P2K: The Top 200 Albums of the 2000s: 20-1

I am constantly surprised by my ability to surprise myself with what I like, in terms of songs and music and genres. My musical tastes have some things at its core, but it's been expanding and growing for nearly 40 years at this point.

You can grow up and learn to love non-intuitive music the way you can grow up and learn to love spinach or blue cheese or even 1000 year old eggs.

― Masonic Boom

This is, of course true, but thing is, Kate: I said that. I said almost exactly that in my last post. And you present this to me as some kind of rebuttal? WTF?

The only way that what I am saying relates to the representation of women on the Pitchfork list is that I don't think angry accusations of sexism are necessarily the best response to these sorts of expressions of taste. Rather the male-dominated character of the list should raise questions in our minds, and these questions ought to cause us to look a little more closely at the people who made the list and ways in which they rationalize it. All of which inevitably leads us to note that, well, it's almost all dudes. That seems like a much more undeniably problematic issue, and a more immediately addressable one besides.

Dan is right that this is all getting a bit exaggerated - which Pitchfork staffmember didn't vote for female artists?

This idea that Pitchfork writers are too bigoted even to listen to female-created music is a million miles in meaning and sense from the (much more legitimate) argument that the Pitchfork top 200 has less female artists than would seem either ideal or "logical".

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so soon :( :( :(

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― System

Haha. Well, easily one of the best poll threads in the history of ILM.

uhhhhhh

mark u have weird ideas

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I fuck with these results. Lol @ Kanye coming in last.

15 ppl drinkin the kool aid and thinkin knife made the album of the decade o_O

Or just the best album on the list? I may not have voted for it but it is a great record.

What Sam said.

id be more worried that 15 people thought the avalanches did

whiney g weingarten good job not drinking the kool aid

what dont you like about the avalanches, pfunkboy?

its boring.

15 ppl drinkin the kool aid and thinkin knife made the album of the decade o_O

I am actually having some Soarin' Strawberry Lemonade right now.

I highly recommend it to my 14 comrades.

Alternate choices: Man-o-Mangoberry; Oh-Yeah Orange-Pineapple; Eerie Orange.

you guys really gonna start an argument about the wrongness of a poll result's poll results?

if only there were some way to solve arguments like this

like a poll?

id be more worried that 15 people thought the avalanches did

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, October 10, 2009 4:48 PM Bookmark

otm

yo fuck modest mouse. how anything that band made is better than kala, which would've walked this if it were top 20, is beyond me.

also yay discovery

jesus fucking christ

― Mr. Que, Sunday, 4 October 2009 16:12

^^^ This, about the poll results.

informative poll; I never knew anyone had any sort of opinion about Spoon

Spoon are probably the best rock band of the 2000's.

first Rock album at number 8.
interesting..

not really

the number or the interesting?

1,2,3 are all rock albums on some level

some

Spoon are probably the best rock band of the 2000's

Eurgh. (Sorry, those dudes bored me senseless at the first ArthurFest and I've had it in for them since.)

Ned! Give them another chance.

Try Gimme Fiction or, even better, Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga. Do not try Kill The Moonlight, which can be boring.

Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga imo

informative poll; I never knew anyone had any sort of opinion about Spoon

lol ilm stans spoon pretty hard, you must just not be paying much attention

Inspired by the poll results, I went and listened to some more tracks off of Discovery, and I found one that I like - "Face To Face"! So maybe it's just the robot voices I'm having trouble with.

kill the moonlight is so obviously ahead of their other albums in my mind. so amazing that everybody doesn't agree with me.

uh i don't agree nor do i see why this is amazing. tbh the last four spoon albums probably sound pretty similar to non-fans and among fans having different favorites isn't exactly shocking.

yeah I find it more amazing that someone could enjoy one spoon album that much more than the others...you either dig the aesthetic or you don't, but they'vene be remarkably consistent

*they've been

KtM is the one that sticks out to me as super minimal, the rest have a pretty interchangeable aesthetic

ha but no one agrees what the "best" spoon album is. i mean girls can tell would probably get the most votes in the lame-ass ilm poll but we've had this argument a bunch of times and pretty much every album has its proponents (and i think girls can tell is their worst album)

i don't blame ned though, they are kind of boring live

i've made a promise to myself never to see them live.

One time Spoon dude Britt Daniels walked around our lameass CD store before a show he was playing that night. Everyone was like "wow it's the Spoon dude, don't look at him". Our store sucked so he only spent about 2 minutes in there, only stopping to pause and look through the Spoon CDs we had. Or maybe it was Spiritualized or Stone Temple Pilots. Then he left and all the girls were like "what an ass". The end.

oh, I meant "what an ass" as in "wow, his ass is really nice. I like that ass". Sorry, didn't mean to be ambiguous.

I saw his ass at Pitchfork Fest last year in line at Chipotle -- not nice.

in fairness, nothing looks good at Chipotle

Seeing them live (having never heard them before) is what got me to check out their albums.

nb: i, personally, have no time for my chemical romance or fall out boy or the bands in that vein. just don't like 'em. BUT various smart people i know have written about them in such a way over the past few years that my position has moved to ignoring them to taking them seriously and affording them a certain level of respect, regardless of whether my ears can take the music.

Lex, to go back to this point you made last week (I think), I'm curious: does this mean you distinguish between music you dislike but "respect" (e.g. fall out boy) and music you dislike and disrespect (e.g. animal collective)? And if, so, on what basis?

Like, I really like albums this year by FOB, Paramore, Animal Collective and Atlas Sound. Is my enjoyment of the first two more respectable?