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that my favourite mixes dont actually exist probably isn't relevant...

― prima fassy (mwah), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:17 (twenty years ago) link

what wold they be if they did? this is more interesting than arguing, btw

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:27 (twenty years ago) link

This perceived "edgy-via-plebian" ethos was to blame for grunge, too, unless I miss my guess! I have both "Gold Teeth Thief" and "Minesweeper Suite " (the former, o base hypocrisy, on a burnt CD strongo sent me, though without it I'd never have looked into \Rupture at all prob'ly) and think they're wonderful but quite different from their sources: intentionally distant from them somehow: but I think the distance is for me best articulated by the distance between psychedelic rock and mainstream rock of the late '60s (13th Floor Elevators = \Rupture; Janis Joplin = L'il Jon). I suspect this analogy will only work for me until I bear it out a little further, which I probably won't do. But the point is that the aloof party, the one whose work seems somehow to look askance at its source, enriches the source: which is not to say that the source "needed" enriching (i.e., is not "smug") but only that such were possible

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:37 (twenty years ago) link

well that's why i like rupture. he doesn't so much connect things as utterly recontextualise them. it is absolutely impossible to further enrich contemporary dancehall and anyone who tried or said they were going to would deserve a sound kicking in my book, but rupture does't do this - he makes it different by both association, juxtaposition, the works. even if you don't like him, you have to give him a small amonut of respect as a good, thoughtful craftsman.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:45 (twenty years ago) link

now, looking at the top of this thread, soulx are a LOT more smug than rupture, there's an attitude of "aint we clever, we can make anyone dance to any old shit", fashion-posing - with rupture you get none of the sarcastic "irony" and, crucially, his records sound *believeable*, you can tell he loves the stuff he's playing.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:49 (twenty years ago) link

that was soulwax, btw

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 12:49 (twenty years ago) link

"points off for not finding the actually dancehally 'light yr ass' flipmode rmx"

I stopped reading after this.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:23 (twenty years ago) link

And not just because I was busy downloading it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

I would like to hear what Prima's ideal mix is as well. Or if not ideal, adequate...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 16 April 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah Soulwax are why I think even proven smugness isn't a great sin - the joke's on them not us cos their tossed-off contemptuous party mixes are about 10000,000,000,000 times better than their real actual music/mixing.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:13 (twenty years ago) link

They sort of raise the queasy question of whether "Can we redeem this?" is ever a valid qn for a musician or selector to be asking. The hardline anti-irony position would be: no.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:14 (twenty years ago) link

tim, you really make some interesting points. how about:
I always wonder if he's deliberately avoiding allowing a groove to roll because to do so would allow it to be "just" dance music or pop music or whatever rather than some sort of profound cross-cultural collision wherein the records can "speak" to eachother

i think sometimes rupture is doing this; i don't find allowing a groove to roll to be inherently superior to setting one up only to fuck it up, or vice versa. to the first point, the first half of gold teeth thief seems to me to be completely danceable throughout, though you do have to shift the style a few times to keep up. i think on the larger level what rupture's better mixes are saying is that these extra-musical structures mirror the structure of dancing (or the dance-listener's activity) naturally; ie the crashy noisey jungly bits mirror when you hit a tune you can't help but keep turning up or the dj keeps amping things up at the crest of the night.

on the other hand i think rupture also knows and interacts with the fact that most people listening to his music are doing so while chained to their computers, driving around, sitting at home, etc; places where the implication of dance is pleasurable but the mind is also free to engage with the transitions, connections, and disconnections he creates.

that might be a bit of having it both ways but it's why i find him fascinating. the 'diaspora' stuff is a red herring, why shouldn't a dj reflect his own tastes?

on a musical note: that dabrye track is hot. it's a nice bite of dj quik's style with more bassy techno to it.

― rgeary (rgeary), Friday, 16 April 2004 16:36 (twenty years ago) link

My take is that at least in the past /rupture heard and drew out a diasporism that ALREADY EXISTED and so yeah its like hearing a joke explained, but its also like hearing dj mixes that you feel the artists wanted in the *first place* but no other dj was willing to give them. I mean he likes this stuff, he hears how it fits, he makes it fit! Also the whole adding drillcore beneath aaliyah, etc. was something that party djs were doing for years anyway!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 16 April 2004 17:32 (twenty years ago) link

has anyone here checked rupture live? i have several times. he's very good and does allow people to dance, more flowing than the mix cds, longer mixes, slower transitions coz he has more time. the cross-cultural "conversational" aspect of his sets/mixes is always interesting, but not suffocating. in this context he lets each element breathe a little more. the diasporic thing isn't necessarily a red herring rob and the question should be: why is this something to be sneered at? (answer: it isn't, obviously).

