Is 'Street Fighting Man' a Stones cover then?
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 15:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Haven't listened to this in some time, but off the top of my head I recall liking:
D'You Know What I Mean? (still think this is pretty underrated as far as Oasis singles go)Stand By MeDon't Go AwayAll Around the WorldStay YoungGoing Nowhere
― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 7 October 2009 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes it is, probably should have identified that. As is "Heroes" a Bowie cover.
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D'You Know What I Mean? (still think this is pretty underrated as far as Oasis singles go)lol when that came out that's when I gave up on Oasis for good!
― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Soft spots for Don't Go Away & Stand By Me, chose DGA because it instantly got stuck in my head (in a good way.)
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 7 October 2009 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link
No, I can totally understand why someone would feel that way and I certainly don't think it even comes near the Top 5, but I just love the guitars and the anthemic, epic feel to it. It was a very "look how awesome we are" move for a band built on that sort of self-mythologizing.
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― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 7 October 2009 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Right, so no-one's mentioned "Fade in-out" then?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link
is that the one johnny depp plays on?
― van smack, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 15:47 (fourteen years ago) link
yes.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 15:49 (fourteen years ago) link
i remember liking that one
― van smack, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 15:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Cos you see me I got my magic pieThink of me yeah that was me I was that passer byI've been and now I've gone
whats in that magic pie, noel?
― Michael B, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 15:56 (fourteen years ago) link
''Stay Young'', I think this may be the best thing they did.
― Terminator Eggs (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 7 October 2009 16:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Fewer good songs here, but voted "Stand By Me", which is still a great anthem up with their best moments. Also like "D'Ya Know What I Mean", "Don't Go Away" and "Magic Pie", but this is generally a patchy album.The only non-album track of some value is "Going Nowhere", which was a great Bacharach pastiche.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 7 October 2009 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link
I only know one of these. I feel I shouldn't vote, it only encourages them.
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Here's a protip: you can improve any song dramatically if you put "(Man!!)" in the title.
― N-N-Nineteen Not Out (King Boy Pato), Wednesday, 7 October 2009 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link
hahahaha that song is probably the most overblown, maxed-out thing on the record
this is all such lumbering crap but it is better than all other oasis for that reason. at least it is trying to be enormous. gah er erm er maybe d'ya know what i mean for the build-up/outro, maybe magic pie for the sheer lumpen massiveness, stand by me and be here now also possibilities
but i don't want to think about this music too much...in fact that's the best way to approach it
― kell surprise (country matters), Wednesday, 7 October 2009 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link
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"the most overblown, maxed-out thing on the record" you say?
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i meant 'it's getting better (man!!)' which for the last two minutes is just impressively stupid
― kell surprise (country matters), Wednesday, 7 October 2009 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link
oh, it doesn't matter anyway
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link
it doesn't matter (man!!)
heh
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link
inspirational thread
― (man!!) (country matters), Wednesday, 7 October 2009 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Really need to be "Man!! (Man!!)"
― N-N-Nineteen Not Out (King Boy Pato), Wednesday, 7 October 2009 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link
otm
― Man!! (Man!!) (country matters), Wednesday, 7 October 2009 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link
!!
― Man!! (Man!!) (country matters), Wednesday, 7 October 2009 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
7 minute pop single:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGaRDN8IMcg
― Squash weather (Eazy), Wednesday, 7 October 2009 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
going nowhere
― iatee, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Monday, 19 October 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
"It's Getting Better (Man)" represents pretty much everything which was wrong about this album.
Now, there are earlier Oasis tracks suffering from the same overblown wall of guitars which makes it almost impossible for me to listen to them without making my ears hurt. But "Rock'n'Roll Star" and "Some Might Say" are at least great songs, which cannot be said about "It's Getting Better (Man)"
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, 19 October 2009 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Nice bit of robot drumming on it during the intro, though. Probably because whoever the drummer guy was back then couldn't figure out anything that went with it other than dum - ksh - dum - ksh - dum - dum - ksh.
The chorus is so loud you can't actually hear the fucking drums.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 19 October 2009 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Also SOME REALLY LOUD TAMBOURINE.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 19 October 2009 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Three solid minutes of REALLY LOUD TAMBOURINE.
