Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

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But yeah, the "Beginning" with Cale is mentioned in the Unterberger book - recorded at the "Mr. Rain" session apparently? With "fuzz bass"? There was talk of it appearing on a projected WL/WH "deluxe edition, I think. Which never came out obv.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

LOL, yeah, obv.

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

But ... maybe now that this singles set has come out, there's a chance of more VU material coming out officially? I think I read that Lou wasn't into having any more live stuff come out.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hmmm, so I'm listening to this "Retinal Circus" VU show -- and I'm pretty sure some of these takes are the same as appear on Live 1969. Haven't a/b'd them or anything. It's an uncut tape of the show, though, which hasn't circulate as far as I know ... I think that those songs were thought to be from the Matrix, wonder what the deal is! MYSTERY. Sounds great, anyway.

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeh, the wh/wh posted above is the same as the version on the live 69 album

zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

er wl/wh

zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, same w/ "heroin", "what goes on", "new age" so far. it's funny to hear these songs w/ audience applause -- on 1969 they cut off almost immediately, sort of giving the impression that the VU was playing to barely anyone. But here they've got a totally enthusiastic crowd. And why not, considering the godlike awesomeness of this "What Goes On."

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

so I'm fairly certain that these are ALL tracks from Live 1969, albeit in unedited form ... Maybe "Some Kinda Love" is different? Not sure.

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 22:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

interesting... now that u mention it the track times look very similar.

sleeve, Friday, 16 October 2009 23:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

going to John Cale talk at MoMA monday!

dan selzer, Friday, 16 October 2009 23:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

What? Nobody told me about it.

so hongro so aggro (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 17 October 2009 00:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh, I see.

so hongro so aggro (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 17 October 2009 00:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

OK, I'm there.

so hongro so aggro (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 17 October 2009 00:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

John Cale talk is being postponed. Very sad.

dan selzer, Sunday, 18 October 2009 17:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

What was he supposed to talk about? Something specific, or just the Art of Being John Cale?

tylerw, Sunday, 18 October 2009 19:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

Sweet Jesus "Venus in Furs" sounds amazing here!

Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 18 October 2009 20:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

check the moma website under "Looking at Music 2". I think it as mostly about some art instillation/film he's got in the Venice Biennual now or something?

dan selzer, Monday, 19 October 2009 00:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

I was hoping he was going to talk in Welsh, about being Welsh.

oater to oxidation (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 October 2009 00:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think he was going to interview Joe Walsh, about eating Welsh Rarebit.

dan selzer, Monday, 19 October 2009 02:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

Cale and Walsh need to restart their long-dormant collab Walsh Rarebit ... shit was off the hook.

tylerw, Monday, 19 October 2009 02:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

ahem ILX user tylerw please report to the "five jazz album runs" voting thread

sleeve, Monday, 19 October 2009 02:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

Damn, gotta check out that Unterberger book. Boring writer but his subject matter's always interesting.

Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 19 October 2009 05:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeha, often when Unterberger inserts an opinion into his Velvets book, I find myself disagreeing with him. But as a reference, and as a history of the band, I think it's unparalleled. Also, tons of great photos/posters/ephemera, stuff I'd never seen before. And I appreciate that he has in fact listened to the bootlegs, which a lot of writers before him don't seem to have done. In general he doesn't seem too down with the experimental side of the group, even though he does give plenty of space to Cale's pre-VU work, as well as Angus MacLise, which is nice.

tylerw, Monday, 19 October 2009 14:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

There's no way I am gonna be able to finish reading it, tbh.

Trip Maker, Monday, 19 October 2009 14:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

OK, so I'm familiar with the differences between the original "closet mix" of the 3rd LP and the Valentin (sp?) mix that was put out in the 80's reissue series. I know that "Some Kinda Love" is a different take altogether on the Valentin one. My trainspotter question is: which mix does the recent 4 Men With Beards reissue have? "Cause I already have an original closet one and am kicking myself for not picking the alternate mix up a few years ago when it was cheap.

sleeve, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 06:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

4M reissue has the Valentin mix.

willem, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 08:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

awesome, thanks.

sleeve, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 08:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

Think I prefer the Valentin mix, tbh. At least, the take of "Some Kinda Love" is superior.

tylerw, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 13:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

preordered Kugelberg has arrived

Snop Snitchin, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 15:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

is it mainly photos/posters and stuff? not sure if I need to shell out the $$$ ... Does it come with a CD or something?

tylerw, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 16:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

I went to Kugelberg's apt once to talk about some post-punk/DIY stuff, and in this one room where he had his record collection, or small portions of it, he had all these cabinets with 12" sized panels, and in each panel was a copy of the first Velvet Underground record. Perhaps different states of peeling, different pressings, different photo states on the back, I don't remember, it was pretty impressive though.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 17:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

Blimey, how many have I got now? I have the UK original, the Banana one with a 97% intact banana, um.... Oh, an HMV box set version, a deluxe CDversion, oh and how many more...

