Batman Begins: The Thread

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Diehard fans call me John-John Mclean now...

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

i liked it!

very entertaining. bale actually pretty good as non-stiff batdude, i thought. a few problems though:

1) action scenes suffer from cutting too close & too fast, the bane of modern action cinema. not convinced nolan is an action director.

2) bad one-liners

3) somewhat anti-climactic (also common bain of modern action)

4) gary oldman looked perfect but his arc overlapped with katie holmes's too much ("one good man in a corrupt legal system"). glad they went the batman: year one way with him, at least a bit.

still... i liked it!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Tim Booth from James?

If he was in it, it must have been only for a minute because I don't remember seeing him. My whole review would have been about "Eww, Tim Booth, eww!"

I thought the same thing about the action scenes, s1ocki.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

always so disappointing! HIRE ONE SECOND UNIT DIRECTOR AND/OR DECENT ACTION EDITOR!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I still recommend it, though. It's 80,000 times more entertaining than Episode III.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

1) i agree, but the mountain-top test was awesome

2) totally. especially the "i gotta get me one of those" lines.

the other two i'm ambivalent about.

i loved how they created bruce wayne the celeb.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

oh god yeah. wipes the floor with star snores! (xp)

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

1) yeah, i loved that scene! i was just like, "yo, pull back the camera bit! or use a wider lens!"

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

by the way, did everyone notice my clever play on "star wars" up there?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

one thing i gotta say, i was a little worried by the whole "batman trained by wise eastern monks" thing but they really went the right way with it! i was so glad that they did the whole "RAS AL-GHUL THE MIGHTY FIGHTER OF EVIL EVERYWHERE" thing!! it totally kept the comic book spirit, which i was grateful for.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

what was ras al-ghul's organization called again? the league of amazing great guys?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I think he led the League of Assassins.

Huk-L, Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

the fab five!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

the organization of incredibly exciting superbuddies!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

the union of interesting best friends!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

You know what they need to do, they need to do
http://www.hillcity-comics.com/graphic_novels/new_graphic_novel179.jpg

TOMBOT, Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Free Batman comic in Monday's New York Post!

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=460f2057b5d1ba047dc259334f6b7ca9&threadid=35579

Huk-L, Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I was re-reading it a little bit last night, just flipping through. It's the most goddamned ridiculous thing ever inked. Holy shit.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 9 June 2005 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

yo leon or jams or whoever else has seen this movie:

do you (haha) actually remember the name of the league of crimefighting ninjas? i need it for my review and they didn't give me no press kit!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

wait, nic cage is starring in a wu-tang movie?!?!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Huk's right, it's the League of Assassins.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link

no, in the movie it's something else!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

The League of Shadows (I think, but not 100% certain).

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I just checked imdb and they have a bunch of guys listed as "Shadow Warriors" so I think that's probably correct.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

wait, nic cage is starring in a wu-tang movie?!?!

I'm getting in line RIGHT NOW.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 10 June 2005 03:51 (eighteen years ago) link

by the way, did everyone notice my clever play on "star wars" up there?

*pats slocki on head* There there, The Family Guy is waiting for you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 June 2005 05:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Or The Family Man or whatever. Tea Leoni is not enough, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 June 2005 05:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Nicolas Cage IS Peter Griffin!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 10 June 2005 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

i have the press kit at home, slocki, so if you still need it i can snag it over the weekend.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 10 June 2005 13:49 (eighteen years ago) link

no it's cool, i think leon was right.

ned my point was that i liked batman better than star wars (my point was also that i made a stupid pun). thus, batman is waiting for me.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 10 June 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

(i have a terrible feeling that admitting i liked "the family man" is going to be the low-blow argument everyone uses against me when i disagree with them from now on. miccio i feel your agony)

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 10 June 2005 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

You brought it on yourself! (I promise I will refrain...for now. ;-))

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 June 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

"NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!"

s1ithi (slutsky), Friday, 10 June 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I really liked the hell out of it, except for Katie, who looked like she'd deflate if you stuck a pin in a cheek.

