The Original Black Sabbath:1970 -1978 POLL

Well, by metal I meant hard rock... I think.

Yes I was corrected the other day when talking to a restaurant manager about my Dj repertoire. I told him that I spin metal, and he recoiled in horror. Then I mentioned Sabbath and he relaxed and said "oh, that's Classic Rock."

Of course there's a bunch of material missing, but I think they had to even it up to try and highlight some material from their last albums with Ozzy, even when few Sabbath fans care about 'never say die' and 'technical ecstasy'.

I care.

I never did express that noone cared.

Wheels of Confusion is about my favorite too. That one is an epic. I went with Sabbath Bloody Sabbath as I have been obsessed with that opening riff since I was 14.

JOHNNY BLADE

WHERE THE F IS JOHNNY BLADE

anyway, symptom of the universe.

I <3 Johnny Blade too.

"Changes". And nothing but "Changes".

― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Thursday, October 8, 2009 5:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Youre a jerk

"...even when few Sabbath fans care about 'never say die' and 'technical ecstasy'."

You dont speak for me. What the fuck are you talking about????

If you're gonna say dumbass shit like this, you got no right to start this poll.What the fuck

FEW Sabbath fans

You're wrong. Just check out the Never Say Die thread.

And by not caring I meant that most Sabbath fans are more likely to listen to any of their 6 first albums on any giving day than picking up their last two albums with Ozzy. Only those with injuries on their brains would rate them higher than anything that came before them.

*any given day

I'm not saying theyre bad albums. Every single Sabbath album has got redeeming qualities. I just think any sane Sabbath fan wouldn't pick them as their best material.

So anyways. I apologize. Care was a strong word. I meant that they're less important to most Sabbath fans than their first 6 albums.

"Only those with injuries on their brains would rate them higher than anything that came before them."

Fighting words,man. Just shut up.

Ok.

No amount of time on the tree of woe with vultures pecking my eyes and Mako massaging my feet could bring me to a final decision on this. Album by album, yeah I could vote for 1 song then, but this is impossible.

"Only those with injuries on their brains would rate them higher than anything that came before them."

Fighting words,man. Just shut up.

― Bill Magill, Friday, October 9, 2009 3:04 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Actually, you're obviously free to your opinion, even if you dont like those two albums. I just dont think you are correct about what Sabbath fans think about those two albums.

I vote Supernaut, even though this is an excrutiatingly hard poll.

i think its fair to say that tech x and nsd are the LEAST listened to ozzy sabbath albums. you know, in all of history.

when i was a lil' sabbath fanatic it took me a long time to even FIND a copy of technical ecstasy in a record store. and this was 1980.

"Changes" is a genuinely wonderful song. I listened to it all day on repeat once.

Into the Void. Cos it's heavy as fuck.

i think its fair to say that tech x and nsd are the LEAST listened to ozzy sabbath albums. you know, in all of history.

― scott seward, Friday, October 9, 2009 3:59 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Fair point, but the assertions that "nobody cares about them" and that "you have to have a brain injury to like them" are BS. NSD is like one of my top 5 albums of all time, by any artist.

NSD is like one of my top 5 albums of all time, by any artist

Well, that's also fair enough. But you would perhaps concede that it is unusual for someone to reserve a place on their "top 5 albums of all time by any artist" list for NSD. I think Moka was simply saying that most folks prefer the earlier stuff.

torn between, uh, the wizard/supernaut/symptom of the universe/children of the grave

You Moka me crazy.

Yeah I love it but I'd say Moka is undervaluing it and Bill is overvaluing it a bit. Not that there's anything wrong with either opinion. It's a good record and has a lot of songs I dearly love. But it's a tiny minority (as Moka inferred) that will prefer it to the first 6.

Personally, I feel strongly about all Sabbath albums through Born Again. There's not a worthwhile entry after that until Dehumanizer and the new Heaven & Hell.

What's your opinion on Eternal Idol and Headless Cross?

I voted for "Call Me"... I mean "Children of the Grave."

