I like neither Brad Paisley nor Grizzly Bear. (I live in a place where the dreadful C&W stuff some of you have taken to fetishizing is as ubiquitous and unavoidable as indie music is in the worlds some of you seem to inhabit and loathe.) "Grizzly Bear brings out the red state asshole in me" is a bracing and honest admission, but not a very persuasive argument.

People who regard anyone who likes, say, contemporary country (or anything, really) as big fake fronting fetishists come off like douchebags, imo. Take people at face value that they like what they say they like.

(Actually, I don't know that it's an honest admission, do I? But I assume it is.)

xp to myself

Are you kidding? Regarding anyone who likes GAPDY as a big fake fronting indie fetishist is an ILM raison d'etre.

lol wtf does that even mean?

m.v., shut up

I really don't think the typical knock here against insular indie rock listening habits is that it's all an elaborate put-on and nobody actually likes that stuff, but if you can find some posts that put forward that sentiment, I'd love to see them.

The perils of living in a red state.

http://blogs.channelnewsasia.com/suzanne-jung/files/2008/11/obama2004.jpg

"We got friends in red states who dig Grizzly Bear, we got friends in blue ones who love Brad Paisley. Over there's my friend Chuck Eddy, the embodiment of what it means to be truly purple."

"Fetishizing" GAPDY vs "Fetishizing" Brad Paisley

fetish - 12 definitions - 1. An object thought to have magical, especially magically sexual, powers

mmmm then I could definitely fetishize Brad Paisley.

haw!

Seriously, I'm tired of people using red-vs-blue state bullshit to explain why people like a band.

plus, grizzly bear's yellow house is in massachusetts where they elect republican male models.

"i'm scott brown and i approve of the hairy bears. i mean grizzly bear!"

http://thepoliticalclass.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b6e9e8970b0120a791e534970b-pi

Seriously, I'm tired of people using red-vs-blue state bullshit

Oh man, I was gonna say LOL about your Obama purple state thing until I realized you're sick of bullshitters like me.

Removing the red state joke from it, Grizzly Bear are too wimpy and respectable for me. I'm sure plenty of smart people like them and they're great at what they do, but for me personally, it's barf city bro.

would people who like those records really choose not to vote for them because of ILX stigma? if so that's pretty fucked up.

― some dude, Sunday, 24 January 2010 00:43 (18 hours ago)

my ballot was probably somewhat influenced by this. not that i'm shy to vote for them because of people hating on them, but more that even though i love GADY a lot (not huge on P) i voted largely for albums that i was exposed to through ilm this year, and not so much other places. i think a lot of people who post as little as i do still vote in the poll, and i do feel a certain responsibility not to obscure the results away from being representative of the albums that were actually a big deal here. it would be kind of lame if dozens of lurkers all voted GAPDY and then those ended up all being top ten, since they're not all necessarily albums that were widely loved by the actively posting crowd. i still voted dirty projectors, and nominated a few albums that i'm sure no one else voted for, but there was definitely an element of strategy to my ballot.

kornrulez supports one of my claims that people on here dont' like it for my reason #1, they don't like the bio or how they look. Wimpy is an obnoxious reason to hate a band, but it's still a reason.

Also, the "I loved yellow house" but couldn't motivate to listen to the new one is strange to me. Not sure I follow, if You love an album wouldnt' you want to check out the latest one?
Knee jerk reaction to hype/exposure if you ask me. People on here are too self aware.

how they look.

If the hair's wrong, I am more skeptical, sure.

hey, less pop garbage than usual this year, huh? good work, kidz.

how many haven't you heard!?

tops is Mt Goats at #80!

pissed jeans?

saw em, didn't hear the record (ditto Grizzly Bear & YLT)

& godawful Wilco

kornrulez supports one of my claims ...they don't like the bio or how they look.

I'm sure their bio is dynamite stuff. And no doubt they're all handsome young lads. But in refute to your presumptuous (some would say bratty) assumption, I'm basing my opinion on how they sound.

I'm about a week late to this, but re: the relative size of Pfork to other sites/blogs: here are some approximate monthly stats for some of the more well-known sites:

(Audience/Pageviews)
---------------------
Pitchfork: 1,500,000 / 30,000,000
Hypem: 1,300,000 / 12,000,000
GVSB: 85,000 / 485,000
Fluxblog: 17,000 / 50,000
99.9% of remaining blogs: way lower

Stereogum keeps traffic data private, ditto for Brooklyn Vegan, but I estimate those at about:

Stereogum: 1,250,000 / 6,000,000
Brooklynvegan: 750,000 / 4,500,000

Catbird, where'd you get those numbers from?

http://www.thedailyswarm.com/headlines/pitchfork-editor-takes-public-forum-defend-its-greatness-i-think-you-underestimate-how-much-bigger-we-are/

wtf

Music critics Chuck Eddy, Christopher Weingarten, Maura Johnson, Scott Seward, Ned Raggett and others offered their assessments of the poll

...I did?

Go nuts.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:41 PM

^^

Now the whole internet knows how much Ned loves polls!

Thrills.

@ekaloudis, a combination of Quantcast data and cross-referencing/relative size data from other public data sources (Compete, et. al.)

P&J parallel: 2009 vs 1990

The-Dream = Guy

Maxwell = Neville Bros

not sure what you mean by "parallel". the-dream and max did considerably better in 2009 than those two in 1990, and the Nevilles had a top 5 p'n'j album the year before.

just that they filled v similar niches

i guess, though the neville brothers were far more of a critics band, with little to no pop/r&b chart action

Roots-rock-type voters way more likely to go for Nevilles than Maxwell - no comparison at all, as far as I can tell.

Somebody speculated, somewhere, that since the voting instructions for the first time this year didn't spell out the 15-14-13-12-11-9-8-7-6-5 weighting pattern, there would be a lot more unweighted 10-points-each album ballots. This didn't turn out to be the case, but I was waiting for a minor display-bug in the stats software to get fixed before adding the point-pattern breakdown to my list of slices. It's there now, for anybody really interested in numbers:

Point Patterns

Thanks for reading my blog, Scott & Christopher ;-)