― James Mitchell, Monday, 19 October 2009 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link
ACTUALLY PART OF THE PROBLEM ABOUT OASIS' GUITAR BASED SONGS IS THAT T H E E N T I R E P R O D U C T I O N IS SO LOUD ALL THE TIME
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 00:49 (fourteen years ago) link
It's Getting Louder (Man!!)
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Went with "All Around The World" in a close toss with "Be Here Now," "Going Nowhere," "It's Getting Better (Man!!)" and "I Hope, I Think, I Know." I don't mind the overblown songs here, I just mind the ones that overblown AND drudgy - but their attempts at acid-fried giddiness are really great IMO. Not exactly charming, but enjoyable.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 15:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I always liked The Girl In The Dirty Shirt. One of the few songs on this record that are not so over-the-top.
This was one of the great momentum killing records in music history. They never really recovered from this, did they?
― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Went with Stay Young as it's closer to their anthemy britpop/rock "best" than anything that made it onto the album.
― Suggest Gandhi (onimo), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 15:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I cant remember which track Be Here Now is
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link
cant find a studio version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ns2UZa62XY
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link
cant say i remember this song at all
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 23:14 (fourteen years ago) link
"Wonderwall" was famously inspired by "Wonderwall Music" the album by George Harrison.
"Be Here Now" is a track off "Living in the Material World" by George Harrison.
Who's this John Lennon then?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link
the 'best Oasis track ever' poll is going to be confusing for random googlers
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 06:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Wow, gotta say I really didn't expect that. Fine song though!
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 12:28 (fourteen years ago) link
"Be Here Now" is among the better songs on the album, but by no means the best.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 12:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Wow, yeah, very surprising result. Glad to see more people participated in this poll than I thought too! I mostly agree with the results other than seeing "Magic Pie" get some votes, never much got the appeal of that one. I'd have ranked my top 5 something like this:
1. "D'You Know What I Mean"2. "Stand By Me"3. "Stay Young"4. "Don't Go Away"5. "Be Here Now"
― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 13:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Did I miss the Standing On The Shoulder of Giants era poll or have these wound down? Was enjoying the trip down memory lane...
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 26 October 2009 12:44 (fourteen years ago) link
This album was 'lack of memory lane' for me.
Played it twice, I think.
― Mark G, Monday, 26 October 2009 12:47 (fourteen years ago) link
This was the first Oasis album I ever bought on the day it was released, my 3rd C.D. I ever bought as well, so spent ages listening to it.
I missed the poll, but would have had to say Don't Go Away.
― Josh L, Monday, 26 October 2009 12:53 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm gonna get me a motorcar, maybe a Jaguar, maybe a plane or a day of fameI'm gonna be a millionaire, so can you take me thereWon't it be wild, cause my life's so tame
Would have made a fuckin hell of a closing track on a Noel Gallagher solo album.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 1 February 2010 04:07 (fourteen years ago) link
The main difference is that he reduced the volume of the 456 guitar tracks in the mix, isn't it ?A quieter, older guy mix !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 22 July 2016 19:01 (seven years ago) link
"d'you know what i mean" rules, blunted beats against a vicious wall of sound
― brimstead, Friday, 22 July 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link
The main difference is that he reduced the volume of the 456 guitar tracks in the mix, isn't it ?― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, July 22, 2016 7:01 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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Listening to it again, there's a hell of a lot that's been filtered out and re-positioned in the stereo field. It was always apparent that the original Be Here Now mixes were dense, with Owen Morris trying to cram every single last track into the mix, but listening to this has made me realise just how much they were trying to cram into the mixes. Like, they recorded that string section and it's so hard to pick out in the original mix it might as well have not even been there. The notable things that I've noticed is: no helicopter intro, and the wah-wah guitars at the beginning have been filtered out completely, as well as a lot of vocal harmonies and of course zillions of rhythm guitar overdubs and a couple of solo's here and there. There's more bass, too. It's a much more easier-on-the-ear mix and I agree with PaulTMA that it's a bit of a missed opportunity to not remix the whole album.
I noticed that the demo for 'D'You Know What I Mean?' also clocks in at over 7 minutes - clearly, it was always meant to be that long!
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Friday, 22 July 2016 19:43 (seven years ago) link
The drum sound still sucks, though.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Friday, 22 July 2016 19:45 (seven years ago) link
as I say, I'm sue the remix attempt was only five years after the event.
― Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link
Oasis artist poll will open next month. Starting to revisit now.
