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the movie is dumber than i anticipted. no way in hell im going to see the second one. thank god i saw the shit for free.

pepsiisgood, Saturday, 11 October 2003 14:37 (twenty years ago) link

except for the first sequence with vivica a fox, I didn't think it was as violent as I was led to believe; the "big scene" at the end was in black and white which really took the edge off that. it was fun, probably my least favorite tarantino film but then I don't feel like I've seen the whole thing yet.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 11 October 2003 14:42 (twenty years ago) link

I'm liking it more the longer I think about it. I don't particularly care what happens in the next instalment as far as the "cliffhanger" goes, as long as it comes up with some other ideas. Uma wasn't as hard to take as I thought she would be. I agree with s1utsky on the plane sequence-loved it. However, the Sonny Chiba sequence totally dragged and got on my nerves, and could have been about three minutes, really. Another reservation would be that all Tarantino movies have to have the "I'm a bad ass motherfucker speech" which is usually just the same speech with a few different phrases dropped in (see Lucy Liu & Vivica Fox here). Some of the music (especially during the House of Blue Leaves scene) was excellent.

Quentin drives the Pussy Wagon now.

adaml (adaml), Saturday, 11 October 2003 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

Wouldn't it be more fun if we all donned Victorian garb and debated vivisection?

Aimless, Saturday, 11 October 2003 15:19 (twenty years ago) link

everyone who sez the 2 part thing is a scam = otm [furthermore unless the script has been overhauled since the draft i read, the second half will be a very dull & annoying stand-alone] but i liked it.

also the garden behind the House Of Blue Leaves is one of the most beautifully designed + lit sets of all time.

jones (actual), Saturday, 11 October 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

I read that the second part will shift from Vol 1's blaxploitation (Fox=Pam Grier) and Hong Kong/Kurosawa nods to Italian horror movies and spaghetti westerns. That might be a startling transition, but I bet it'll play out really well when the whole thing is released as one film on DVD.

Also, I hope they release a special edition DVD that comes with a free "PUSSY WAGON" keychain.

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 11 October 2003 15:56 (twenty years ago) link

they will but the free keychain will be sold seperately

jones (actual), Saturday, 11 October 2003 16:02 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't quite get the fact that each of the victims would be disposed of in a sequence paying homage to a new film genre, so this kind of interests me. Make mine giallo!

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 11 October 2003 18:53 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I was just realizing that too! It's pretty clear that Budd = (spag) westerns, but will Elle Driver and Bill each correspond to a specific genre?

Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 18:59 (twenty years ago) link

The B&W thing was a little inexplicable.

s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:24 (twenty years ago) link

Really outstanding.
I've been so sick of kitchy kung fu in movies but the violence in Kill Bill was surprising, inspired malevolence. The whole thing was somwhere between po-mo fantasy and genre myth making. I was intitially dissapointed to hear about the movie being split in two but I thought Volume One worked well enough as a self contained piece that far too much is being made of the distribution plan. It dependsom if you're a fan of Tarentino or not, I've only come around fairly recently in appreciating his work, but to me Kill Bill is just as worth of respect as Pulp Ficiton.

theodore fogelsanger, Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:31 (twenty years ago) link

Nate the Cynic: "I bet they changed it to black and white because the blood and the SFX looked too unconvincing in color"

Nate the Dork: "HOLY FUCKING SHIT HE'S BRINGING IT RAGING BULL STYLE"

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:32 (twenty years ago) link

S1utsky: "meh"

s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:45 (twenty years ago) link

but then a couple seconds later with the silhouette scene:

S1utsky: "yeh"

s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:45 (twenty years ago) link

I hate it when you try to post something and it fucks up and you lose your whole post.

hey that black and white part was obviously that Sword of Doom reference I was talking about it isn't inexplicable !@#$#@!$@

I just heard that there's like an "easter egg" after the end credits, so now I'm pissed I didn't stay for them. Did anyone see it? Could you descibe it to me?

Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:55 (twenty years ago) link

THAT SILHOUETTE SCENE WAS FUCKING INCREDIBLE TO ME.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:56 (twenty years ago) link

i was thinking that perhaps the black and white was for an R rating. (honestly tho it hardly seemed more violent than a monty python skit at that point)

what genre was the vernita green scene supposed to represent?

ryan (ryan), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

Ryan, my friend made the same point (about ratings), but then jones said it was in the original script. I don't know what to believe anymore.

