i think he threw in LOADS in paris, as it goes, but the thing was mapped out earlier -- was meant to be published in, like, 1918 or something, but it was banned in britain etc.
― banriquit, Monday, 16 June 2008 21:34 (fifteen years ago) link
by this band I mean AR Kane btw
― I know, right?, Monday, 16 June 2008 21:36 (fifteen years ago) link
mike t-diva's list >>>>>>>>>>>> melody maker's.
― or something, Monday, 16 June 2008 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm surprised to see Shiva Burlesque on this list. I used to have that record and remember it had a beautiful sleeve but I can't remember what it sounded like. I think I enjoyed it somewhat, though.
A.R. Kane have frustrated me in the past because I've heard some really good stuff by them and then other things I didn't find interesting at all.
I used to have that Mary Margaret O'Hara record, too. It didn't leave much of an impression.
― Bimble, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 23:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Overranked: Sugarcubes, REM, Prince
Underranked: Talk Talk, Sonic Youth, Public Enemy
Voted for: 69 - AR Kane
― stephen, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 23:39 (fifteen years ago) link
i might listen to 69, y'all better have a good excuse for not voting HOLLIS
― Just got offed, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 23:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Certainly one record in this list placed approximately 27 places too low...
-- Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 16 June 2008 21:22 (2 days ago) Bookmark Link
yeah i agree the go betweens should be at #3
― electricsound, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 23:46 (fifteen years ago) link
88 was the year i started getting into indie. as a result i can't even be bothered voting for any of it.
y'all better have a good excuse for not voting HOLLIS
It's at #28.
― energy flash gordon, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 04:12 (fifteen years ago) link
bimble and electricsound my office plz
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:06 (fifteen years ago) link
I never heard that Shiva Burlesque record, but do remember that there was a minor flurry of interest in MM over some of the other stuff that came out on the same label (Nate Starkman). There was a certain mystique to it, I think all the bands had interesting names (Drowning Pool, Red Temple Spirits, err White Glove Test) and cool artwork (was Bruce Licher or involved with it?), but I never really followed up on it...
― NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Some warped part of me was tempted to vote for the Skinny Puppy rekkid, I certainly spent enough money of imported CD singles of theirs back in the day, and everything I recorded for about a year after I heard them was unlistenable synthesiser-through-fuzzbox noise.
Sometimes the obvious choice is the right choice though, I voted for "It takes a nation of millions..." I still listen to it quite often and it still rocks. "she watch channel zero" was the number that got me into it, I just about wore the cassette tape I had out on that track.
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:17 (fifteen years ago) link
I think all the bands had interesting names (Drowning Pool, Red Temple Spirits, err White Glove Test)
I have a Red Temple Spirits album! er "dancing to restore an eclipsed moon" (or something like that) I really like it, though I'd be quite hesitant to actually recommend it to anyone or anything like that. It's goth-psych that sounds like it was played by cro-magnon men, with intense, androgynous vocals that are somewhat "challenging". I pull it off the shelf a couple of times a year and heavy-rotate it for a week or so and always enjoy it loads. I've never met anybody else who can actually stand to listen to them.
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:25 (fifteen years ago) link
That makes it sound both hideous and awesome.
― NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Not saying they're the best, but the only records on this list that I've listened to again in the last 5 years are probably Talk Talk, Thin White Rope, Throwing Muses and the Go-Betweens.
― NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:46 (fifteen years ago) link
House of Love too actually, and I still get disappointed by it - they could have cobbled together something really solid with some of the tracks off the German album - Destroy the Heart, Nothing To Me etc. As it is, it starts off like a rocket and then sort of dies by track two.
― NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, never liked HOL. I did get that first album proper. Played once.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 10:53 (fifteen years ago) link
I used to really love HoL, had all of their records and everything. It's kind of hard to see what I actually saw in them now, they were a bit nowt-nor-summat in retrospect. Fontana version of "Shine On" still has it for me, I don't actually have anything else by them at present.
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh god Scritti or PE can't decide
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh and the only non-Birthday Party Nick Cave album I can wholeheartedly get behind.