Bale was superb, subtle, even. The more you reflect of his turn, the more you dig his skill.

AND HARDLY ANY CGI !!!

Ahem, anyway, whoah, Nolan does love icebergs, doesn't he?

The whole shantytown of misery surrounding Gotham was a great visual.

Caine was Caine--ie, fab.

(Yeah, Freeman in NURSE BETTY is fine creep-ah.)

Murphy truly was unnerving, like an inflated sneery GOP-advisor Depp.

Actually, lots of serious stuff here, presented in only slightly annoying serious mode. Combining David Goyers (BLADE123) and Nolan was a prefect balance, neutering the undesireable in both.

And I want a tee shirt that says "Does it come in black?"

Ian in Brooklyn, Saturday, 11 June 2005 05:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh--and the rooftop chase--I was thinking BULLIT, except, you know, on a roof. With Batman.

And Liam's haircut was really disturbing.

I'd pay to see it again--scary.

Ian in Brooklyn, Saturday, 11 June 2005 05:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I have been really excited about this since I saw the trailer. My reaction was 'Whoa: Batman + natural light: wahoo!!'. Like, Bruce Wayne finally looks like a normal guy, and Gotham City kind of looks like a regular city, and even though it's hyper-reality, it looks different. I hope it's good, I really do. I've only just started to actually enjoy Christian Bale as an actor (The Machinist convinced me), so if he screws this up, we're through.

xpost- whoa, Bullit? Fuckin A!!

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 June 2005 05:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Woo! I am seeing it tomorrow on the local IMAX screen.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

there are midnight showings all over tonight but there's no way I can force myself to stay awake

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

After last night's concert there's no way I could survive midnight tonight. I'm running on three hours of sleep as is.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw this last night. I am happy today.

Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 16:04 (eighteen years ago) link

:-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

As we see the film today (if we do and haven't already), let us never forget:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40625000/jpg/_40625560_batman_kilmer203.jpg

Ten years is a long time for expiation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I probably won't see this until next Wednesday.

Huk-L, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Woo! I am seeing it tomorrow on the local IMAX screen.

That's what I want to do too, see it again at the IMAX.

I don't know if it is time yet to suggest my alternate casting choice for the scarecrow.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Podheretz at NRO confirms -- it's for goths!

I thought it was a pretty decent time at the movies, but the humorlessness is really a little much. The lead actor, Christian Bale, spends two hours scowling, pouting, punching and suffering. Co-writer/director Christopher Nolan is so determined to make him a tragic hero that he forgets many tragic heroes (like, say, Hamlet, to whom this Batman is a cousin) get to throw off a few one liners here and there. When the movie's two elder statesmen, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman, actually get to crack a few smiles and throw off a few quips, it's like a sip of fresh water after a thousand miles crawling in the desert. On the up side: A terrific and spooky villain played by Cillian Murphy, a dynamic and mysterious mentor performance by Liam Neeson, and real visual grandeur.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link

This movie does make you realize that Tim Burton's Batman is Hot Topic Goth in comparison.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

He was always just twee enough a goth, surely. Edward Scissorhands, after all!

Actually what's going to be interesting to me is how Burton's execution of action scenes matches against Nolan's, in that I don't think Burton could do much with those (or maybe more accurately his editors couldn't, I'm not sure) and it sounds like Nolan falls down a bit on that front. Oh well, roll on tonight!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

OK now is the time to reveal the ultimate casting choice for the Scarecrow, because that tease just made me anxious!

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:30 (eighteen years ago) link

N., of course! It can be THE FINAL CHALLENGE. (And Nicole Kidman can reappear from the Kilmer Batman movie as further incentive.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

im going in half an hour. nerd style, alone.

Chris 'Crusty' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link


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