Monty Python's Flying Circus - Classic or Dud?

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"And Gilliam, being American, went to no known school whatsoever." Heh.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 10:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

Very nicely done, sir. :)

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 10:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

(One quibble -- his answer about Life of Brian is disingenuous. It hardly matters that Jesus also appears in the film. The film mercilessly makes fun of the New Testament in many places -- its inscrutable language, its impossible instructions -- and worse yet, it points out the solid fact, as its premise even, that Jesus was one of many prophets who were hanging 'round at the time, and perhaps suggests that Jesus' choice as the one messiah was more or less arbitrary. idle knows all this. But I suppose to really answer the question would be to start a theology debate, which he likely is not interested in doing. So why address that question at all?)

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

That Palin + Cleese vs. Muggeridge + Bishop of Southwark confrontation is classic though, not that Palin contributes much

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

palin very nervous, as opposed to cleese seeming like he's been looking forward to it his whole life.

Brewer's Bitch (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

He comes across as a guy you wouldn't want to fall out with

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

Cleese? or Idle?

Mark G, Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

Cleese/Fawlty

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think I saw Palin say that he was very angry about it all and had a selection of excellent debate points prepared, but then Cleese started with the jokes and he didn't know what to do with his serious arguments.

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hard not to resort to humour when confronted with Mervyn Stockwood, the gayest Bishop in Christendom

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

He comes across as a guy you wouldn't want to fall out with

Apparently not even being Cleese's friend from college age, and his longtime professional partner, and then dying suddenly and very sadly, will save you from his scorn.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't know if that makes him a bastard cocksucker or not, though. It probably is, in fact, quite difficult to work with someone who, though brilliant, has no work ethic at all and actually has the shakes if made to work for long hours.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

No, can't be too critical of someone who has to work with an alcoholic

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

He comes across as a guy you wouldn't want to fall out with

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), 13 October 2009 11:09 (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Cleese? or Idle?

― Mark G, 13 October 2009 11:11 (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

God

Brewer's Bitch (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

xp It does seem rude of him, though. Why say those things? Why bother at this point?

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, look what he did to poor old Graham Chapman :( (xp)

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

^ God, that is, not Cleese... or Idle

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

Apparently not even being Cleese's friend from college age, and his longtime professional partner, and then dying suddenly and very sadly, will save you from his scorn.

hard for cleese to come across as any other way, but if you think that being honest about graham chapman being difficult to work worth, or cleese's frustration manifesting itself as irreverence towards alcoholism or chapman's behaviour isn't understandable then........

Brewer's Bitch (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

No I get that. But see my earlier post. What is it that he's actually trying to vent? Frustration at not being properly recognized, is how it reads to me. And it's plenty petty.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

but cleese being frustrated and bitter is a running joke at this stage, and i honestly think he plays to it when discussing python, particularly when referring to jones or being left to work with python.

Brewer's Bitch (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

Could be, but I hope when and if I'm his age I don't drag my dear old dead friends into it anymore.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think they assume that

a) he wouldn't mind, would probably approve in fact

b) it's up to them how they refer to someone they worked with and knew closely for 20 years or so before he died.

Brewer's Bitch (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

Cleese: the Ingmar Bergman of the Pythons

so you wd say, Smiles of a Summer Night hata

I was more referring to his propensity for giving crusty, bitter interviews.

boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

I preferred his earlier, funnier interviews

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

^ we've come full circle

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

he repeated himself after interviews 1 & 2 imo

Brewer's Bitch (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

That Palin + Cleese vs. Muggeridge + Bishop of Southwark confrontation is classic though, not that Palin contributes much


would love to see the full clip

no bubo, no credibility (stevie), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm a fan of crusty + bitter in comedians/people, don't all faint.

Why say those things? Why bother at this point?

cuz fanboys are still "blaming" him for leaving the show? I don't see his remarks as scornful. Don't hold your breath for the day Aykroyd says the same about Belushi.

Your Favorite Saturday Night Thing (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 12:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't think anyone "blames" Cleese for leaving the show, I know Python fans are saddoes, but not that sad. I think he could be crusty and bitter because nobody finds him funny anymore, least of all himself.

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 12:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

Aykroyd always wanted to leave the coke fiesta at 4.30am and bang some party girl before passing out and getting up 12 hours later to write five lines of banter, while Belushi always insisted on staying til 5 o'clock

RAPTOBER (sic), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

... also because, the others, in different ways, all seem happier and more successful than him? (xp)

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

different in the way of not making fawlty towers?

Brewer's Bitch (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

judging ppl's happiness by media/interviews = hilarious. Sample, 1993: "Oh, that River Phoenix and his healthy vegan lifestyle."

yeah, Eric Idle's current "success" largely built on the dumbed-down recycling that is Spamalot.

Your Favorite Saturday Night Thing (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's making him rich(er), that's success of a kind

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

judging ppl's happiness by media/interviews = hilarious

Well, of course, but there appears to be only one embittered sourpuss these days, where they're used to be two (Cleese and Idle)

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

do people want to see john cleese happy?

Brewer's Bitch (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

They want to see him funny

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ok, look. The man will be 70 years old on the 27th. (Happy Birthday, Cleese, in advance -- the world would be quite a bit less funny without you.) It just seems unnecessary for him to go pissing on his ex wife in public, or his old friends... it's ugly, is what I mean. You'll be sour enough when you're dead, so lighten the fuck up. You're rich as hell and loved wherever people speak English. Count your motherfucking blessings, you old coot.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

maybe john cleese doesn't think people want to see him happy, though? seriously, have you ever seen the man appear out of 'grouch' mode. i can't think of an instance.

Brewer's Bitch (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

Well, I'm on the record now, fwiw.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

john cleese, we'd like to see you happy.

but we don't pay as well as mastercard, so that's probably that out of the running.

Brewer's Bitch (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, he's nearly 70, he's more or less retired anyway

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

Younger than Woody Allen though

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

You're rich as hell

Not what he says! He's in Eddie Murphy HALF mode.

Your Favorite Saturday Night Thing (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think that's exactly what it is, Morbs. How much money does he want buried with him, I wonder?

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

I mean, give the bitch the money. It's just money. It's not going to make her any happier, either.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

bollocks it won't

Brewer's Bitch (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

taking it off him in the first place will make her happier, and then she actually gets to buy stuff with it.

Brewer's Bitch (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but... fine. Let her. I don't actually believe that he's hurting financially. He's just sour-graping. He can give her half and still have plenty to live in the country, drink the world's finest wine, and grow ever more Orson-shaped until his demise.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

I guess i AM asking for a mellow, contented John Cleese. And I guess that is a bit silly.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 13:32 (4 years ago) Permalink


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