ok lets all shit our pants to something new: post 2005 horror film thread

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i just watched drag me to hell last night, and as a old school Raimi fanboy it was a ton of fun (srsly sam it is amazing how much mileage you can get out of the power of people/corpses/demonwhatevers vomiting on other people). Curious to find out how it worked for people that weren't kind of the target audience, esp the classic moments of Raimi complete set up nonsense (the best of which had to be the "well duh why not use these ice skates i was about to pawn on my suspended anvil" idiot lunacy).

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

anybody see any of the big remakes (last house on the left, whichever one rob zombie did this year, etc)?

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

drag me to hell was so great -- just rewatched but seeing it in the theatre was amazing what with everyone laughing & screaming simultaneously

elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

i think the only nasty cut-em-up flicks i like anymore come from france or asia, though the first 'hostel' and the first 'saw' were good. i have a ton of friends who are in the horror film community and they're all pretty cynical about it these days, everyone wants to turn shit pg-13.

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

no desire to see the halloween remake, but the trailer was fucking terrifying (i've long held that horror movie trailers are usually way scarier than the actual movie, you just get a succession of jumps and creepy images without any context or warning).

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

loved drag me... anyone seen paranormal activity yet?

or left bank?

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

the french stuff is just brutal, but its been some of my favorite stuff as well, im sure a bunch of the usual whiners are going to lump it into the totally dumb invented "torture porn" genre but it just has such a deep sense of misanthropic malice and self-loathing xpost

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

i have a ton of friends who are in the horror film community and they're all pretty cynical about it these days, everyone wants to turn shit pg-13.

― access flap (omar little), Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:09 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^ omar's friends

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

considering using my mod cheat powers to edit the title to include 2008 because so much great unheralded stuff came out last year

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

'inside' was just as rough thematically as it was in terms of gore imo, i.e. it's one of my favorite films of the past few years.

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

id make it the whole decade but i think that the hostel/saw/ring/rob zombie non remake stuff would just take over and we've talked about that a billion times already (i love all three of the originals, and will go to bat for hostel 2 as well)

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

me too hostel 2 is so underrated

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

really felt roth didn't want to cheap out with an easy sequel on that one

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

the saw series has turned into a joke imo

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah saw 3 was particularly awful

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

never seen a saw movie (i am okay w this)

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

I didn't really feel Hostel when I watched it - though that might've been because I'd watched Wolf Creek the night before which ten times more brutal and believable. Still haven't seen any of the Saws.

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

martyrs was the best horror movie I've seen in years. it's french torture porn, and then again, it's not... which is what makes it so great. it totally transcends the genre and I can guarantee you won't guess where it's going.

eden park was pretty good. not the greatest film ever made but a nice patch on the "hunted by locals in the woods" genre.

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Eden Lake you mean? I liked that a lot, some bits haunted me for a few days. Such a dark ending!

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

duh, yeah eden lake

there are a lot of recent horror films I wanted to see that I haven't gotten around to. off the top of my head: teeth, the uninvited, embodiment of evil, dead snow... and I guess the haunting in ct now...

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

anybody repping for inside in this thread needs to see martyrs stat

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

paranormal is not that great. download it and see it at home. more of a living room thing than a theatre experience.

let them eat cankles (jeff), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

I wanna see nightmare, too. it's an older film that just got released on DVD, kind of low budget but looks promising.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0455983/

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh hey btw for the french horror heads, if you haven't seen frontier(s), thats pretty essential

Eden Lake is british, right? some great horror coming out of britain in the past few years, esp if you like a bit of comedy mixed with your gore (top recs would be Severance and Shrooms)

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

paranormal is not that great. download it and see it at home. more of a living room thing than a theatre experience.

― let them eat cankles (jeff), Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:33 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

really? how so? i would think it would be a quintessential movie theater movie!!

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

I liked Drag me to Hell. Also liked Jennifer's Body actually. I think a lot of good recent US horror has been genre pastiche/comedy (I'd include Hostel ii).
The French/Asian stuff is nice because it still does well playing the eeriness/bone-gristle straight. I've only seen the first 2 Saws but had to stop because why bother when there's stuff like Martyrs out there.

xcixxorx, Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

dead snow is pretty half-assed tbh

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

theres a foreign language film that is a great companion piece to Eden Lake that i can't remember the name of right now and it is killing me.

