ok lets all shit our pants to something new: post 2005 horror film thread

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i just watched drag me to hell last night, and as a old school Raimi fanboy it was a ton of fun (srsly sam it is amazing how much mileage you can get out of the power of people/corpses/demonwhatevers vomiting on other people). Curious to find out how it worked for people that weren't kind of the target audience, esp the classic moments of Raimi complete set up nonsense (the best of which had to be the "well duh why not use these ice skates i was about to pawn on my suspended anvil" idiot lunacy).

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

anybody see any of the big remakes (last house on the left, whichever one rob zombie did this year, etc)?

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

drag me to hell was so great -- just rewatched but seeing it in the theatre was amazing what with everyone laughing & screaming simultaneously

elmo leonard (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think the only nasty cut-em-up flicks i like anymore come from france or asia, though the first 'hostel' and the first 'saw' were good. i have a ton of friends who are in the horror film community and they're all pretty cynical about it these days, everyone wants to turn shit pg-13.

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

no desire to see the halloween remake, but the trailer was fucking terrifying (i've long held that horror movie trailers are usually way scarier than the actual movie, you just get a succession of jumps and creepy images without any context or warning).

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

loved drag me... anyone seen paranormal activity yet?

or left bank?

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

the french stuff is just brutal, but its been some of my favorite stuff as well, im sure a bunch of the usual whiners are going to lump it into the totally dumb invented "torture porn" genre but it just has such a deep sense of misanthropic malice and self-loathing xpost

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

i have a ton of friends who are in the horror film community and they're all pretty cynical about it these days, everyone wants to turn shit pg-13.

― access flap (omar little), Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:09 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^ omar's friends

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

considering using my mod cheat powers to edit the title to include 2008 because so much great unheralded stuff came out last year

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

'inside' was just as rough thematically as it was in terms of gore imo, i.e. it's one of my favorite films of the past few years.

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

id make it the whole decade but i think that the hostel/saw/ring/rob zombie non remake stuff would just take over and we've talked about that a billion times already (i love all three of the originals, and will go to bat for hostel 2 as well)

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

me too hostel 2 is so underrated

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

really felt roth didn't want to cheap out with an easy sequel on that one

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

the saw series has turned into a joke imo

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah saw 3 was particularly awful

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

never seen a saw movie (i am okay w this)

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

I didn't really feel Hostel when I watched it - though that might've been because I'd watched Wolf Creek the night before which ten times more brutal and believable. Still haven't seen any of the Saws.

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

martyrs was the best horror movie I've seen in years. it's french torture porn, and then again, it's not... which is what makes it so great. it totally transcends the genre and I can guarantee you won't guess where it's going.

eden park was pretty good. not the greatest film ever made but a nice patch on the "hunted by locals in the woods" genre.

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

Eden Lake you mean? I liked that a lot, some bits haunted me for a few days. Such a dark ending!

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

duh, yeah eden lake

there are a lot of recent horror films I wanted to see that I haven't gotten around to. off the top of my head: teeth, the uninvited, embodiment of evil, dead snow... and I guess the haunting in ct now...

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

anybody repping for inside in this thread needs to see martyrs stat

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

paranormal is not that great. download it and see it at home. more of a living room thing than a theatre experience.

let them eat cankles (jeff), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

I wanna see nightmare, too. it's an older film that just got released on DVD, kind of low budget but looks promising.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0455983/

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh hey btw for the french horror heads, if you haven't seen frontier(s), thats pretty essential

Eden Lake is british, right? some great horror coming out of britain in the past few years, esp if you like a bit of comedy mixed with your gore (top recs would be Severance and Shrooms)

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

paranormal is not that great. download it and see it at home. more of a living room thing than a theatre experience.

― let them eat cankles (jeff), Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:33 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

really? how so? i would think it would be a quintessential movie theater movie!!

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

I liked Drag me to Hell. Also liked Jennifer's Body actually. I think a lot of good recent US horror has been genre pastiche/comedy (I'd include Hostel ii).
The French/Asian stuff is nice because it still does well playing the eeriness/bone-gristle straight. I've only seen the first 2 Saws but had to stop because why bother when there's stuff like Martyrs out there.

xcixxorx, Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

dead snow is pretty half-assed tbh

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

theres a foreign language film that is a great companion piece to Eden Lake that i can't remember the name of right now and it is killing me.

