IRL, I think there are very few cases where race and gender are immaterial to judgement. These are still 'differences that make a difference', and need to be taken into account when we make judgements. If they aren't, our judgements can't be fair. So I think the image of Justice wearing a blindfold is a rather silly one, and I also think that to call people 'racist' and 'sexist' -- if it just means they take race and gender into account -- is a wrongheaded criticism.
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shorthand = prejudice
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The thing is, choices and decisions and value judegements are necessary. We all need closure at some point. If everything is sub-judice all the time, it's chaos. And the context I most hear that phrase in is when the authorities gag the press, telling them they can report something because it's being judged. In other words, 'You can't judge this before I do.'
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He'll give it to everyone.
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Offtopic: Most people I'd met from India before college were the children of Muslim doctors immigrants. Why?
― Lil' Fancy Kpants (The K is Silent) (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 April 2004 18:10 (twenty years ago) link
no.. those two examples are equivalents. it would be racist to say "all asian women are unattractive"
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but you'd just be Friends, hawhaw
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Everybody ends up being part of that race eventually.
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Not so!!! I ain't hatin' on you playa!~ It's just a pet peeve, sorry if I overreacted. People throw the racism card around a little too freely, in my opin. We can't help our feelings, although with time and experience, the lucky ones may be able to change them. We can't make ourselves like or love or respect people we don't love, even if it's based on something like ethnicity. It's a shame, but it's not a crime. I think racism is what happens when you act on those feelings to deny people access to things they have an inherent right to, like housing or employment or access to commercial establishments and the like. No one has a right to my love or respect or lust even. It's a shallow person who defines things so categorically, perhaps, I don't find white women attractive, or something like that, sure. But it's not racist. There has to be a distinction between criminal behavior--which I think racism is--and unfortunate narrow-mindedness. That's all I mean. But in the case of someone who says, as you quote, I don't find Asian women attractive, while not necessarily racist, gives one pause to think he might also be racist in behavior. That could well be.
― Skottie, Tuesday, 13 April 2004 23:08 (twenty years ago) link
Especially when it comes to feelings and attraction... i mean - it's naturally such a subjective thing, anyway (like haw haw the way the girls all have the hots for me just because i'm so pretty etc.) - you'd file a lawsuit if someone doesn't give you a job because you're ugly!!
But I digress, of course, noone has the right to anybody's love or feelings - however, when things become so catagorical like someone saying "i don't find <race> attractive", implying that the race is the deciding factor in attractiveness. Well, of course i wouldn't put this person to jail and i can understand how thoughts like this could come about, it's not even necessarily "right" or "wrong" (love is a feeling), but i would certainly classify it as a racist thought.
― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 09:51 (twenty years ago) link