Sunset Boulevard vs Mulholland Drive

*drive home

should've seen ferris bueller I guess

I prefer Lost Highway over Mulholland Drive too...

To me, Lost Highway wasn't a "dry run" for Mulholland Drive, MD was more like a rehash of of LH with more boobs. I guess you could argue that more boobs automatically makes a movie better, but I don't feel so. Don't get me wrong though, I think MD is quite good (the scene in the theatre where the woman is singing "Crying" in Spanish is one of the best things Lynch has ever done), but since LH already had the exact same plot, and since LH is aesthetically more pleasing and structurally tighter (there's some scenes in MD that would've made sense if the movie would've been a pilot for a TV series, as originally intended, but in self-contained film they feel extraneous), it's not hard to choose LH over MD.

Tuomas it's like you didn't see Mulholland Drive at all.

the exact same plot?

I liked MD more than LH by quite a bit, but I did notice similarities between them.

MD is about Hollywood. Lost Highway is not.

they use some similar devices (like the big pivot point halfway through the story), but i'd say they use them differently and are about different things

I can't be arsed to type it all again, but I tried to explain the similarities between LH and MD in this thread. Here's the more relevant post:

My problem with Mulholland Drive is that it has the exact same the story as Lost Highway. Here's how it goes:

The main character gets jealous of his/her wife/girlfriend.
-> S/he kills her / gets her killed.
-> S/he can't bear the guilt, and escapes into a fantasy world, where their love story is purer, resembling Hollywood fiction. Also, s/he losts his/her memory of what has happened, but glimpses of the past are still coming through.
-> Ultimately, his/her fantasy won't last, and s/he returns to the the real world.
-> S/he kills herself / goes mad / is executed because of his/her sin.

The fact that the "dream" part of the film is the first half in Mulholland Drive, and the second half in Lost Highway, doesn't change the fact that the plot is very similar.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), 12. tammikuuta 2004 15:03 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

But yeah, I'm not saying MD and LH are totally similar, obviously there are some thematic and aesthetic differences, I just think they have the same basic plot, and LH did it better.

"Tuomas it's like you didn't see Mulholland Drive at all."

I'm not sure he saw Lost Highway (there are tons of boobs in that movie!!!)

Yeah, but not a lesbian sex scene.

You didn't specify more lesbian boobs.

in Finland, it doesn't count unless they're lesbian boobs

Straight from the big book of finnish boob rules.

girls aren't naked unless they're naked together

u americans are soooo uptight

I've touched a lot less boobs than I originally thought by finnish boob rules.

so are our boobs

I've touched a lot less boobs than I originally thought by finnish boob rules.

those were merely "chests"

(or as they say in Finnish: "lihaperäpukamat")

Oh I think my IKEA cabinet is called that.

IKEA chest

(or as they say in Finnish: "lihaperäpukamat")

Wtf, do you know what this actually means?!

I don't want to even ask how Dan found that word.

hahahahahahaha that worked better than I could have possibly imagined

(as an explanation, "meat/flesh" should be obvious but I translated "piles" without really thinking about what I was doing)

LOL

Oh, so it was just a mistranslation? I thought you'd actually found some very weird Finnish euphemism for "boobs".

Actually, in a way you have.

was originally going to go for "globes" but the Finnish translation had no umlauts

Amusingly lihamaapalloa would be translated as "meat earth" by google.

Meat Earth... from the Mind of David Lynch

This thread.

Q: Can the sun fall down to meat earth?
In: Astronomy, Planetary Science [Edit categories]

A: noe

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=jdh&q=lihaper%C3%A4pukamat&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

you guys, lol

congratulations, you googlewhacked ilx in finnish

SB.

MD is indeed a great film. But I have to vote for the Mother.
I like the topicality of SB, a cinematic assault in the waning years of the golden age. Wilder channelling the spirit of F.Scott Fitzgerald and Nathanael West. A product of the Hollywood studio machine, biting the hand that feeds it. A cathedral of ideas that are still being revised and revisited. It paved the way for for Chinatown, The Hudsucker Proxy, The Player, and Mulholland Drive. Truly one of the great collaborations in the studio system. Where would we be (in cinema) without it?

Which ideas are those?

I meant Barton Fink. Not Hudsucker Proxy. Sorry wrong Coen Brothers film.

The cathedral of ideas - Meta Hollywood, the Comeback, broken dreams, "It all started with a corpse" You know what I'm saying.

damnit, I thought an impassioned defense of the hudsucker proxy was impending

What ideas does Barton Fink engage with? I'm not being snarky. I don't find anti-Hollywood films a particularly fecund genre; they're fun and facile.

Hudsucker Proxy is a great, a comic symphony dedicated to the color brown

I'm not the right person to defend Hudsucker, and I wouldn't want to swerve from the SB vs. MD. I was just confused, and typed the wrong Coen Bros. title.

But Barton Fink engages, among many things, the meta- Hollywood Picture which SB is in spades. SB is THE MOVIE about the movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1s7EwOeowU&feature=related

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