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

Eden Lake is british, right? some great horror coming out of britain in the past few years, esp if you like a bit of comedy mixed with your gore

Yep, it's British. Not many laughs though.

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

Just grabbed some new 80s movies to watch. Can anyone vouch for these?

Combat Shock
Demented
Don't Go In The House
Night of the Demon

let them eat cankles (jeff), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah wait, Ils (or Them) is the Eden Lake parallel. creeeeepy

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

haha yeah Eden Lake is def not chock full o' laughs

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

really? how so? i would think it would be a quintessential movie theater movie!!

Because...

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...it is pretty much just a Blair Witch clone and more fun than scary. For me, the experience was ruining by a theatre of 500 groaning teens.
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let them eat cankles (jeff), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

*ruined

let them eat cankles (jeff), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

combat shock is fucked up. also pretty interesting and pretty good.

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

thread title edit for the purposes of why not

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

In light of the new title I will mention Wolf Creek again.

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

dead snow is pretty half-assed tbh

yeah it looks totally cheeseball but I'm a huge shock waves fan so...

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

speaking of which, the aussies have def had a horror boom this decade as well xpost

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

for aussie film fans i def recommend this hilarious doc:

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

"The Descent" is still the scariest film of that time span. "Drag Me to Hell" was tons of fun, though essentially just a remake of "Night of the Demon." "Zombieland" was entertaining, but totally sloppy and lazy.

Aussie-wise, "Rogue" is an undervalued and very well made gem in the giant croc genre.

Just came across some Korean POV torture porn flick called "The Butcher," which from the look of it may be the most unpleasant movie ever made.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

WC is the only Aussie horror I've seen that I can recall. Recommendations?

xxpost

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

xp to jeff
I saw 'Don't Go In The House' last October. It has a nice gritty grindhouse vibe along w/ a Norman Bates type guy who uses a flamethrower instead of a knife.

xcixxorx, Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

Any good Japanese stuff from this period?

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's another Korean flick, but if you count "The Host" as horror, "The Host" is a blast. The director's "Memories of Murder," while slightly pre-2005, is worth seeing, too, though not really a horror film. More a serial killer procedural along the same lines as "Zodiac."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

Just grabbed some new 80s movies to watch. Can anyone vouch for these?

Combat Shock
Demented
Don't Go In The House
Night of the Demon

if you are in the mood to see one of the worst films ever made, you can't go wrong with the 1980 night of the demon

http://www.youtube.com/v/CryBPpYTWfk

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

so weird i was just going to mention memories of murder with that same caveat

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

memories of murder is almost on par with zodiac i think

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

At some point J-horror switched from ghost girls to low budget OTT 80's style gore. I'm not really keen on it.
One I liked was 'Exte' by the guy who did Suicide Circle about cursed hair extensions. Tonally a lot like Uzumaki & pretty fun.

xcixxorx, Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

the horror film 'the booth' is a very good japanese flick about a haunted DJ booth. not gory but i thought it was pretty spooky especially considering the setting.

access flap (omar little), Thursday, 22 October 2009 18:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

wait where is proxy streaming? not turning up on instantwatcher

Everyone is awful except you. Wait, no, you are also awful. (jjjusten), Tuesday, 12 August 2014 18:20 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I'm watching it on US Netflix now.

http://us.whatsnewonnetflix.com

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Tuesday, 12 August 2014 18:21 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

hmm maybe instantwatcher is going on the retirement list, lots of stuff has been sorta slipping through the cracks there as of late

Everyone is awful except you. Wait, no, you are also awful. (jjjusten), Tuesday, 12 August 2014 18:23 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

The first half of Proxy is excellent - like the chilly Hitchcockian thrillers you used to get loads of coming out of France in the eighties and nineties. The second hour is pretty by-numbers.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Tuesday, 12 August 2014 20:12 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I think once Netflix hid its expiration dates, instantwatcher lost its sense of purpose.