― Bee OK, Friday, 22 July 2016 20:31 (seven years ago) link
They really should have given the master tapes over to someone else to mix at the time, given how lousy the original mixes sound. That's apparently what Ash did when they were working with Owen Morris. Having said that, the secrecy surrounding this whole record at the time was (by all accounts) batshit and I'm not surprised that they never considered it an option.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Friday, 22 July 2016 20:59 (seven years ago) link
Putting aside the sonics, which has a greater number of good tunes: stone roses s/t or those first three oasis ones?
― calstars, Friday, 22 July 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link
Nice to hear the vocal harmonies in Know What I Mean. The dual vocal is also the best part of Stand By Me.
― calstars, Friday, 22 July 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link
Just listened to the new mix again. This is the definitive version, as far as I'm concerned. Remix the rest of the LP, Noel!
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Saturday, 23 July 2016 00:05 (seven years ago) link
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, October 7, 2009 3:35 PM (6 years ago)
lol, i remember i had at least a couple of dorky oasis obsessive friends back around the be here now era who insisted that every cover they ever did was better than the original, including "street fighting man" and "heroes." i kinda love this band despite everything but come on
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 23 July 2016 00:10 (seven years ago) link
I remember reading an interview with Owen Morris in which he said he didn't get why they were even bothering to attempt to cover those tracks for that reason.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Saturday, 23 July 2016 00:20 (seven years ago) link
this might be a good time to ask some questions about the upcoming Oasis poll.
i hate, hate, hate worst song polls but i think i need to do that for Oasis as they have some cringe worthy songs.
i was also thinking of doing a best cover side poll as well but are there any really good covers?
anything you would like to see for the Oasis poll?
thoughts?
― Bee OK, Saturday, 23 July 2016 01:38 (seven years ago) link
now, i will have to try this link.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 23 July 2016 01:47 (seven years ago) link
Oh man, during my teenaged Oasis fandom there was at least a week or two when my buddy and I convinced ourselves that their "I Am The Walrus" was way more far-out and sound-expanding than the original. Yeesh.
― we're gonna live in spatula city (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 23 July 2016 02:01 (seven years ago) link
i actually remember liking their version of "heroes" OK but yeah last time i put on the masterplan (which i mostly like) their take on "walrus" sounded so embarrassing i had to hit the skip button about halfway through.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 23 July 2016 02:06 (seven years ago) link
If they were really like the Beatles, they would've had Liam sing German versions of the songs, such as "Stehen Sie bei mir bitte".
― sbahnhof, Saturday, 23 July 2016 06:17 (seven years ago) link
the sonic excess of this album is part of the appeal.i mean seriously, the opening track without the helicopter intro!? dear god, what is the point ?
― mark e, Monday, 25 July 2016 21:10 (seven years ago) link
― brimstead, Monday, 25 July 2016 21:26 (seven years ago) link
I agree that it needs the helicopter intro, but then again it was absent on the single version too. I still think the new mix is an improvement - folks can talk all they like about how the excess was the point, but the new mix is listenable in a way that the original mix wasn't.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Monday, 25 July 2016 21:49 (seven years ago) link
due to this thread revival i dropped this album on the playlist earlier and fuck, i seriously do not want a re-dux version.
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i genuinely love the excess. having upgraded my system recently, i can actually hear all the various guitar parts...
― mark e, Monday, 25 July 2016 21:55 (seven years ago) link
glad some sense is finally being spoken
― imago, Monday, 25 July 2016 23:22 (seven years ago) link
no-one has suggestions for the Oasis poll? i will wing it.
btw, i like the new version. can finally understand what he is saying.
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 00:49 (seven years ago) link
what does he mean though
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 01:51 (seven years ago) link
the lyrics are just a mix of beatles titles and quotes, as usual, aren't they ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 09:04 (seven years ago) link
ahah, I never noticed (or cared) so I just checked the lyrics.man...
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 09:06 (seven years ago) link
man!!
― imago, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 09:16 (seven years ago) link
(man!)
― calstars, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 12:40 (seven years ago) link
the Man !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 13:00 (seven years ago) link
Did you mean covers as in album/single art? I'd vote for that, I like those Microdot sleeves.
The redo of DYKWIM sounds good at least (still too long and yeah the lyrics are crap) but then it was always the closest thing to a decent song on Be Here Now anyway.
― Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 13:17 (seven years ago) link
I still think 'It's Getting Better (Man!!)' is one of the best songs on the album and I'm still surprised it wasn't released as a single.
― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Tuesday, 26 July 2016 14:32 (seven years ago) link
hum. I'm not sure there's one good song on that album. maybe "stand by me" as an easy cheesy ballad...but there are some atrocious songs, for sure !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 26 July 2016 14:36 (seven years ago) link
Wow, I'd completely erased this album from my memory. I was 15 when it came out and me and my friends all went through the same hype cycle, convincing ourselves it was great for about a week, then piling on as we realised it was complete muck.
I remember there was a documentary about the album called Right Here Right Now on TV the night before it was released. It had this version of Stand By Me, which made the excess of the album version all the more hillarious:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ6Etl_BU64
Then cleaned up version of DYKWIM is actually decent - the When The Levee Breaks/Kashmir influence is more obvious. Of course Jimmy Page built the heaviness around the drums and a sense of space. Anyone who's messed around with a multitrack editor knows you can't just keep piling on overdubs - the fewer parts you have, the louder each of them can be.
― the_ecuador_three, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 15:12 (seven years ago) link
Oasis poll to open Monday. if there are any last minute suggestions for this poll then this weekend is it. i think i will go with three or four categories.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 July 2016 02:04 (seven years ago) link
tasty bits of Mea Culpa going on here
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/oct/06/flattened-by-the-cocaine-panzers-the-toxic-legacy-of-oasiss-be-here-now
― piscesx, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:52 (seven years ago) link
I thought it'd at least be another year before we saw another piece on this record!
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Thursday, 6 October 2016 16:34 (seven years ago) link
so this really was the 1st line in Stand By Me after all, lol
Made a meal and threw it up on Sunday I've gotta lot of things to learn Said I would and I'll be leaving one day Before my heart starts to burn
― Cosmic Slop, Thursday, 6 October 2016 16:43 (seven years ago) link
I don't really get the "it was too exciting to write a proper review!" excuse
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 6 October 2016 17:47 (seven years ago) link
Ah, this was less a piece about Oasis and more a piece about music critics.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Thursday, 6 October 2016 18:28 (seven years ago) link
Mojo’s reviewer was even moved to patois: “This is Oasis’s World Domination Album. Dem a come fe mess up de area, seeeeeeeeerious.”
― just sayin, Friday, 7 October 2016 07:22 (seven years ago) link
a positive review !
http://thequietus.com/articles/21162-oasis-be-here-now-review-anniversary
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 14:49 (seven years ago) link
The Mustique demos are on Youtube now and... christ, Owen Morris wasn't wrong when he said that they should have referenced the demos more. They're a lot more polished and fleshed out than I expected too, i.e. it's not just "Noel on an acoustic"
http://www.youtube.com/Bg2O3V1IzMI
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Sunday, 23 October 2016 11:50 (seven years ago) link
https://youtu.be/Bg2O3V1IzMI
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Sunday, 23 October 2016 11:53 (seven years ago) link
a positive review !http://thequietus.com/articles/21162-oasis-be-here-now-review-anniversary
Sorry, but this is a truly bizarre bit of writing. I can't think I've ever seen somebody go to such lengths to try to defend something and still have nothing to show for it at the end, not a single point rings true.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Sunday, 23 October 2016 12:54 (seven years ago) link
As a friend of Angus's for some years now, I must disagree (admittedly, I would). If anything I thought it was a good portrait both of the hothouse situation and looking back on the album. Also, I distinctly remember him talking up the album when I first got to know him back in 2001, so it's not him trying to push a contrarian view out of nowhere.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 23 October 2016 17:25 (seven years ago) link
I quite like it, especially for its exuberance. And I quite agree that it's their best album, of course
― imago, Sunday, 23 October 2016 17:32 (seven years ago) link
The 'Fade In-Out' demo is interesting in the way most of it ended up on the final version. It's excruciating hearing Noel circa 1996 singing it, though. Just totally wrong.
― pen pineapple apple pen (Turrican), Sunday, 23 October 2016 18:03 (seven years ago) link
there's NG interview about the reissue where he says that album should have had a stamp on it saying "to be consumed within 48h", like you should only listen to it once front to back, high on something, sitting in a park. and even that way...
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 24 October 2016 09:17 (seven years ago) link