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

Eden Lake is british, right? some great horror coming out of britain in the past few years, esp if you like a bit of comedy mixed with your gore

Yep, it's British. Not many laughs though.

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

Just grabbed some new 80s movies to watch. Can anyone vouch for these?

Combat Shock
Demented
Don't Go In The House
Night of the Demon

let them eat cankles (jeff), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah wait, Ils (or Them) is the Eden Lake parallel. creeeeepy

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha yeah Eden Lake is def not chock full o' laughs

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

really? how so? i would think it would be a quintessential movie theater movie!!

Because...

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...it is pretty much just a Blair Witch clone and more fun than scary. For me, the experience was ruining by a theatre of 500 groaning teens.
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let them eat cankles (jeff), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

*ruined

let them eat cankles (jeff), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

combat shock is fucked up. also pretty interesting and pretty good.

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

thread title edit for the purposes of why not

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

In light of the new title I will mention Wolf Creek again.

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

dead snow is pretty half-assed tbh

yeah it looks totally cheeseball but I'm a huge shock waves fan so...

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

speaking of which, the aussies have def had a horror boom this decade as well xpost

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

for aussie film fans i def recommend this hilarious doc:

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

"The Descent" is still the scariest film of that time span. "Drag Me to Hell" was tons of fun, though essentially just a remake of "Night of the Demon." "Zombieland" was entertaining, but totally sloppy and lazy.

Aussie-wise, "Rogue" is an undervalued and very well made gem in the giant croc genre.

Just came across some Korean POV torture porn flick called "The Butcher," which from the look of it may be the most unpleasant movie ever made.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

WC is the only Aussie horror I've seen that I can recall. Recommendations?

xxpost

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

xp to jeff
I saw 'Don't Go In The House' last October. It has a nice gritty grindhouse vibe along w/ a Norman Bates type guy who uses a flamethrower instead of a knife.

xcixxorx, Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

Any good Japanese stuff from this period?

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

It's another Korean flick, but if you count "The Host" as horror, "The Host" is a blast. The director's "Memories of Murder," while slightly pre-2005, is worth seeing, too, though not really a horror film. More a serial killer procedural along the same lines as "Zodiac."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

Just grabbed some new 80s movies to watch. Can anyone vouch for these?

Combat Shock
Demented
Don't Go In The House
Night of the Demon

if you are in the mood to see one of the worst films ever made, you can't go wrong with the 1980 night of the demon

http://www.youtube.com/v/CryBPpYTWfk

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

so weird i was just going to mention memories of murder with that same caveat

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

memories of murder is almost on par with zodiac i think

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

At some point J-horror switched from ghost girls to low budget OTT 80's style gore. I'm not really keen on it.
One I liked was 'Exte' by the guy who did Suicide Circle about cursed hair extensions. Tonally a lot like Uzumaki & pretty fun.

xcixxorx, Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

the horror film 'the booth' is a very good japanese flick about a haunted DJ booth. not gory but i thought it was pretty spooky especially considering the setting.

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

Katakuris was dope. Bird People and Zebraman good too.
What I love about Audition is really the level of commitment it takes to being a completely cheesy, kinda inappropriate rom-com before turning hard into Lynchian horror.
I probably haven't seen anything he's made in the last ten years besides 13 Assassins (which I thought was fine/entertaining) so I still largely remember him as the wacko that did gonzo hardcore stuff like Fudoh, Ichi, Dead or Alive, etc.

Nhex, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 05:04 (1 week ago) Permalink

"Robert Adam Gilmour
Posted: May 7, 2015 at 12:48:20 PM
Maybe my rant unfairly characterises the audience and creators of some of this stuff but I think there is a portion that is roughly what I described. I don't know how much self-loathing comes into what they do.
I generally try my best to avoid making fun of people or aggression but here I found it very difficult to say what I meant without being insulting."