Speaking of Netflix, anyone watch The Reef, the Australian shark movie? People seem to like it OK.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 20:25 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I found it very drawn out and uninteresting.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 21:06 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

that is a perfect review of Proxy, too.

silent ouzo eclipse (Mr. Hal Jam), Wednesday, 13 August 2014 00:07 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

The realistic or semi-realistic shark horror film never really seems that promising to me, even though sharks are cool. All the Jaws films blend together in my memory, I'm not huge on them. I haven't seen Open Water, from the trailers it seemed very similar to Bruce Jones & Richard Corben's short comic "In Deep", which is amazing but I doubt that kind of story would be at feature length.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 02:19 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Open Water was great -- at least it was in the theater, where the blackness/sound made it feel pretty suffocating. I saw Open Water 2 (a totally unrelated film) on a plane and actually liked it, which says a lot, cuz it's pretty hard to like anything on a plane.

Black Water is very solid crocodile horror film. Recommended.

The Thnig, Thursday, 14 August 2014 16:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Open Water is the slow, based-on-a-true-story one with the abandoned scuba divers, right? That was great. But I keep getting it confused with things like Deep Blue Sea or Dark Water or Sharknado.

emil.y, Thursday, 14 August 2014 16:37 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

You are correct.

The Thnig, Thursday, 14 August 2014 16:48 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Open Water was great. The Reef, while well acted, was a slog.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 August 2014 23:13 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

"All Cheerleaders Die" isn't just the worst Lucky McKee, it might be the worst horror film I've seen this year. Fucking horrendous, I'll be mad about this for a while.

Everyone is awful except you. Wait, no, you are also awful. (jjjusten), Sunday, 17 August 2014 05:20 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah, it's bad. watched it the other day and wanted to post something here, but i've been dragging my heels lately, no good reason:

Another in a string of disappointments from Lucky McKee, and arguably his first complete failure. Where his previous films have stuck with fairly serious horror, this one tries a different approach, blending snarky high school comedy with dark fantasy and supernatural horror. Heathers and Mean Girls are obvious touchstones, but All Cheerleaders Die lands closest to 2009's justly-maligned Jennfer's Body. McKee and his writing/directing partner Chris Sivertson show no flair for or insight into the adolescent milieux. They simply run stock character types through a series of absurd happenings, spiking the familiar teen melodrama with goofy magical claptrap and a few jolts of tepid mahem. In the manner of McKee's more successful past efforts, All Cheerleaders maintains a strong feminist perspective and attempts to build a compellingly conflicted complex central character. Those elements do add some interest to the proceedings, but they can't salvage the misbegotten whole. The comedy isn't funny, and the horror never bites. The film's tonal inconsistencies may be 100% intentional, but regardless of what the McKee and Sivertson intended, the end result is more irritating than involving.

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Sunday, 17 August 2014 05:52 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

though i liked the woods and the woman, i say "string of diappointments" because may still towers over everything he's done since. the trend has been southerly since.

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Sunday, 17 August 2014 05:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I'm still most impressed by the woods and red, but I still hated this more than I can explain. So basically no matter which of his films you enjoy, you will hate this movie.

Everyone is awful except you. Wait, no, you are also awful. (jjjusten), Sunday, 17 August 2014 06:02 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

So thankful for this thread, because I had "All Cheerleaders Must Die" ready to go for a while, with the weird understanding that it was supposed to be good (despite a scan of some reviews which basically said, um, no it's not)). Obviously, as we've determined again and again, horror can be pretty divisive, and there are some really problematic movies that are worth seeing, and prestige movies worth skipping. But the animosity toward this one is pretty convincing.

What happened to the dude who made "Absentia?"

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 17 August 2014 12:01 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

He made Oculus and has another one coming soon.

Simon H., Sunday, 17 August 2014 14:31 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

More specifically, apparently he's adapting Gerald's Game.

Simon H., Sunday, 17 August 2014 14:51 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

ugh. really?

SEEMS TO ME (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 August 2014 14:55 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I saw Jug Face over the weekend. Some good performances and generally strong direction, but really, I demand more when the entire film hinges on the worship of a malevolent hole in the ground. Bringing in a cheap looking ghost to deliver exposition and fill narrative gaps didn't help.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 17 August 2014 19:05 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I liked Jug Face a lot for what it did do well, but am under no illusions about its overall cohesion.

before you die you see the rink (Jon Lewis), Sunday, 17 August 2014 23:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

INSIDE

Nasty as fuck to be sure and very suspenseful. Dalle made a striking villain. Good soundtrack.
BUT, just like Livid, the cgi really hurt it in a way that easily could have been avoided. The injuries the characters sustain makes their subsequent actions harder to believe.

