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― Man!! (Man!!) (country matters), Wednesday, 7 October 2009 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
7 minute pop single:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGaRDN8IMcg
― Squash weather (Eazy), Wednesday, 7 October 2009 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
going nowhere
― iatee, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Monday, 19 October 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
"It's Getting Better (Man)" represents pretty much everything which was wrong about this album.
Now, there are earlier Oasis tracks suffering from the same overblown wall of guitars which makes it almost impossible for me to listen to them without making my ears hurt. But "Rock'n'Roll Star" and "Some Might Say" are at least great songs, which cannot be said about "It's Getting Better (Man)"
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, 19 October 2009 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Nice bit of robot drumming on it during the intro, though. Probably because whoever the drummer guy was back then couldn't figure out anything that went with it other than dum - ksh - dum - ksh - dum - dum - ksh.
The chorus is so loud you can't actually hear the fucking drums.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 19 October 2009 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Also SOME REALLY LOUD TAMBOURINE.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 19 October 2009 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Three solid minutes of REALLY LOUD TAMBOURINE.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 19 October 2009 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link
ACTUALLY PART OF THE PROBLEM ABOUT OASIS' GUITAR BASED SONGS IS THAT T H E E N T I R E P R O D U C T I O N IS SO LOUD ALL THE TIME
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 00:49 (fourteen years ago) link
It's Getting Louder (Man!!)
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Went with "All Around The World" in a close toss with "Be Here Now," "Going Nowhere," "It's Getting Better (Man!!)" and "I Hope, I Think, I Know." I don't mind the overblown songs here, I just mind the ones that overblown AND drudgy - but their attempts at acid-fried giddiness are really great IMO. Not exactly charming, but enjoyable.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 15:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I always liked The Girl In The Dirty Shirt. One of the few songs on this record that are not so over-the-top.
This was one of the great momentum killing records in music history. They never really recovered from this, did they?
― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Went with Stay Young as it's closer to their anthemy britpop/rock "best" than anything that made it onto the album.
― Suggest Gandhi (onimo), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 15:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I cant remember which track Be Here Now is
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link
cant find a studio version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ns2UZa62XY
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link
cant say i remember this song at all
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 23:14 (fourteen years ago) link
"Wonderwall" was famously inspired by "Wonderwall Music" the album by George Harrison.
"Be Here Now" is a track off "Living in the Material World" by George Harrison.
Who's this John Lennon then?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link
the 'best Oasis track ever' poll is going to be confusing for random googlers
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 06:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Wow, gotta say I really didn't expect that. Fine song though!
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 12:28 (fourteen years ago) link
"Be Here Now" is among the better songs on the album, but by no means the best.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 12:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Wow, yeah, very surprising result. Glad to see more people participated in this poll than I thought too! I mostly agree with the results other than seeing "Magic Pie" get some votes, never much got the appeal of that one. I'd have ranked my top 5 something like this:
1. "D'You Know What I Mean"2. "Stand By Me"3. "Stay Young"4. "Don't Go Away"5. "Be Here Now"
― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 13:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Did I miss the Standing On The Shoulder of Giants era poll or have these wound down? Was enjoying the trip down memory lane...
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 26 October 2009 12:44 (fourteen years ago) link
This album was 'lack of memory lane' for me.
Played it twice, I think.
― Mark G, Monday, 26 October 2009 12:47 (fourteen years ago) link
This was the first Oasis album I ever bought on the day it was released, my 3rd C.D. I ever bought as well, so spent ages listening to it.
I missed the poll, but would have had to say Don't Go Away.
― Josh L, Monday, 26 October 2009 12:53 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm gonna get me a motorcar, maybe a Jaguar, maybe a plane or a day of fameI'm gonna be a millionaire, so can you take me thereWon't it be wild, cause my life's so tame
Would have made a fuckin hell of a closing track on a Noel Gallagher solo album.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 1 February 2010 04:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I bought this on the day it came out in New York -- I think it was Aug 24, '97 -- and I thought it was pretty cool that when I opened up the CD case the date 'August 24' was staring back at me. Missed the poll but I would have voted 'Stand By Me.'
― calstars, Monday, 1 February 2010 04:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Noel's brand new '2016 re-think' of 'Do You Know What I Mean' is genuinely great IMO. i was never a fan of the song particularly. also some interesting BHN demos are coming as part of a remaster/reissue. Owen Morris has raved about said demos many times over the years. on his own site especially http://owenmorris.net/oasis/
http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/oasis-be-here-now-reissue-due-in-2016/#more-124815
― piscesx, Friday, 22 July 2016 10:17 (seven years ago) link
Holy shit, I didn't realise there was a decent string section part in that song!