I'm not talking about the filmmakers having self-loathing, I'm talking about horror fans compartmentalizing their vision of horror as the good kind and rejecting all the rest of it as crap or shameful. That cuts both ways, with people thinking that their mannered ghost stories are simply better than more extreme fare, or gorehound psychos fighting against subtle creepouts. I've staked my claim on my position on the shitty misuse of the term "torture porn" as a discredit to modern horror in general, so I won't go after that old saw, but sometimes horror fans are their own worst enemy.

a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 06:46 (1 week ago) Permalink

that's easy, Eric: The Babadook. i thought it was nearly flawless. the list would be longer if you didn't specify "popularly beloved."

It Follows just DID NOT work for me. what i saw was a years-late American J-Horror that erred fatally by presuming that sexual activity is as much a source of existential dread for teens in the USA today as the depersonalization and isolation created by the Internet were for Japanese millennials. It so is not. IF had some positive elements - and i loved the music and cinematography - but the last act just did not work at all.

silent ouzo eclipse (Mr. Hal Jam), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 12:37 (1 week ago) Permalink

Fair enough. "Popularly beloved" was def the hazier qualifier of the two. Basically I meant "non-deep cut."

Norse Jung (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 12:58 (1 week ago) Permalink

I don't think of myself as a genre dilettante, but I do think that the bulk of my favorite horror movies overall are pretty canon.

Norse Jung (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 12:59 (1 week ago) Permalink

'it follows' appears to inspire mostly deep hate and deep appreciation and i've been surprised by which pole people hew to

“audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 13:29 (1 week ago) Permalink

the unshakable suspicion/impression that the production of It Follows was church-funded in some part was certainly off-putting.

silent ouzo eclipse (Mr. Hal Jam), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 13:31 (1 week ago) Permalink

I won't go after that old saw

Intentional, right?

emil.y, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 13:33 (1 week ago) Permalink

anyone who walked away from it follows feeling it was somewhat unjust or had a puritanical subtext had a less rocky and traumatic early sexual history than i did. to me, the film was a parable about sexual injury sustained in and around puberty with links (though somewhat underdeveloped and with indeterminate mission creep) to suburban classism and racism / neglect and THE DEATH OF THE AMERICAN CITY.

“audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 13:37 (1 week ago) Permalink

and when are parables not religious?

silent ouzo eclipse (Mr. Hal Jam), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 14:01 (1 week ago) Permalink

let me ask this: have you seen The Myth of the American Sleepover? Mitchell projects a lot onto his teen characters without quite understanding teenagers. the actors do their best to sell the material, but the motivations in both screenplays are disingenuous and highly suspect.

silent ouzo eclipse (Mr. Hal Jam), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 14:05 (1 week ago) Permalink

there's nothing about it follows that suggests sex is inherently bad and there is remarkably no slut-shaming; i'd rather not spoil the ending but the suggestion of parental abuse makes the film to me more about how we recover our sexuality from the injury and assault that all too often "follows" the early inexperience of being a sexual being

have not seen myth of the american sleepover

“audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 14:09 (1 week ago) Permalink

i haven't seen Myth, but It Follows felt very genuine to me in its handling of teenage emotion, loneliness, sexual confusion
good call that it evokes J-horror and Japanese teen malaise (actually I did think of Evangelion and its city of children and mysteriously absentee parents) - and I love that! and the unique approach to conflate it with this nebulously timeless but vaguely '70s horror setting

basically forks otm. very surprised at the thought that there's a puritanical subtext behind It Follows. but tbf i know nothing about the filmmaker's background. i didn't get that from the film at all, especially given the dark, depressing/ambivalent solution of the ending

Nhex, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 14:24 (1 week ago) Permalink

A lot of the best horror movies seem very flexible to contradictory liberal/reactionary reads.