Yes it was an extreme experience but I don't understand the praise placing it as a modern horror classic. I'd only recommend this to fans of miserable violent ordeals. I didn't get much out of it.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 18 August 2014 01:51 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

"miserable violent ordeal" is a viable niche these days, so..

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 12:24 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

...and speaking of, I just watched You're Next, a home invasion thriller from director Adam Wingard. Though I'm not typically a big fan of the subgenre, I enjoyed this quite a bit. It's slick, fast moving, and nasty enough to sting without ever sinking into the pitiless sadism that so often comes with the territory. The plot is as simple as could be. A wealthy family gathered in a labyrinthine mansion get booglerized by a pack of masked marauders. Throw in a bit of upper crust sibling rivalry for color, and we're off to the blood-spattered races. Developments I won't spoil here do complicate that scenario a bit, but the basic dramatic engine remains unchanged: hooligans hool, and our plucky heroine chops back, hard.

The Straw Dogs-style home invasion thriller has become a tired cliche in recent years, and some may fault You're Next for playing things so resolutely straight. Wingard and writer Simon Barrett do nothing to expand or reinvent the genre. They even ditch the class conflict that stories of this sort so often rely on for a bit of thematic depth. Instead, they amp up the us-vs-us dynamics of the family unit in peril, focusing as much on characters and relationships as they do on machetes and crossbow bolts. Which isn't to say that they slight the latter.

This is by no means a serious film. It's a crowd-pleaser, as they say, simple and ingratiating. It reminded me more of films like Scream and Deathtrap than the soul-scarring likes of Eden Lake and Funny Games. Unlike Lucky McKee, Wingard does a fine job balancing black comedy with full-blooded thrills, and manages to keep the tension at a nice, rolling boil pretty much all the way through. Not perfect by any means, and some of the fumbles are worse than others, but I had a genuinely good time with this one.

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 13:34 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Wingard and writer Simon Barrett do nothing to expand or reinvent the genre

Well, I wouldn't exactly say they do nothing, as what little they do is no small part what makes this movie worthwhile and fun. I wish they had spent a few minutes on an ending, because the movie ... has no ending.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 13:40 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Strange Colour...is now up on UK Netflix.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 17:02 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Contenderizer says '"miserable violent ordeal" is a viable niche these days"

This makes it difficult for me selecting films. I had ignored Gaspar Noe for years because that's all I thought the films would be, but I found Enter The Void unexpectedly touching, so I'm hoping the earlier films will have some of that magic. I love harrowing films to be more profoundly emotional, like Watership Down and Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

When I see the previews for new horror films, another problem for me is that too many are about ordinary people.

Sometimes I wish the horror genre had a different name and it would be easier to avoid stuff I didn't like so much. "Weird" is gaining some ground, "Dark Fantasy" is quite problematic and already has associations with other genres.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 18:27 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

imo it's the same with metal/heavy music
it'd be nice to have a better distinction but w/e

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 18:33 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

in both cases they keep trying to make "extreme" happen but then i just feel like an extra in a surge commercial which no thanks

Everyone is awful except you. Wait, no, you are also awful. (jjjusten), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 18:52 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Noe never bettered I Stand Alone imo.

Simon H., Tuesday, 19 August 2014 18:58 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I mean I'm up for pretty much any genre but there are only a handful of realistic horror films I really like. It can be a tad frustrating reading horror anthologies looking for supernatural weirdness but mostly getting murder/serial killer stories.

I wouldn't have thought heavy music and metal getting lumped together presented much of a problem. People map the genres so precisely that there is less chance of walking into the wrong room.

