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The American Busted. Their new one is good!

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 10 May 2003 16:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

And Iron Maiden are the kings of suck

Okay Anthony, now I'm REALLY going to tease you. Iron Maiden the kings of suck???? They are the epitome of 80s virtuoso demon metal! I will have a soft spot for any group that does songs about Satan, dogfighting and epic poetry with musicians trained at the Royal Academy.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

man Iron Maiden WERE FUNKY. they get my ass shakin like no other. i aint bein funny either.

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

you know in Sixteen Candles how Molly Ringwald notes that Anthony Michael Hall being king of the nerds SORTA makes him cool? Same thing with Iron Maiden. I saw a live DVD thing that was kind of so bad it's good, but SO BAD is a necessarily element to their thing. I doubt I could listen to an album, hell a SONG all the way without friends to laugh with and the sight of them PASSIONATELY doing that dumbass thing they do. Without visuals, they're indeed the Kings Of Suck.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

wow...

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

what Chaki finds funky I find funny and chunky.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's a strange way to talk about peanut butter.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

This settles it, Ant is insane.

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 10 May 2003 20:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

My first Maiden album was Seventh Son of a Seventh Son.

Novice!

And Iron Maiden are the kings of suck

Do not EVER talk to me again. Do not EVER address me again. If you see me coming down the street, AVERT YOUR GAZE or, better yet, CROSS THE STREET. Do not befoul the oxygen we might momentarily share by speaking. You do not exist to me.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 11 May 2003 14:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh shit.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 12 May 2003 01:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't think Anthony and I ever agreed about the unfunkiness of anything before, but he's dead-on about Iron Maiden -- if anything, they never amounted to much more than a louder, uglier, way less tuneful version of Jethro Tull with whatever little funkiness (via jazz fusion) Tull had taken out. Easily one of the most unlistenable supposedly important bands in the history of rock. I have yet to hear a SINGLE song by them that I enjoyed, EVER. Or that rocked me at ALL. And all their idiotic mythology bullshit was done more beautifully by scores of prog-rock bands, and more rockingly by scores of metal bands, BEFORE them. So yeah, "kings of suck" sounds just about right.

I also just remembered that Third Eye Blind's best song, "Losing a Whole Year," sounds more like Mott The Hoople (or at least solo Ian Hunter) than anything the Clash ever did. (And wow, didn't some Iron Maiden moron cover a Mott or Ian song on some solo LP once? Weird.)

chuck, Monday, 12 May 2003 14:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

didn't some Iron Maiden moron cover a Mott or Ian song on some solo LP once?

Mr. Dickinson covered "All the Young Dudes," so Mott/Bowie I guess. The video was craptacular.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 May 2003 14:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Easily one of the most unlistenable supposedly important
bands in the history of rock.

Oh, and Kix are so great, right?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 14:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

(settles in for a nice, long ILM war of words to deter her from doing any work this morning.)

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 12 May 2003 14:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

Chaki's belief that there was any funk involved with Iron Maiden is singularly his own. I doubt Messrs. Harris, Dickinson, Murray, Smith et al. would ever claim to be flag-bearers of the funk in the slightest. That said, I doubt they'd decry his shakin' his ass to them, but y'know....whatever mows your lawn.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 15:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

dude... you guys... WRAITHCHILD

chaki (chaki), Monday, 12 May 2003 15:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

there's no "i" in "Wrathchild"

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 15:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

>>>and Kix are so great, right?<<<

Just better than about 99.99 percent of rock bands since 1980; no big deal, I suppose. (*Especially* if early Cars + early AC/DC doesn't mow your lawn. Though Kix have their Hooplish moments too, actually.)

chuck, Monday, 12 May 2003 15:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

even when i was a little boy, Iron Maiden's sound appealed to me because they had a GROOVE.

chaki (chaki), Monday, 12 May 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm not feeling their funk either, but I got your back on this one Alex. Sure their whole image was kinda goofy in retrospect, but there is to be no disrespect for Maiden, ever. And certainly not from people who wished heavy metal never left the 70s.

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 12 May 2003 15:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Just better than about 99.99 percent of rock bands since 1980

And with that, the considerable burden of credibility was lifted from Chuck's aching shoulders.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 15:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

>>there is to be no disrespect for Maiden, ever. And certainly not from people who wished heavy metal never left the 70s.<<

The first sentence about really creeps me out, though I hope it's a joke. Either way, I should add that the mythology and operatic vocal bullshit has been done both more rockingly AND more beautifully than Maiden by scores of dark-metal (and other kinds of metal) bands AFTER them, as well. (Including lots and lots of bands -- from Voivod to Guns N Roses to beyond -- that claim Maiden as an *influence*!) So it ain't just the '70s that blows them out of the water, believe me. (Partly, it's just that they're VERY VERY EASY TO IMPROVE ON.)

chuck, Monday, 12 May 2003 16:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

>>The first sentence about really creeps me out,<<<

I meant "the first sentence above." (I.E. Anybody who thinks that there's ANY music that I'm not allowed to disrespect is, uh, wrong.)

chuck, Monday, 12 May 2003 16:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alex, thanks to your earlier post I can't get "Look Away" by Chicago out of my head. I doubt this was your intention.

And Chuck, I don't know why you decided that because I don't like certain honky voices (Rob "Gangsta Barker" Aston, Justin "Urkel Soul" Timberlake) I'm incapable of finding the funk.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 12 May 2003 16:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Partly, it's just that they're VERY VERY EASY TO IMPROVE ON.