Norse Jung (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 14:29 (1 week ago) Permalink

there is remarkably no slut-shaming

at long last the legacy of the original Black Christmas bears fruit

demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 15:17 (1 week ago) Permalink

I'm not talking about the filmmakers having self-loathing, I'm talking about horror fans compartmentalizing their vision of horror as the good kind and rejecting all the rest of it as crap or shameful. That cuts both ways, with people thinking that their mannered ghost stories are simply better than more extreme fare, or gorehound psychos fighting against subtle creepouts. I've staked my claim on my position on the shitty misuse of the term "torture porn" as a discredit to modern horror in general, so I won't go after that old saw, but sometimes horror fans are their own worst enemy.

― a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 07:46

But I did state I didn't think there was an inherently bad subgenre and that I liked some stuff from every style. Several of my favourite horror films are serial killer films.

I like genre tags but I think they often need to keep changing to be useful. "Horror" as a genre tag is often either too vague or not vague enough to carry all the associated things the fans enjoy.
The science fiction and horror magazines will cover each other's stuff plus fantasy and superheroes; I'd use these horror threads to talk about Dean Spanley or Donkey's Skin. I'd like it if a larger umbrella like "Speculative" or "Fantastic" caught on in films but it probably won't, especially as so many horror films are more or less realistic.

"Ghost Stories" covers all sorts of things, a large amount of the time not even involving ghosts but it doesn't fit enough modern horror.
"Monster Movies" was Dracula, Frankenstein but also King Kong, Godzilla, dinosaurs, robots, giant insects, aliens and even Planet Of The Apes. A lot of modern horror fans couldn't be bothered with some of that stuff, including myself. Monsters sadly aren't in horror films as much today.

The "Weird Fiction" tag gaining popularity has changed things in the past few years. The books are still under the same horror section but with the presentation now and the way the writers, editors and publishers have organized, it's more difficult to buy a book looking for supernatural stuff and ending up with what is basically violent crime stories. I think this is a good thing.

I don't think you can successfully divide up a genre because there's always so much crossover but getting more specific with compartmentalization helps. It taken me ridiculously long to learn that maybe looking for acclaimed "horror" films in general probably wasn't going to help me find what I wanted; I'm more of a supernatural horror/dark fantasy fan than anything and I really miss monsters. I think a lot if not most horror fans are looking for very different things.

I've seen "Horrorcore" used for modern gore/slasher stuff. I don't know if giallo and older slasher films are ruled out of that. Whatever the case, it shouldn't be surprising there's more crap films like this than there is of genres that require a lot more resources to pull off. Bela Lugosi films like Ape Man, Scared To Death and Black Dragons weren't gorey but they were surely easy to slap together.
I think gore stuff is generally dumber than the rest of the subgenres but then there's probably more dumb fantasy than science fiction, yet I vastly prefer fantasy.

If horror fans are their own worst enemy I think that has little to do with policing the genre styles than general low standards.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 17:07 (1 week ago) Permalink

What I'm taking issue with is the approach of "I don't like this therefore it is not good, and is the product of people that know it's not good". Especially when it leads to more ideas like writing gore stuff out of the horror genre, or sticking it in its own derisive named sub genre. Horror works best as a big tent imo - that doesn't mean I can't dislike tons of it, but it also doesn't mean that I get to choose that things I don't like ought to be excluded from the genre, or Balkanized into some weird "lesser lazy horror for creeps" category.

a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:53 (1 week ago) Permalink

To be fair I should have also quoted

"Robert Adam Gilmour
Posted: April 3, 2015 at 8:09:06 PM
It also makes me extremely uncomfortable thinking how I'd act around someone who made crap like that."

Which definitely raised my hackles a bit about what you're trying to say here.

a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 21:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

https://youtube.com/watch?v=e3hVmpGzl7A

Anyone else really excited by this trailer? I haven't been this impressed by a film trailer in fuck knows how many years.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 27 April 2015 19:02 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In case the link disappears it's Tale Of Tales by Matteo Garrone

Based on a 17th century collection of fairy tales by Italian author Giambattista Basile, the film weaves realistic and fantastical elements together into three different storylines, one of which involves Salma Hayek eating the heart of a giant beast. Vincent Cassel, John C. Reilly and Toby Jones also star.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 27 April 2015 19:07 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Gets a rave from P Brad at Cannes:
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/may/13/tale-of-tales-review-eat-your-heart-out-for-matteo-garrones-royally-nasty-fairytale