But there's always going to be stuff that is difficult to describe. I'm not sure I could call Martyrs a realistic horror film, and doing so might be a spoiler because in places it plays with your ideas of what is happening.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 21:34 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Sometimes I wish the horror genre had a different name and it would be easier to avoid stuff I didn't like so much. "Weird" is gaining some ground, "Dark Fantasy" is quite problematic and already has associations with other genres.

horror is an awfully big umbrella, especially nowadays. i prefer the weird and surreal to brutal extremities, and "dark fantasy" is fine by me, so long as it's closer to the company of wolves than twilight. because i'm particular, i find i have to do quite a bit of reading and listening to get a sense of what might be worth pursuing. which isn't to say i avoid stuff like the human centipede and martyrs, but at least i know in advance what i'm getting into.

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 00:42 (1 week ago) Permalink

I used to never watch trailers because some great films have bad trailers (most modern big budget films have shit trailers) but now I'm trying to cut back I'd prefer to use the help of trailers regularly. I should probably do the same with track clips for albums.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 13:12 (1 week ago) Permalink

BEYOND THE BLACK RAINBOW

If edited down this could have been really amazing. About an halfway through I thought I wasn't going to see anything to make this truly worthwhile, then wham, those melting hot images were stunning. The second half is a big improvement, with more lovely stuff going on.
I was totally not expecting the two really creepy bits and it was all the more unsettling for that. The second creepy bit was especially striking.

I was bored for most of the film (the early scenes in particular are way too drawn out) but those good moments were worth more than a lot of whole films I've seen recently.

Panos Cosmatos has got to be one of the most promising new directors out there. Keeping my fingers crossed he'll make tighter mood pieces in the future. As with a lot of the current directors I like, I hope he can let go of the retro stuff.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 24 August 2014 02:36 (1 week ago) Permalink

goddam, just lost a response :(

like you, i realized about half an hour, 40 min in that it wasn't going anywhere, didn't have anything on offer but surfaces. thing is, i dug the vibe & design so much that i happily accepted it on those terms. such a gorgeous, immersive nothing of a film. has to have been deliberately styled as "altered zones: the movie", though, right? triangles, videotape, drones, telepathy, ossified futurism. freaking rainforest wall decal. which sounds horribly contrived, but ambition and attention to detail carried it through. and yeah, the creepy bits! gave the 2nd half a nice jolt of wtf energy.

if you mean to include cattet & forzani among the promising contemporary directors who need to "let go of the retro stuff", i half agree. they & cosmatos at least manage to present a distinctive, contemporary POV through the retro shag. tendency to emphasize style above all else might be the bigger limitation.

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Sunday, 24 August 2014 06:44 (1 week ago) Permalink

Although I can fully appreciate retro works, I always feel as if carefully recreating an older style is not the best way to go. I think people should always try to extract the essential essences from the old things without trying to keep the era they were from.

So I have been very surprised that most of my favourite films of recent years have been retro works to some extent.
Berberian Sound Studio and A Field In England were relatively light retro, they weren't just set in an earlier period, they borrowed some recognisable style elements from earlier films. But AFIE probably owes much less to past films than anyone of the crop.
Amer and Strange Color Of Your Body's Tears carefully recreate a lot more. Refn using retro elements too.

I've heard that SCOYBT was advertised as "all style, no substance" but I'm taking that as a joke.
I have a major axe to grind about the popular definitions of "content" and "substance". Most people equate plot/character with the only meaningful substance to the extent that something like Iron Man or Stakeland gets regarded as deeper than Beyond The Black Rainbow. Which of course is horseshit.

Visuals and sounds can have as deep a substance as anything can.

As dull as the film was at points, it has a richness, immersiveness and beauty that few films ever approach. Surface is not necessarily superficial.

I saw Kate Bush's video for "The Sensual World" recently for the first time and it really blown me away. That's what visuals and sounds can do. Yes it has lyrics but you don't have to understand English to love this video.
Made me think I should be watching way more music videos. But it's hard finding good ones.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 24 August 2014 13:20 (1 week ago) Permalink

I would have liked SCOYBT better if it was as long as "The Sensual World."

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 24 August 2014 13:58 (1 week ago) Permalink

That's fair enough. I think it's too long as well. But it's still one of my favourites. I think Amer suffers more from being too long. The first segment is near perfect but the last two don't have as much to dwell on.

I really wish short films had a better platform to be seen from. Obviously there is YouTube and Vimeo and you can score a huge hit but rarely as big as a feature length film. Most of the really famous short films I can think of are animated.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 24 August 2014 14:22 (1 week ago) Permalink


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