Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

preordered Kugelberg has arrived

is it mainly photos/posters and stuff? not sure if I need to shell out the $$$ ... Does it come with a CD or something?

I went to Kugelberg's apt once to talk about some post-punk/DIY stuff, and in this one room where he had his record collection, or small portions of it, he had all these cabinets with 12" sized panels, and in each panel was a copy of the first Velvet Underground record. Perhaps different states of peeling, different pressings, different photo states on the back, I don't remember, it was pretty impressive though.

Blimey, how many have I got now? I have the UK original, the Banana one with a 97% intact banana, um.... Oh, an HMV box set version, a deluxe CDversion, oh and how many more...

Wow, mono White Light/White Heat from that Nuns Seawall blog is making me really happy. Of everything I've heard of theirs (Matrix excepted) that's the thing that most needs a legit release (and I kind of wonder why it hasn't happened already).

Yeah, not sure why they haven't followed up that deluxe VU&Nico from six or seven years ago with deluxe editions of White Light and the third album ... Maybe VU&Nico didn't do that well, since it didn't have any unreleased stuff on it?

i thought these would've come out domestically by now, but i scored Japanese versions a couple/few years ago of wl/wh, s/t, 1969 live, and V.U.
the only one that's not a big improvement is '69 live. both white light, and the velvet underground really sound noticeably "better"(IMO) than the mid-1990's releases. and v.u. sounds greatly improved over its original cd release

LPs? Yeah, I got the 3rd album, it was the only Valentin version readily available at the time.

Oh, and does the V.U. one have that intro on "Foggy Notion" snipped from the CD?

Hey, this is the trainspotting thread, innit?

I'll be picking up that singles box tomorrow from the postie!

Will report back tomorrow.

Oh, and does the V.U. one have that intro on "Foggy Notion" snipped from the CD?

I believe that this is only on the original 1985 vinyl pressing but I dunno about the new 4 Men one. It's definitely not on the '85 CD.

speaking of trainspotting, check out this alternate version of VU!

Pre-release cassette sent to radio stations contained what was to be the original version of the album, with different mixes and with Ferryboat Bill in place of Ocean (version different from the Another View one).

(from http://olivier.landemaine.free.fr/vu/index.html , a great resource)

Yeah, he actually bought "Sweet Sister Ray" off me!

yeah, that site is vu trainspotter heaven.

http://www.nypl.org/research/chss/pep/pepdesc.cfm?id=6084

a panel/talk...or something else?

25-minute "What Goes On" jam w/ Fricke on vocals? Where's Cale? (glad they're including Doug in this stuff, though! YULE RULES)

lol at "the Beatles of New York"

this is so weird.
I just compiled a bibliography of VU stuff available at libraries in my town for my reference class.
Now they are playing at the new york public library.

yeah, must be a panel. I really can't imagine them playing. I \mean, without Sterling.

maybe they'll do some stuff off of "Squeeze."

so going back to that "Retinal Circus" bootleg mentioned upthread -- it is definitely the uncut show from whence a great deal of the Live 1969 LP was drawn. So it's not new performances, but holy shit, it is like the best concert ever. it's weird though -- I wonder where it's actually recorded. In the Unterberger book, he attributes that stuff to the Matrix in SF. WILL WE EVER KNOW.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/218/459752039_ce58511f09.jpg

yeah iirc Live 1969 is part from the Matrix and part from Dallas (which is available as a whole and in better sound quality on the boot "End Of Cole Ave").

yeah, i was just wondering if the Retinal Circus tapes were actually from somewhere else. I guess they don't really sound like the Matrix Tapes sampler or the Matrix stuff on the Quine Tapes. Like, the audience is too enthusiastic! But I'm just bullshitting here.

I'll be picking up that singles box tomorrow from the postie!

Will report back tomorrow.

― Mark G, Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:13 PM (4 weeks ago)

xpost: did the posties off Mark G? i do'nt doubt that singles box sounds sublime. i keep looking at it every time i go to amoeba...

yeah! how is that?

i dunno if i ~need~ it, but it wants me to pray to its grooves.

http://www.dangerousminds.net/images/uploads/VULG_thumb.jpg
I like the way it looks ... That pic is the cover of the Kugelberg book, too. Look how Nico is grinning! Funny.

or i guess it's just the same session
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517o3N-4qLL.jpg

hey tyler I think 1969 Live is a different show than the Matrix. oh hell, gimme a second on the internet...

yeah, Quine Tapes has stuff from a buncha different November dates and also December, not just the Matrix but also the Family Dog and St. Louis.

for the breakdown on 1969 see here:

http://olivier.landemaine.free.fr/vu/discog/lps/usa/lpsusa.html

in 1st sentence there "Matrix" = "Quine Tapes"

Hiya.

Yeah, the singles box is a lovely thing.

I did have "All Tomorrows Parties" a while back, sold on ebay, for about twice the price of the box.

Then I went on and got the Pere Ubu singles box to keep it company, £15 or thereabouts.

http://olivier.landemaine.free.fr/vu/discog/lps/usa/vulpus_v-5008_backcoverstickered.jpg

This is very much like mine. (Peelable banana on the other side)

but what about the supposed alternate mix of "I Heard Her Call My Name"?!?!?

ysi?

ooh, yes puh-lease

+1 oh hai

confirmed, it's a "talk".

These days for Lou it amounts to the same thing.

Did you trainspotters see this? http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=333 I've actually never heard any 1993 stuff except the official release, so I'm kinda curious.

ordered the Unterberger and Kugelberg books from Amazon last nite. So psyched.

Was hoping NYPL event was going to be about invading skating rink with loud amps and intrusive microphones.

I have mixed feelings about the Unterberger book. I guess it's where you go if you want to know what they ate for breakfast on the third Tuesday of the month, and it is full of weird and sometimes fascinating little bits of trivia.

That said, it has the overall effect (at least for me) of making the Velvet Underground seem kind of boring. And he has this major fixation on the Live 1969 album, which has never been my favorite thing of theirs...

The Unterberger book is a bludgeoning thing, but I can't fault his love for the live album, which is easily my favorite official album release of theirs now.

but what about the supposed alternate mix of "I Heard Her Call My Name"?!?!?

I compared this with my original Verve mono, and it's a more 'fuzzy' mix, and the lead guitar may even be mixed slightly down.

Yeah, definitely can't fault Unterberger for praising Live 1969 -- it is the best live album ever imo. As for making the VU seem boring, I kinda like that about the book. There's definitely a de-mystification of the band -- it's fun seeing how a semi-popular group in the late 60s went about their day-to-day existence. But maybe that's just me. I'm just now getting to the end of it. It must've been horrible for Lou to put out his first solo album and have all the reviews say "man, the VU were so good, I wish this was a VU album"! After being generally ignored for the lifespan of the band, that would suck.

On-the-money review by David Keenan in last month's Wire of both books, effectively skewering the received wisdom that the VU were like a monochrome alternative to late 60s hippydom.

Time machine, anyone?
http://23.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_krdkn9t3mi1qa5w86o1_500.jpg

so far these books are GREAT. The Reed/Tucker intvw in NY ART is odd and wonderful though too short. And those photos!!

yeah I think I'm going to have to get it. Was trying to convince myself I didn't need a VU coffee table book, but I do, I do!

$30 and change @ Amazon.