Sorry again for the 'only those with injuries in their brains' thing, I didn't chose my words wisely. It didn't sound that harsh of an opinion in my head but the more I read it the more I realize how it could've come off as extremely offensive.

Already repeated throughout thread a couple of times but the only assumption I wanted to make was that their first 6 albums are better by general consensus and that few people would choose NSD and Technical Ecstasy over the rest. I wasn't aware you were one of those few fans and I apologize, once again, for my offense to your kind upthread.

What's your opinion on Eternal Idol and Headless Cross?

― Duke, Friday, October 9, 2009 2:11 PM (1 hour ago)

I think there are good riffs on those discs, but no entire songs that rule. It's too bad.

Well, by metal I meant hard rock... I think.

"Changes" is hardly hard rock. :)

Really, I like a lot of Black Sabbath, also some of the darker stuff. But "Changes" is such a beautiful song it still stands in a league of its own here. Not because it's "atypical", but because it's great.

Voted st because it's so sludgy and dark and it has that church bell and the first time I ever heard Ozzy yell "Oh god please help me!" I was instantly ROTFL in joy.

^^^that track scared the shit outta me when i was thirteen-years-old.

Supernaut but my deliberations were similar to Jordan's.

>What's your opinion on Eternal Idol and Headless Cross?

I think there are good riffs on those discs, but no entire songs that rule. It's too bad.

Thanks. I was tempted to pick these up a while back. Allmusic has it that they are fine albums. I couldn't bring myself to do it.

" and I apologize, once again, for my offense to your kind upthread."

Accepted, I understand what you were getting at. And yes, it is correct, those last two Ozzy albums are generally considered, rightly or wrongly, the red headed step-children of his time with the band.

didn't j0hnD say he liked Never Say Day best of all Sab albums somewhere 'round these here parts? i'd like to see him argue that point further, tbh.

I dont know if he said it was his favorite but he did a pretty funny flowchart diagram where he made it clear that it was at least in the discussion.

right, that was it.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

lol at 5-way tie for second.

Check out the new Sabbath compilation. No "Supernaut," and not a single track from Sabotage. Sacrilege!

http://heavymetalmessenger.com/new-black-sabbath-iron-man-the-best-of-coming-next-month

I am confused as to exactly what the Sabbath camp is doing here.

I was a little more harsh on this thread than I believe was necessary, in retrospect.

haw, really, nothing from Sabotage? I'm pretty new to deep Sabbath fandom, but I think that is my fave album by them.

speaking of 'em, saw that the "classic albums" doc for paranoid is streaming on netflix now. will watch soon!

Just saw that recently, it's great. You get to hear the untreated vocals on "Planet Caravan"

I just got a boot that has "Planet Caravan" without the Leslie effect. It's kinda neat to hear.

speaking of 'em, saw that the "classic albums" doc for paranoid is streaming on netflix now. will watch soon!

I didn't even know this existed! I'm not on Netflix but I'll probably just buy the dvd.

That new comp looks, erm, superfluous...

The Paranoid Classic Albums thing is excellent. Seriously thorough. The Planet Caravan part is awesome.

I havent seen a bad one in that series, by the way.

How did Lord of This World only get one vote?
Also: I'm chained to Spotify at work and they don't have anything by BSabbath with Ozzy. Thumbs down.

Ozzy era stuff is apparently pretty locked down so Sharon and Co. can continue selling you CD's of songs you already have in about 10 formats.

We in the UK have the full Ozzy years catalogue, with the exception of Vol 4, for some reason.

Vol. 4 had a strange producer credit, i dont remember the exact story, but i think their manager was listed as producer (even though he did nothing). There was later significant litigation between him and the band. That may have something to do with it-i could be wildly off though, I'm just guessing.

it used to be there, but has been pulled. The others are there in the recent re-issue formats.

I bought a Vol 4 t-shirt the other day, which I was happy to get since I understand there are merchandising rights issues as well.

It must be a lot of laughs having to deal with all this.

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