Mark G, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 18:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

Wow, mono White Light/White Heat from that Nuns Seawall blog is making me really happy. Of everything I've heard of theirs (Matrix excepted) that's the thing that most needs a legit release (and I kind of wonder why it hasn't happened already).

dlp9001, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 21:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, not sure why they haven't followed up that deluxe VU&Nico from six or seven years ago with deluxe editions of White Light and the third album ... Maybe VU&Nico didn't do that well, since it didn't have any unreleased stuff on it?

tylerw, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 21:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

i thought these would've come out domestically by now, but i scored Japanese versions a couple/few years ago of wl/wh, s/t, 1969 live, and V.U.
the only one that's not a big improvement is '69 live. both white light, and the velvet underground really sound noticeably "better"(IMO) than the mid-1990's releases. and v.u. sounds greatly improved over its original cd release

outdoor_miner, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 22:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

LPs? Yeah, I got the 3rd album, it was the only Valentin version readily available at the time.

Mark G, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 22:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and does the V.U. one have that intro on "Foggy Notion" snipped from the CD?

Mark G, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 22:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hey, this is the trainspotting thread, innit?

I'll be picking up that singles box tomorrow from the postie!

Will report back tomorrow.

Mark G, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 22:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and does the V.U. one have that intro on "Foggy Notion" snipped from the CD?

I believe that this is only on the original 1985 vinyl pressing but I dunno about the new 4 Men one. It's definitely not on the '85 CD.

speaking of trainspotting, check out this alternate version of VU!

Pre-release cassette sent to radio stations contained what was to be the original version of the album, with different mixes and with Ferryboat Bill in place of Ocean (version different from the Another View one).

(from http://olivier.landemaine.free.fr/vu/index.html , a great resource)

sleeve, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 00:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, he actually bought "Sweet Sister Ray" off me!

Mark G, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 00:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah, that site is vu trainspotter heaven.

tylerw, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 00:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

http://www.nypl.org/research/chss/pep/pepdesc.cfm?id=6084

a panel/talk...or something else?

dan selzer, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

25-minute "What Goes On" jam w/ Fricke on vocals? Where's Cale? (glad they're including Doug in this stuff, though! YULE RULES)

tylerw, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

lol at "the Beatles of New York"

tylerw, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

this is so weird.
I just compiled a bibliography of VU stuff available at libraries in my town for my reference class.
Now they are playing at the new york public library.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah, must be a panel. I really can't imagine them playing. I \mean, without Sterling.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

maybe they'll do some stuff off of "Squeeze."

tylerw, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

so going back to that "Retinal Circus" bootleg mentioned upthread -- it is definitely the uncut show from whence a great deal of the Live 1969 LP was drawn. So it's not new performances, but holy shit, it is like the best concert ever. it's weird though -- I wonder where it's actually recorded. In the Unterberger book, he attributes that stuff to the Matrix in SF. WILL WE EVER KNOW.

tylerw, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

tylerw, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah iirc Live 1969 is part from the Matrix and part from Dallas (which is available as a whole and in better sound quality on the boot "End Of Cole Ave").

sleeve, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

Believe there is another thread about that.

Gallucci Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 11 October 2013 16:20 (6 months ago) Permalink

But surely we need to spread the word that there is a free flexidisc with every initial order from the website. I think it may be a track inside the package already but just think, rarity free with every £54.99 plus p+p spent there.

Stevolende, Friday, 11 October 2013 17:56 (6 months ago) Permalink

While stocks last !!!!!

Stevolende, Friday, 11 October 2013 17:56 (6 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

This is where The End of Cole Ave once stood. This is where much of Live 1969 was recorded. *sigh*

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 27 October 2013 23:02 (5 months ago) Permalink

"much" = less than half?

what's worse, that pic or this one?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 27 October 2013 23:37 (5 months ago) Permalink

sorry, "some" or "a chunk" or "the best songs from".

I never listen to 1969 anymore. Listen to the boot of the End of Cole Ave show instead.

IS that the Matrix? I couldn't bring myself to go by there when I was in San Francisco last week.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 27 October 2013 23:50 (5 months ago) Permalink


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