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Friday, 22 July 2016 10:30 (seven years ago) link
Noel must do that for the whole album. Seriously.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Friday, 22 July 2016 10:31 (seven years ago) link
Hmm, so the "Mustique Demos" is basically an acoustic version of the whole album.
Oh, but it'll be "sung by Noel", I guess...
― Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2016 10:36 (seven years ago) link
apparently, this was the original idea.
over to noel :
" “As the years went by I’d started to accept that the songs on ‘Be Here Now’ were in fact insanely long… too long! Someone (I can’t remember who) had the idea that we re-visit, re-edit the entire album for posterity’s sake. We got as far as the first track before we couldn’t be arsed any more and gave up… It does sound fucking mega though!”
(as per hidden in the comments section of that article)
― mark e, Friday, 22 July 2016 10:45 (seven years ago) link
Wasn't that a long time ago?
― Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2016 11:02 (seven years ago) link
Prefer the original
― imago, Friday, 22 July 2016 11:43 (seven years ago) link
wow, that's actually... not bad?
― report your crimes to my burning ghost cock (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 22 July 2016 12:18 (seven years ago) link
It does sound cleaner and slightly less busy than the original
― calstars, Friday, 22 July 2016 16:45 (seven years ago) link
Always thought that chord progression was just a major key version of wonderwall though
― calstars, Friday, 22 July 2016 16:46 (seven years ago) link
what a lost opportunity to see if the whole album could have been de-larded
― PaulTMA, Friday, 22 July 2016 17:13 (seven years ago) link
Be Here Now... Naked
― we're gonna live in spatula city (Doctor Casino), Friday, 22 July 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link
That album has one reason to exist and you would remove it
― imago, Friday, 22 July 2016 17:47 (seven years ago) link
and then he cut it down from the original's 7:42 to the remix's rethink's 7:23
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Friday, 22 July 2016 18:36 (seven years ago) link
The main difference is that he reduced the volume of the 456 guitar tracks in the mix, isn't it ?A quieter, older guy mix !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 22 July 2016 19:01 (seven years ago) link
"d'you know what i mean" rules, blunted beats against a vicious wall of sound
― brimstead, Friday, 22 July 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link
The main difference is that he reduced the volume of the 456 guitar tracks in the mix, isn't it ?― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, July 22, 2016 7:01 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, July 22, 2016 7:01 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Listening to it again, there's a hell of a lot that's been filtered out and re-positioned in the stereo field. It was always apparent that the original Be Here Now mixes were dense, with Owen Morris trying to cram every single last track into the mix, but listening to this has made me realise just how much they were trying to cram into the mixes. Like, they recorded that string section and it's so hard to pick out in the original mix it might as well have not even been there. The notable things that I've noticed is: no helicopter intro, and the wah-wah guitars at the beginning have been filtered out completely, as well as a lot of vocal harmonies and of course zillions of rhythm guitar overdubs and a couple of solo's here and there. There's more bass, too. It's a much more easier-on-the-ear mix and I agree with PaulTMA that it's a bit of a missed opportunity to not remix the whole album.
I noticed that the demo for 'D'You Know What I Mean?' also clocks in at over 7 minutes - clearly, it was always meant to be that long!
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Friday, 22 July 2016 19:43 (seven years ago) link
The drum sound still sucks, though.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Friday, 22 July 2016 19:45 (seven years ago) link
as I say, I'm sue the remix attempt was only five years after the event.
― Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link
Oasis artist poll will open next month. Starting to revisit now.
― Bee OK, Friday, 22 July 2016 20:31 (seven years ago) link
They really should have given the master tapes over to someone else to mix at the time, given how lousy the original mixes sound. That's apparently what Ash did when they were working with Owen Morris. Having said that, the secrecy surrounding this whole record at the time was (by all accounts) batshit and I'm not surprised that they never considered it an option.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Friday, 22 July 2016 20:59 (seven years ago) link
Putting aside the sonics, which has a greater number of good tunes: stone roses s/t or those first three oasis ones?
― calstars, Friday, 22 July 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link
Nice to hear the vocal harmonies in Know What I Mean. The dual vocal is also the best part of Stand By Me.
― calstars, Friday, 22 July 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link
the lyrics are just a mix of beatles titles and quotes, as usual, aren't they ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 09:04 (seven years ago) link
ahah, I never noticed (or cared) so I just checked the lyrics.man...
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 09:06 (seven years ago) link
man!!
― imago, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 09:16 (seven years ago) link
(man!)