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

he says he changes style completely depending on the crowd. in the States (where i saw him) he plays more upfront; in France he says he can do straight beatless noise and people love it.

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Friday, 16 April 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago) link

not entire sets of noise, just big undanceable chunks as in GTT.

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Friday, 16 April 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i've seen him in nyc, spain and london.... v different material wise but not as *fast* re transitions connections etc as his recorded mixes. any way i'm off out, see ya

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 16 April 2004 17:49 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...

So has anyone heard Special Gunpowder yet and does anyone else think that this http://www.cmntours.org.uk/tours/streetmusic/programme.html
looks rather good? Worth 12 squids?

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:11 (nineteen years ago) link

So has anyone heard Special Gunpowder yet

explain.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i interviewed him about all this stuff on sunday night. he's a good guy: smart, interesting and not at all po-faced. special gunpowder is a very strong album with several stand-out, diamond tracks, veering between spoken word, bug-style cod dancehall (but more a lot more fun than k.mart), barrio funk, hiphop, noise and folk. i love it, though i daresay it will be slagged off around these parts. the tour should be well worth checking out.

― stelfox, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:52 (nineteen years ago) link

After countless compilation appearances, remixes, and DJ mix CDs, it's startling that DJ /Rupture has arrived at his debut album only now. Taken in by raggamuffins, punk technoids, indy hipsters, junglists, peers, and austere critics alike, he is the new face of urban music-- the potent sound of genre-bending and overcrowded city life, a post-cultural broken mirror that mashes hiphop, techno, reggae, Afro-Cuban, spoken word, bohemian rhapsodies, folk music, chansons, breakbeats, avantgarde noise, and jazz through the strainer of a DJ's mentality.
Concentrated and exhilarating, Special Gunpowder is a declaration of musical independence, an intimate and complex work where pop sensibility leaves the comfort zone to explore new directions. In short, Rupture has traveled a world of sound to create one of the most soulful albums by an electronic producer in years. Rupture is as confident with studio gear as he is behind the turntables, and not one to shy away from multi-culturalism; the album contains lyrics in three languages (English, Spanish, and French). He sessioned with Western and Arabic musicians in his Barcelona studio. There isn't a turntable in sight. (A little known fact: before he left NYC for Spain, Rupture played in a band with eight-time Grammy winner Norah Jones.) With guest appearances by Ghislain Poirier and Kit Clayton, vocals by Sister Nancy (the cut "Little More Oil" has been licensed to SoulJazz for a 12-inch), Max Turner (Puppetmastaz), Arnaud Michniak (of French cult experimental rock band Programme), ragga heavyweights Junior Cat, Wayne Lonesome, and Wicked Act, Eugene Robinson (of Bay Area avant-metal group Oxbow), and poet Elizabeth Alexander, Rupture brings together connections only he could have foreseen. Special Gunpowder is a major statement from one of the most forward-looking producers and DJs around

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:53 (nineteen years ago) link

okay i just looked it up.

wow, is "mole in the ground" a cover (or - barf - an "interpolation") of the old folk song?

xpost.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Cheers for that dave - can't wait for the record.

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 10:57 (nineteen years ago) link

it's a bit of both, jess. the standout track on the album is the clubfoot mix of "musquito". i've played it about 30 times in the past week, no joke. where would you go to see him myke?

― stelfox, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 11:02 (nineteen years ago) link

btw, the tracks with sister nancy etc knock that shitey exploitative, opportunistic wall of sound comp into a cocked hat all by themselves.

― stelfox, Wednesday, 22 September 2004 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

royal festival hall most likely

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 11:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Sister Nancy! I can't wait.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

This sounds totally over-baked, but it might still be good.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

On first listen, Special Gunpowder sounds excellent. Lot of dancehall flavor, and that opening spoken word piece about Philadelphia and watermelons is great.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I am definitely going to pick this up.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:06 (nineteen years ago) link

so, should i go pick up Special Gunpowder today? i haven't really seen any reviews (i also haven't been looking)

i really liked that last thing (the Rupture / Mutamussik split), but after a few listens, didn't like it anymore. i think it mostly had to do with the Mutamussik half?

― JaXoN (JasonD), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

get it and then give it to me.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Get it, well worth the cash. There are a surprising amount of full fledged songs on it. It's probably the most accesible thing he's done, but there is still plenty of diversity through and through.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link

It is excellent, super good, really diverse and really thoughtful, I love the amount of restraint he shows in when to go hard n heavy and when to let the vocalists lead, it's awesome. But I would say that about any record that samples Sudden Infant.

