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"i think by treating it as a non-viable option you're chipping away at support for it, but i havent seen the film"

I don't think the movie treats it as non-viable option (in fact, in contrast to Knocked Up it's ACTUALLY brought up as an option.) The one actual pro-life person in the movie is portrayed as being totally ridiculous. Of course, the Planned Parenthood people are treated as being pretty doofus-y too which is kind of sad.

Alex in SF, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

The only thing the movie endorses is the heroine's delight in financially exploiting the wingbats on both sides.

i think it's too "equal opportunities" in its satire, but it's def pro-choice.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Stay away from Charlie Wilson's War, ethan."

Good advice for everyone.

Alex in SF, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

Any crit of Planned Parenthood is heresy, of course. Calls to mind the Clinton figleaf "SAFE, LEGAL AND RARE" -- like any Dem pols are breaking their backs to make it rare.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

It's just the choice Ruth makes at the end has nothing to do with whether or not to have her baby.

Eric H., Monday, 7 January 2008 18:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

If you like the music in Juno, Morbs, you should double-time it to a screening of Once.

Eric H., Monday, 7 January 2008 18:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

i think the movie pretty clearly doesnt think it's a good idea for ruth to have the baby, they just sidestep it by having her miscarry

and what, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

"like any Dem pols are breaking their backs to make it rare"

You are kidding, right? You don't think that trying to provide adequate family planning/birth control isn't trying to make it rare?

Alex in SF, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

and while the pro-choice wiccan lesbians are pretty goofy they arent as outright repugnant as the pro-lifers

and what, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

depends how you feel about wiccan lesbos.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

i dunno obviously youre getting close to bullshit south park style 'fair-minded' satire with that but if the pro-choicers were more saintly it wouldve been dismissable propaganda

and what, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Any crit of Planned Parenthood is heresy, of course."

I don't think that the movie's view of Planned Parenthood or the single pro-life girl is really intelligent enough to be called a crit anyway, but my experience with pro-lifers who stand outside of clinics is that they ARE wingbats while most people I've known who worked at those clinics were pretty normal so yeah I'd say it was a pretty lame "equal opportunity criticism" or whatever.

Alex in SF, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

xp: I do, Alex, and Dems, in the main, aren't doing enough for it.

Eric, given yr musical predilections I don't expect you to distinguish the Moldy Peaches from The Frames.

(however, I'm wary of Juno bcz I could easily be turned off by the Moldys' music being used as a crutch)

Apparently Ellen Page is behind the quantity of MPs on the soundtrack:

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/47444-the-moldy-peaches-reunite-for-ijunoi-premiere

Dr Morbius, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

Notice me not taking the bait, Morbs?

Eric H., Monday, 7 January 2008 18:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

"xp: I do, Alex, and Dems, in the main, aren't doing enough for it."

At what level? Nationally? State? Locally?

Alex in SF, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

yes, perhaps, sure

I know you're better than that, E.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

maybe ppl who actually have had to deal with abortion clinics should stick to discussing this and leave the opinions of bitchy old maid paultard queens out of it

and what, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

Oh haha OK Kimya Dawson is in the Moldy Peaches.

Sundar, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

Ouch.

"Enough" is tough standard. I certainly agree they could do more probably at all three levels. But no doubt in my mind that Dems at all levels are trying a lot harder than Republicans to make it "rare".

Alex in SF, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

maybe you should give me yr address, ethan, so you can see how bitchy I can get.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

maybe you should give me yr address, ethan, so you can see how bitchy I can get.

-- Dr Morbius, Monday, January 7, 2008 6:47 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

Scared? Kind of excited, too? All mixed up?

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

If memory serves, one of the songs has a lyric that went a little something like this: "I am the church and you are my steeple / We sure are cute for two ugly people."

Eric H., Monday, 7 January 2008 18:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah! delightful!

Dr Morbius, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

Eric, I think (OK, have the slimmest of hopes) you'd like "Steak for Chicken."

Dr Morbius, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think I'll take "who's that eating that nasty food."

Eric H., Monday, 7 January 2008 18:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

Are there guitars involved?

Eric H., Monday, 7 January 2008 18:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

I saw this with last week. I really liked it, but apparently because I didn't think it was the greatest film of the year, I've been getting flack from people. I mean, it was entertaining and funny.

Is this really the best movie of 2007, tho?

(I've been getting the same reaction to ONCE. I kinda liked ONCE, but people are horrified that I haven't already bought the DVD.)

Mordechai Shinefield, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

Wait -- you know people who own Once?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

Is there a Once thread? The arguments there should be "fun." (except I'm not sure if anyone besides Mordechai has been kind to it here)

How did you get past the guitars on Prince records, E?

Dr Morbius, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

Why is that so hard to believe, Alfred? I know at least two people (including one who posts here) who called it their favorite film of the year.

jaymc, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

The Belated Thread for Once

jaymc, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

i thought it was pretty pro-life, really. it's also incredibly obnoxious, unfunny, and formulaic.

lauren, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

Well, yeah. The abortion clinic scene was really horrid. But I laughed at things at least a few times. I thought Rainn Wilson was funny. And - erm - yeah.

Mordechai Shinefield, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

actually, probably all of my favorite movies are formulaic so that's not neccessarily a criticism. but if you're going to make a gigantic song and dance about how iconoclastic the characters are, fill the script with badly-handled "indie" signifiers, and change your name to d1ablo cody, then it might be a problem.

lauren, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

How did you get past the guitars on Prince records, E?

Um, they ejaculate instead of dribble a limp stream of tears?

Eric H., Monday, 7 January 2008 19:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

Hell, I even like Juno more than Once, and that probably includes the music too.

Eric H., Monday, 7 January 2008 19:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

is d1ablo cody any relation to turn3r cody? the moldy peaches thing would at least make sense then

bell_labs, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

It's a pseudonym.

Eazy, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

I like that one Once song. "Falling Slowly"

I can't remember any of the others.

Mordechai Shinefield, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

I found Once pretty horrifying, lots worse than Juno, but these thoughts don't belong here.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

ALSO:

Shadowcat PWNs Juno.

Mordechai Shinefield, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

I thought Rainn Wilson was funny

that was by far the worst scene, every other word was some ridiculous bullshit like "homeskillet"

the first half of this was super anoying .... got a little better later I thought

dmr, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

the scene with the ultrasound technician is pretty terrible, too.

lauren, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

god forbid anyone criticize teenage pregnancy!

lauren, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

I haven't been in the suburbs since I moved out of my parent's home, but the "homeskillet" dialogue seemed true to a bunch of middle class white kids who thought they were linguistically cutting edge. But probably someone would know better than me.

Mordechai Shinefield, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

The film wasn't criticizing teenage pregnancy. If anything, it was glorifying it. It was criticizing abortion.

Mordechai Shinefield, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

the scene with the ultrasound technician is pretty terrible, too.

A total failure. Janney did the best with those curdled wisecracks, but I ended up sympathizing with the technician.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

oh, sorry lauren. I didn't put your two comments together.

Mordechai Shinefield, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

But yeah, fuck the technician for being relieved that the baby was going to be adopted.

Mordechai Shinefield, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

by the end of that scene, i was hoping that the technician would punch her in the stomach.

lauren, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:23 (6 years ago) Permalink


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