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 14 May 2015 11:34 (1 week ago) Permalink

i tried to watch some movie recently called like 'everyone loves mandy lane' or some shit with some hot blond girl

it was ok but the filter was awful

surm, Thursday, 14 May 2015 12:52 (1 week ago) Permalink

Ha pretty sure I bitched heavily about mandy lane upthread - just junk across the board, pushed forward on a wave of unreleased "will we ever get to see it hype". It's awful.

a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:14 (1 week ago) Permalink

yeah i didn't finish it

surm, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:14 (1 week ago) Permalink

who's the girl in it tho? is that Amber Heard?

surm, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:15 (1 week ago) Permalink

"All the boys love Mandy lane" btw. And yeah, pretty sure that's her.

a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:17 (1 week ago) Permalink

right. yeah. she's hot.

surm, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:18 (1 week ago) Permalink

Tale Of Tales by Matteo Garrone

dying to see this. probably the film i'm most anticipating this year, along with fury road and a pigeon sat on a branch doing whatever it is that pigeons do while sitting on branches.

a faded dose from rays gone by (contenderizer), Thursday, 14 May 2015 16:17 (1 week ago) Permalink

Good to hear it's supposed to be great but this is a case of nothing being able to put me off seeing it.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:00 (1 week ago) Permalink

That does look really awesome. I've never heard of Basile.

jmm, Thursday, 14 May 2015 18:03 (1 week ago) Permalink

What I'm taking issue with is the approach of "I don't like this therefore it is not good, and is the product of people that know it's not good". Especially when it leads to more ideas like writing gore stuff out of the horror genre, or sticking it in its own derisive named sub genre. Horror works best as a big tent imo - that doesn't mean I can't dislike tons of it, but it also doesn't mean that I get to choose that things I don't like ought to be excluded from the genre, or Balkanized into some weird "lesser lazy horror for creeps" category.

― a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 22:53

To be fair I should have also quoted

"Robert Adam Gilmour
Posted: April 3, 2015 at 8:09:06 PM
It also makes me extremely uncomfortable thinking how I'd act around someone who made crap like that."

Which definitely raised my hackles a bit about what you're trying to say here.

― a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 22:57

I didn't like Insides or Dream Home, but I thought they were basically solid and effective films. Just not for me. Chopper Chicks From Zombie Town and 2001 Maniacs are a different story.

"Horrorcore" is not a derisive label and I don't think it started outside fandom. Even "torture porn", "sleaze", "schlock" get used by fans who like all that stuff.

Again, I never said any genre is inherently bad, but some genres inevitably have way more bad than your average genre. If more Gore films were as good as Braindead and Insides, I wouldn't have been so harsh.

People are always excluding things from genres on this forum and on the comics section people mocked Avatar comics and Garth Ennis in a similar way. I probably sounded more dogmatic about it, so I guess that's why you responded.

I don't stand by what I said about purposefully separating horror. I like some venues to be as inclusive as possible but I think everyone draws the line somewhere in a certain context. And what constitutes exclusion?

Unless it's a democratic thing like a forum or a database or some expansive project with hundreds of contributors, nobody is obligated to include subgenres they have no interest in.
If some styles of horror are not represented in the Year's Best genre anthologies, some might complain about being excluded, but editors can only go on their personal taste and judgement.

Here are several subgenres that horror fans have complained are ruining things. In some cases I think it's justified to have some degree of separation. Even the most inclusive horror buffs do not enjoy all these equally or want all this in the same place on a regular basis.

- Paranormal romance. People who are in the horror book business complained about being suddenly swamped in paranormal romance. I think this stuff can legitimately be called part of the extended horror family but aside from Anne Rice and Poppy Z Brite, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of audience overlap. I think it's fair enough if people want the bookshelves separate.