― Drew Daneil, Monday, 11 October 2004 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay I'm fuckin' sold. I'll buy it this week.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 11 October 2004 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm only 7 tracks in (had to pause to watch the Surreal Life). it's pleasant, but definitely underwhelming. i didn't realize that this was all produced by him and not another mixcd. doesn't he have other pseudonyms for this kinda stuff (nettle? i dunno i've never heard it)? i'll report back after i listen to the whole thing, but maybe i just like his tastes in music better than i like the music he makes? (diplo?)

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone know if there's anywhere a guy in montreal can get this?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link

i bought mine at the http://aquariusrecords.org/ store. it's not on their site yet, but they just haven't reviewed it yet. i'm sure you could email & inquire. US$15

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmmn. Okay this is good, but I can't shake the feeling that it would be better if he'd maybe cut down the # of collaborators and just concentrated on one or two vocalists or styles. Cuz damn this record is all over the place. The 4 best tracks (Sister Nancy, the latin #, the French click hop # and the Shockout track I have on 12" already) sound almost nothing like one another.

I also wish these guys (Rhythm & Sound, /rupture, Bug) would just do whole albums with forgotten dancehall singers/deejays like Cornel Campbell, Cutty Ranks and Sister Nancy. It's a win-win people! These folks are way better than most of their vocal collaborators (excepting Rhythm & Sound who get pretty good talent all around) and I have no idea what Ranks and Nancy are doing these days, but I can't imagine they would chafe at the idea at making new fans (esp. since none of these folks has torn up the charts in Jamaica in years.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

This is one of the best threads I've seen, practically a mindsweeper's suite its own self (and not to be confused with a brainwasher's suite). Never seen this kind of album discussed with such concentration of all contributors. So, how does Rupture (also Soulwax, anyone else) compare with say Avalanches, or Jason Forrest (especially him)? I really like Freelance Hellraiser, Freelance Hairdresser, not so much Richard X's album overall(pace Annie from Norway and some other elements), also like Soulwax's re-re-mix of Shadow's "Six Days," and my fave comp now is Toop's HAUNTED WEATHER, but the only mash-up album, or closest to it, that I've heard is Avalanches. What's the best Rupture or other that I should start with (and what about Jason)?

― don, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Get Gold Teeth Thief. It's probably his best mix (and one of my favorite mixes ever.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

alex, i've found that the diversity of vocalists settles into a strength after a lot of spins through. the beats connect from one track to the next in really clever ways and it does gel into a coherent whole. i would definitely love love love it if rupture et al would do full albums with these neglected vocalists, i think that would be fantastic too.

― metonymus prime (rgeary), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i like this but somehow i fucking scratched my copy the second day i got it

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

i think it's really boring

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I also got the Tigerbeat6 Shockout compilation this weekend and it's quite good as well (although perhaps it might be somewhat same-y for some people) and a pretty good buy for people who didn't want to shell out for the original 12"s (which are still in print actually.) I wish they had included the instrumental on a couple of tunes though (the Soundmurder/SK-1 remix for example.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 01:17 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

http://www.residentadvisor.net/photos/bar050617richi/P1010756.jpg

― I'm bad and dirty and going to hell (nordicskilla), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...

I've got his Resonance FM Post Election Mix, Low Income Tomorrowland, and some other one with a weird title. It seems like there are at least a couple moments in each that work really well and I end up listening to at least one a week -- the resonance fm mix was on heavy rotation in my car for a while last winter.

Is there anyone else out there who really likes rupture's mixes?

― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

yup!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Hell yea, I even love just throwing the cut up mixes on the ipod. Its wonderful when one of the mixed tracks comes on. Like the sade/dancehall/breakcore track.

The mole track on Special gunpowder is also a standout.

Check out his blog:
http://www.negrophonic.com/words/

he is into sleep and doom metal now as well!

― hector (hector), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Some amazing stuff on this:

http://www.sonar.es/alacarta2006/alacarta_eng.htm#

I'm pretty excited about the Maga Bo mixtape that's supposed to be out sometime this month. I saw him at the Rickshaw a couple of weeks ago and he did an amazing DJ set (total grime/senegalese hip hop/snap/baile funk mashup.) Apparently /rupture will be doing a set there next month as well (for the same night, some Six Degrees related thing.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 2 February 2007 00:36 (seventeen years ago) link

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