the juke/bmore/bloghouse frankenstein dance music they play at clubs

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Dance nerd reporting in, how do you all feel about the Salem remixes of Gucci Mane?

http://www.thefader.com/2009/10/01/salem-remix-gucci-mane/

Yes, I know its the Fader, I'm sorry OK?

i dunno if he's on this thread (i'm not gonna look) but surely ronan is a dance nerd

or srs dance musics discussion crew

ronan is serious dance musics discussion crew

those remixes of gucci were awful

"why yes, i am a climber-- we should go back to my place and climb into my hot tub while i tell you about it."

― ♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:10 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i'm into these dudes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjBc7o8qPgA

http://thump.vice.com/words/how-diplo-and-the-hollerboard-changed-everything

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2082673896/bloghouse-the-book/description

Man, kind of a trip to read back through this thread

can one donate to an anti-kickstarter to prevent this book from being written

DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25660369_10155952627702008_5003479507287019891_n.jpg

haha oops

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25660369_10155952627702008_5003479507287019891_n.jpg?oh=2d18209751fd927e3b8282e518874027&oe=5B1F79B7

ok not *entirely* the same thing but incredible to me that people are still riding for 2008

ahahahaha

TLG : is that a current night out, or an old flyer ?

looks like the kickstarter already met its goal

wow just realized this is the tenth anniversary of frankendance

oh god it's (half) by meaghan garvey
she's probably not responsible for the absolute worst of what pitchfork's written, but she is the worst in critically questionable self-awareness lacking white-gazey stuff from there that i can attach to a name off the top of my head

xxxp current night out

you can tell its current bc the web address is fb and not mypace

lol

aaron aamnesiaa must have forgotten the last 10 years happened

you can tell its current bc the web address is fb and not mypace
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:27 (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol

i had this exact same thought after i posted actually.
and you know what, if i lived in a town with a scene and was in the mood for going out i would totally go to a night that played that stuff.
i loved it them (as a bystander due to life), and still do.
this mixed in with some electroclash would totally hit my sweet spot.

hood pass revoked

cant believe this formulation is a decade old:

My theory is that 2008 breaks down like this:

1) Too much of what is good and popular is not populist (nu-deep-minimal; space disco/balearic for the most part; upmarket dubstep)
2) Too much of what is good and populist is not popular (UK funky house)
3) Too much of what is popular and populist is not good (blog-house/frankendance; downmarket dubstep)

― Tim F, Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:17 PM (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

extremely curious how Tim thinks the following ten years played out, if it veered away from this concern or back to it or what have you

TLG : yeah yeah, give an old(er) man a nu-electro-distorted-compressed-to-fuck break.

Here's another little time capsule from upthread:

If anything this stuff is probably the North American version of grime. It has a lot of the same weaknesses and will probably have about the same longevity as a genre. I can't really get upset about this stuff because it is going to go away as quickly as it came.

https://soundcloud.com/firemarshalmeaghan/bloghouse-mix-2018

lol this is cheating

extremely curious how Tim thinks the following ten years played out, if it veered away from this concern or back to it or what have you

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 8 February 2018 20:54 (one week ago) Permalink

I don't think the formulation really applies anymore because the whole notion of scene allegiance within dance music has broken down further since 2008. At least as far as I can tell (and note I am now 35 so perhaps am not the best person to ask) less people than ever are really invested in organising themselves into distinct audiences around particular sub-genres. This was already going on of course and really you could say that dance music has simply followed rock music's lead - rock music was already in this state a decade ago.

There will always be exceptions of hardcore faithfuls, of course. But the difference I discern now is that a lot of the long tails from what was about ten years ago have basically converged into a kind of broad, stable disco-house-techno continuum where most people are into bits of everything along that spectrum and all that is really left to judge is the thoughtfulness or charisma with which particular stylistic narratives are executed.

The other big intervening development obviously was EDM, but I think people miss some of the nuances of EDM's impact: it was and is so obviously crass that I feel like it has had the perverse effect of pushing a lot of people who might otherwise be (and historically were) into relatively-crass material like blog-house or etc. towards more tasteful material.

In respect of this frankendance specifically I just don't hear much that really sounds like it now, which is probably a function of the above: I feel like much of the audience for it has basically split three ways between EDM, hip hop and techno, i.e. they've chosen to go with whichever frankenstein bodypart they liked most rather than stick with the whole corpse.

they've chosen to go with whichever frankenstein bodypart they liked most rather than stick with the whole corpse

😂😂😂

meghan garvey mix is like 70% not remotely bloghouse

EDM ... had the perverse effect of pushing a lot of people who might otherwise be (and historically were) into relatively-crass material like blog-house or etc. towards more tasteful material

great point

all str8 hipster afterhours parties i've been to in the last 2 yrs are either disco -> house -> techno or disco <-> house. last time i heard any electro or r&b or rap at one was like, 2014? there's still a lot of juke/club influenced stuff in queer dance parties imo, but doesn't feel like there's a straight line from bloghouse to that

Yeah don't discount the regional/global/deconstructed/post-deconstructed club thing.

To me that's always seemed separate from the bloghouse thing, even if there was some mingling at the time this thread was started?

meghan garvey mix is like 70% not remotely bloghouse

― flopson, Monday, February 19, 2018 10:33 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol im saying ... maybe even higher

all str8 hipster afterhours parties i've been to in the last 2 yrs are either disco -> house -> techno or disco <-> house. last time i heard any electro or r&b or rap at one was like, 2014? there's still a lot of juke/club influenced stuff in queer dance parties imo, but doesn't feel like there's a straight line from bloghouse to that

― flopson, Tuesday, February 20, 2018 4:37 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This feels spot on to me except that hipsters seem to still love rap when it plays at festivals (whether via an actual act or as interstitial music)

in north america festivals are mostly for norms or hippies. hipsters will forever like rap i meant more hearing rap in club context å la frankendance

This is a useful cross-cultural exchange

lol :)

EDM ... had the perverse effect of pushing a lot of people who might otherwise be (and historically were) into relatively-crass material like blog-house or etc. towards more tasteful material

TBH I think this would have happened anyway with a sizeable proportion of them. I guess the main difference between now and then is that structurallly there just isn't a *need* for a gateway drug from rock music into dance music proper - at least not in the UK and Europe where there are plenty of kids now young enough to have been played house music in the womb. In the US there might be but the gateway needs to be from another direction, I guess this is where EDM comes in.

A tempting but probably not entirely accurate narrative centres around the moment when the Justice Fabriclive 37 mix was shitcanned, Caspa & Rusko were drafted in at short notice and the rest, as far as cartoonish mid-range blare goes, is history. Somewhere there's a parallel universe where that never happened and the evolution of EDM took a slightly different course.

(In addition to just getting into house/techno/disco a lot of the newly grown-up fanbase drifted towards post-dubstep, particularly the jukier more rhythmic side of Hessle Audio, bits of Night Slugs etc.)

It's also significant that 'electro' as a catch-all term for dance music as used by indie kids has virtually disappeared over the last decade, anything termed electro now is more likely to mean DJ Stingray or Helena Hauff or something. By which I mean it veers a lot closer to 'classic' electro with techno elements thrown in, rather than electroclash or frankenhouse or anything similar, and it's not really dilettante-friendly music in the same way.

This has been the best song of every year since 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__TY_86stXw