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:09 (fifteen years ago) link
8. All About Eve - All About Eve = loling my knackers off
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Never understood how all about ever made it, either at the time or in retrospect. I knew people who absolutely loved them! There was NOTHING THERE!
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Melody Maker = Goth fanzine, is why
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Still, they were good on Top of the Pops that one time
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:18 (fifteen years ago) link
I ought to vote Butthole Surfers really if people are gonna be all gothtarded about this
Also if Bug was a single it might be in with a shout
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Maybe it's just cacky nostalgia but 1988 indie makes 2008 indie look like dogshite
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:22 (fifteen years ago) link
(xpost)I suppose?! I never understood the goth thing with them, I mean they weren't actually tr00 gothick, really, were they? If I'd been a goth, I'd have hated them for selling out and not using enough flanger on the guitars or something.
I don't think it it cacky nostalgia. indie '08 does seem to stay within v v narrow boundaries.
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:24 (fifteen years ago) link
I guess AAE were the proto-Evanescence or something really. Yeah they wasn't Gothick, but they were definitely Celine Dion for your goth girlfriend.
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Seriously there's like at least 15 albums here that are deathless.
I think it's cool that All About Eve covered a Mellow Candle song FUCKING HIPPIES!
― NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:29 (fifteen years ago) link
I never understood the goth thing with them
I think that singing on that Mission record semented the goth affiliation.
― NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Thin White Rope are another of the many bands on this list that deserve to win way more than the inevitably My Bloody Valentine bollocksy landslide.
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Oops, sement? x-post
― NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:36 (fifteen years ago) link
They covered a Trees song as well, didn't they? "Garden of Jayne Trelawney", I think. I kind of want to like them, just to be contrary, but the couple of tracks I just played on Youtube, the only memorable thing is the duff lyrics. Julianne Regan's britpop band (yes, I KNOW) "Mice" had a decent single that I still play, but the album was weak.
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:36 (fifteen years ago) link
She would've had a decent voice to do folk-rock, but the rest of AAE were MOR hacks of the most cackhanded kind.
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Obviously I'm hoping the mode lurker vote is for the ILM-acclaimed critically-lauded utterly-unprecedented "most daring album ever", but maybe that's too much to ask for.
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:38 (fifteen years ago) link
(xpost) yeah, all these tracks sound like folksy test card music with someone doing vocal warm-up exercises over them! NO TUNES. NO GROOVE EITHER.
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh yeah, Trees! See, I want to like them in hindsight too, but it's like trying to get stiff with a porn mag you've found in a pond.
― NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:40 (fifteen years ago) link
They remind me of, ergh, what's that crappy sub-fleetwood mac neoprog band that classic rock used to prop all the time...er...
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:41 (fifteen years ago) link
mostly autumn! Terrible.
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Also the twatting Wonder Stuff placed above Nation of Millions, 1988 indie already proudly marching towards the apartheid years.
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Another thing that used to amaze me! All the props that band got! They were total shit! "Miles Hunt, the great songwriter of our time" How come I can't remember a single one of their tunes then? And I can remember a couple of Skinny Puppy's "tunes" (cough) quite well?
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:45 (fifteen years ago) link
I thought I just remembered a Wonder Stuff tune but it was a Kingmaker one.
Miles Hunt was yr OG racist indie cockwad, eh?
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:47 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't recall the racist bit, what I mainly remember was the weird passive-aggressive thing he had about running their single videos down and suchlike. The album title was laughable - "8-legged 'groove' machine" - "Groove" lololololoool they were surely the unfunkiest, most rythmically plodding band EVER
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:49 (fifteen years ago) link
Well I was stretching racist to include seething condemnation of any music remotely connected with black influences ever so yes.
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:50 (fifteen years ago) link
i.e. 'Who Wants To Be The Disco King?'?
― NickB, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:53 (fifteen years ago) link
This is the dude who also "ironically" called for the execution of Rick Astley for making records that people actually liked.
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Aside from the Mission thing, a lot of the AAE goth tag came from the first single on 4AD when Julianne still worked for ZigZag, and was a total Xymox pastiche.
― aldo, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 12:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, dressing up like Goths.
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 12:03 (fifteen years ago) link