― calstars, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 12:40 (seven years ago) link
the Man !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 13:00 (seven years ago) link
no-one has suggestions for the Oasis poll? i will wing it.
Did you mean covers as in album/single art? I'd vote for that, I like those Microdot sleeves.
The redo of DYKWIM sounds good at least (still too long and yeah the lyrics are crap) but then it was always the closest thing to a decent song on Be Here Now anyway.
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 13:17 (seven years ago) link
I still think 'It's Getting Better (Man!!)' is one of the best songs on the album and I'm still surprised it wasn't released as a single.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 14:32 (seven years ago) link
hum. I'm not sure there's one good song on that album. maybe "stand by me" as an easy cheesy ballad...but there are some atrocious songs, for sure !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 14:36 (seven years ago) link
Wow, I'd completely erased this album from my memory. I was 15 when it came out and me and my friends all went through the same hype cycle, convincing ourselves it was great for about a week, then piling on as we realised it was complete muck.
I remember there was a documentary about the album called Right Here Right Now on TV the night before it was released. It had this version of Stand By Me, which made the excess of the album version all the more hillarious:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ6Etl_BU64
Then cleaned up version of DYKWIM is actually decent - the When The Levee Breaks/Kashmir influence is more obvious. Of course Jimmy Page built the heaviness around the drums and a sense of space. Anyone who's messed around with a multitrack editor knows you can't just keep piling on overdubs - the fewer parts you have, the louder each of them can be.
― the_ecuador_three, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 15:12 (seven years ago) link
Oasis poll to open Monday. if there are any last minute suggestions for this poll then this weekend is it. i think i will go with three or four categories.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 July 2016 02:04 (seven years ago) link
tasty bits of Mea Culpa going on here
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/oct/06/flattened-by-the-cocaine-panzers-the-toxic-legacy-of-oasiss-be-here-now
― piscesx, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:52 (seven years ago) link
I thought it'd at least be another year before we saw another piece on this record!
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Thursday, 6 October 2016 16:34 (seven years ago) link
so this really was the 1st line in Stand By Me after all, lol
Made a meal and threw it up on Sunday I've gotta lot of things to learn Said I would and I'll be leaving one day Before my heart starts to burn
― Cosmic Slop, Thursday, 6 October 2016 16:43 (seven years ago) link
I don't really get the "it was too exciting to write a proper review!" excuse
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 6 October 2016 17:47 (seven years ago) link
Ah, this was less a piece about Oasis and more a piece about music critics.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Thursday, 6 October 2016 18:28 (seven years ago) link
Mojo’s reviewer was even moved to patois: “This is Oasis’s World Domination Album. Dem a come fe mess up de area, seeeeeeeeerious.”
― just sayin, Friday, 7 October 2016 07:22 (seven years ago) link
a positive review !
http://thequietus.com/articles/21162-oasis-be-here-now-review-anniversary
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 14:49 (seven years ago) link
The Mustique demos are on Youtube now and... christ, Owen Morris wasn't wrong when he said that they should have referenced the demos more. They're a lot more polished and fleshed out than I expected too, i.e. it's not just "Noel on an acoustic"
http://www.youtube.com/Bg2O3V1IzMI
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Sunday, 23 October 2016 11:50 (seven years ago) link
https://youtu.be/Bg2O3V1IzMI
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Sunday, 23 October 2016 11:53 (seven years ago) link
a positive review !http://thequietus.com/articles/21162-oasis-be-here-now-review-anniversary
Sorry, but this is a truly bizarre bit of writing. I can't think I've ever seen somebody go to such lengths to try to defend something and still have nothing to show for it at the end, not a single point rings true.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Sunday, 23 October 2016 12:54 (seven years ago) link
As a friend of Angus's for some years now, I must disagree (admittedly, I would). If anything I thought it was a good portrait both of the hothouse situation and looking back on the album. Also, I distinctly remember him talking up the album when I first got to know him back in 2001, so it's not him trying to push a contrarian view out of nowhere.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 23 October 2016 17:25 (seven years ago) link
I quite like it, especially for its exuberance. And I quite agree that it's their best album, of course
― imago, Sunday, 23 October 2016 17:32 (seven years ago) link
The 'Fade In-Out' demo is interesting in the way most of it ended up on the final version. It's excruciating hearing Noel circa 1996 singing it, though. Just totally wrong.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Sunday, 23 October 2016 18:03 (seven years ago) link
there's NG interview about the reissue where he says that album should have had a stamp on it saying "to be consumed within 48h", like you should only listen to it once front to back, high on something, sitting in a park. and even that way...
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 24 October 2016 09:17 (seven years ago) link