- Domestic realist horror stories about bullying, mental health issues, rocky relationships, cancer and pedophiles. Sometimes there is a contrarian feeling about the inclusion of this stuff, as if to say "vampires and werewolves ain't scary, cancer is the real shit". I think these people miss the point about what attracts people to vampires and werewolves. I'm fine with people including The Hunt in their favourite horror films list but including these stories in horror anthologies along with the standard tropes is far too jarring for most people.

- Quiet obscurist horror with no ghosts, monsters, violence or even any clear indication or something supernatural or surreal. That sort of Aickman school of "What the hell happened? Did anything even happen?" is often taken away from the clear ghost story leanings of Aickman.

- Sadean porn. And then there are further divisions between aesthete decadence and stuff with more of a modern extreme hardcore porn sensibility.

If there was a fantasy/science fiction films thread here and all the superhero film discussion was there, I'm sure more than a few people would hate it.

You say horror works best as big tent but why not have a bigger tent with all the related genres? In some contexts I'd like that but in others it's just too much.
Some pieces of horror have far more in common with non-horror genres than they do with the majority of horror.
Reshuffling genres can be more productive to developing/following your interests and it creates new communities and possibilities.

The Weird/Fantastic resurgence is not actively rejecting realist horror because it's been around way longer than "horror" has and it never really included violent crime and even supernatural slasher stories probably wouldn't fit in.

There's a time and place for exhaustive inclusiveness. Like this thread, with the possible exception of superheroes, with the possible exception of Hellboy.

For whatever it's worth: Inception won an award for best film at a horror awards show.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 14 May 2015 20:12 (1 week ago) Permalink

I didn't like Dream Home

You are a terrible, terrible person.

a faded dose from rays gone by (contenderizer), Friday, 15 May 2015 02:38 (1 week ago) Permalink

Also, re Hal Jam upthread: I was mean to poor little Spring, and for that I should be sternly punished. But it really does suck. Charisma-free lead killed any effective romance potential, and the SPOILER's mythology was dopey af ("internet slang" for "as a fish-woman monster thing").

It Follows, otoh, worked just fine to me because I don't have any closely-held opinions about the relationship of today's youth to sexual dread. Except I figure that some degree of confusion and anxiety where such things are concerned probably comes w/ your standard-issue human condition. And I didn't see any implied, crypto-Christian sex negativity in it. I saw it instead as a movie about young people existing in a transitional state on the edge of suburban American youth's sheltering idyll. Sex is alluring but destabilizing and with it comes intimations mortality and difficult questions about one's potential place in a less-than-idyllic adult world. Plus fun and clever spin on traditional slasher film survival rules.

a faded dose from rays gone by (contenderizer), Friday, 15 May 2015 02:59 (1 week ago) Permalink

Dream Home was mostly interesting about modern Hong Kong and quite funny at times but not liking it isn't very damning. Not dislike exactly.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 May 2015 03:11 (1 week ago) Permalink

There are things that can never be forgiven.

a faded dose from rays gone by (contenderizer), Friday, 15 May 2015 03:15 (1 week ago) Permalink

horror is like fashion in terms of divisiveness tbh

surm, Sunday, 17 May 2015 12:14 (1 week ago) Permalink

For whatever it's worth: Inception won an award for best film at a horror awards show.

Good of them to recognize the truly horrible.

resulting post (rogermexico.), Sunday, 17 May 2015 16:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

Clown is a surprisingly serious horror drama about a man who becomes possessed by a demonic clown suit. It is not very good.

a faded dose from rays gone by (contenderizer), Sunday, 17 May 2015 16:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

^ 2014

a faded dose from rays gone by (contenderizer), Sunday, 17 May 2015 16:58 (1 week ago) Permalink

I'm let down by hyped up horror stuff like 98% of the time, but I was kind of blown away by It Follows. Beyond the central conceit (which I think is deeper and muddier than the puritanical sex negativity angle mentioned above) the cinematography, music, mood were just so expertly and smartly handled. Loved the period ambiguity too. I imagine (hope?) Mitchell has a bright career ahead of him.

circa1916, Monday, 18 May 2015 01:12 (6 days ago) Permalink

o boy i bet it's scary

surm, Monday, 18 May 2015 11:00 (6 days ago) Permalink


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