So Maiden as a starter band if you like? Hm...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 May 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Either way, I should add that the mythology and operatic vocal bullshit

You've obviously never listened to the first two Maiden albums (pre-Bruce). I'm not saying you'd like them, but they have fuck-all to do with mythology or operatic vox.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 17:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Certainly there are lots of bad things to say about Iron Maiden (Bruce's vocals, the bad lyrics, the Eddie gimmick, some filler material on even their best albums, the post-'87 albums and the endless ripoff reissues and live cds) but at the end of the day they're in the same league as AC/DC, the Ramones and Motörhead: goofy and dated, but essentially beyond criticism in the most benign way possible.

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

The biggest problem with Iron Maiden is the way the instruments are mixed; there's too much bass and vocals and not enough anything else. I think their best moments are pretty spectacular though.

Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Except that AC/DC, the Ramones, and Motorhead (all of whom have made some bad records, by the way, and all of whom are really only beyond criticism to those who choose not to criticise them) at least all played rock'n'roll music. You know, with a backbeat and stuff.

chuck, Monday, 12 May 2003 18:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

>>but essentially beyond criticism in the most benign way possible<<

No. One's. Safe. (Honestly, that's a really ridiculous claim to make.)

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Certainly there are lots of bad things to say about Iron Maiden.......the Eddie gimmick

http://www.nolifetilmetal.com/Images/eddieanimated.gif

WHHAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTT???????

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh OK, you're right Kris, Maiden records are mixed abjectly into this weird ultra-lite sound. And, yes, their lyrics were bad. In fact, they're more nostalgia than anything. B-b-but "Hallowed Be Thy Name"! "Flight Of Icarus"! "Aces High"! Actually they're a very Hongro band for me. To get into them now I need to listen just for the (vocal and guitar) melodies (which really were pretty classic much of the time) and overlook other stuff like the weak sound/production or the lyrics. Eddie - maybe the best thing about them at the end of the day - and the voice were both classic though.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

(This whole 'funk' thing does seem a bit of a red herring though.)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

thats just my thing.

chaki (chaki), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

BTW I saw the "Blow My Fuse" video on the Power Hour a week or two ago. It's not that great.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

maiden is still selling out arenas.

chaki (chaki), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

They're playing with Motorhead in about a month. AND I'm going. AND I'm going to buy a fuckin' t-shirt, so you may verily bite me!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Me? I saw Motorhead last year.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

alex dont yell at me

chaki (chaki), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

I didn't yell at you, Chaki.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

ok ::stops crying::

chaki (chaki), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.nolifetilmetal.com/Images/edanim.gif

"OH FOR GOD'S SAKE, BE A MAN!"

Eddie (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm more of a man than any of you muthafuckas, it's so pathetic. Except I forgot to buy tix to the concert. I'm always doing that. And even though I am reminded, right now, to see if it's sold out, I'm still not going to look. Cos I'm fucking hardcore like that.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Iron Maiden and Anthrax were the only metal band I liked as a kid, mostly for the humor and the literary references.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't get me wrong -- there are PLENTY of moments in the Iron Maiden oeuvre that get me shuddering with palpable disdain ("Quest for Fire" and "Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner" primary among them), but their moments of gloriously hoary majesty positively dwarf those moments. If you can't appreciate the unbridled röcktäcity of "Two Minutes to Midnight," "Number of the Beast," "Die With Your Boots On," "The Trooper," "Sanctuary," "Running Free," "Aces High," etc. etc. etc., than I can't help you, but I pity your dull, colorless existence.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 20:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh yeah, Manowar did it way better, too. (AND they they had Scott Columbus's customized MARC Industries Drums of Death: "the ultimate drum system in the universe -- everything else is junk"!) But I dunno, maybe I *should* go back and check out those first couple Maiden albums, before what's-his-dork joined up. I haven't heard them in eons or more, I'll admit. Maybe Dickinson DID wreck the band Henry-Rollins-style, who knows? But I'm not paying more than a $1 each.

chuck, Monday, 12 May 2003 21:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Manowar might be more manly, and louder (and lightyears more rediculous), but their tunes are all so empty, really linear and simple - at least Iron Maiden had some substance to back all those arena anthems up (and enough humour to keep them from making total asses out of themselves). And by all means get those Di'Anno-sung albums, they're the band's best. If those don't convince you, you're beyond hope...

Anthrax have aged very badly by the way, I saw them a few months ago supporting Motorhead and they were just terrible all the way, the only thing I remember was a decent Caught In A Mosh.

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 12 May 2003 21:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

>>>Manowar might be more manly, and louder (and lightyears more rediculous), but their tunes are all so empty, really linear and simple - at least Iron Maiden had some substance to back all those arena anthems up<<<

Not gonna say I disagree with this (I really don't care about Manowar one way or another; they just seemed to have a sense of humor that Maiden lacked, which is at least SOMETHING), except to say that the equation of complexness with "substance" is just silly. I mean, the Ramones and AC/DC and Motorhead were, uh, somewhat linear too, right?

chuck, Monday, 12 May 2003 22:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, I'm not referring to Maiden's complexity (which IS overrated, the twin guitar melodies are dazzling but ultimately the songwriting isn't that adventurous), just that their riffs and melodies were really interesting and catchy in a fresh way whereas Manowar (and Running Wild, for example) only had these fairly old, tried-and-tested riffs and blew those up to huge epics.

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 12 May 2003 22:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does this mean that in 20 years time, there will be a gaggle of over-educated music fans defending Good Charlotte and their schtick (a la Alex in NY's defense of Maiden)?

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 12 May 2003 22:56 (twenty-one years ago) link


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