Dan: yeah, how great was that!

s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:05 (twenty years ago) link

Okay, I guess it turns out that the "easter egg" was a misunderstanding cause in the version that they originally showed the critics they had the airplane scene at the end after the credits, but now of course it isn't. So nevermind...

Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:09 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, and in case anyone's interested, here's an early version of the script. A lot of it has been changed, obviously, but a lot of it is also the same. Obviously this would completely SPOIL it for you, so don't read these SPOILERS if you don't want to know what's basically going to happen (I mean, besides the stuff that we already know will basically happen).

here: http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~alexward/script.htm

Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:24 (twenty years ago) link

Actually let me just post one tiny little non-spoily excerpt from that that relates directly to what we were talking about earlier: "This could be the opening shot of a Texas zombie movie."

Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

OMG, I somehow forgot about the silhouette scene. Amazement seconded, and thirded. Did the first shot of that sequence briefly remind anyone else of Prince's video for "Kiss", or am I just nuts?

adaml (adaml), Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:46 (twenty years ago) link

Big meh. I'm disappointed. How many times is an otherwise well-choreographed fight ruined by overmanaging editor? GOOD ACTION NEEDS CONTINUITY.

Leee (Leee), Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:54 (twenty years ago) link

Thanks adam! I knew it reminded me of some music video, but I couldn't remember which one.

Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 21:14 (twenty years ago) link

what genre was the vernita green scene supposed to represent?

Pam Grier blaxploitation, supposedly (though I am disappointed with the lack of razors hidden in her hair)

nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 11 October 2003 22:05 (twenty years ago) link

Uma & Daryl Hannah had cool hair.

movie is worth seeing, but not the greatest that was released this year.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 12 October 2003 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

Okay, this is really geeky of me but:

Bud = Zombie
Elle = Western
Bill = "suspense" of all things.

Sorry.

Dan I., Sunday, 12 October 2003 01:04 (twenty years ago) link

Saw it last night. Wife and I both loved it. My wife is Japanese and she giggled through most of the Japanese language scenes because the acting was so hammy (in her words). It's basically an over-the-top, funny, violent comic book movie - if you believe that "funny" and "violent" can coexist. If not, avoid. My fave stuff, though:

1) GO-GO! She steals the movie, IMHO, and her duel scene with The Bride is the highlight of the final big fight sequence.

2) The rockin' handclap/kick/synth(?) track that played as the anime O-ren Ishii was rooftop sniping. If this is a RZA track I just want an entire cd of this type of shit. If it's not RZA -- who is it?

: related note : I was surprised at the non-Wuness of the incidental music. Really simple yet suspenseful use of sounds with nary an MPC beat in sight.And that Morricone music *swoon*!

3) The orange skies fake ass airplane scenes.

Good movie. Can't wait to see it again.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Sunday, 12 October 2003 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think there was any Morricone music. You might be thinking of Bernard Herrmann ("Twisted Nerve" -- the one with all the whistling) or Luis Bacalov (Bacalov:Morricone::Gap Band:Parliament).

nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 12 October 2003 14:52 (twenty years ago) link

I walked past the Empire LS on Friday eve, and there were lots of ladies outside the 'Kill Bill' opening night also dressed up in yellow tracksuits - it was one of the greatest things I've ever seen

Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 12 October 2003 15:06 (twenty years ago) link

Gogo was played by the chick who did Chigusa in Battle Royale

Kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 12 October 2003 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

Wouldn't it be nice if, in the year of 'shock and awe', an American director made a film which wasn't 'the most violent movie ever' or 'the ultimate film violence desensitizer'?

I will chop up violent people with a machete or bang their heads repeatedly in a door.

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 12 October 2003 18:58 (twenty years ago) link

(I stayed for the music credits. There was one Morricone track -- but much more Bacalov.)

jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 12 October 2003 19:25 (twenty years ago) link

Oh. I was just going by the soundtrack, and if there was a Morricone song listed in the credits, I was too busy going "OH SHIT YES, BIXIO-FRIZZI-TEMPERA*" to notice.

*those who own Beretta 70 will understand my dorkery.

nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 12 October 2003 19:40 (twenty years ago) link

Wouldn't it be nice if, in the year of 'shock and awe', an American director made a film which wasn't 'the most violent movie ever' or 'the
ultimate film violence desensitizer'?


but its the only thing the world still loves us for! well, that and our pizza pies. and our, how you say, yankee doodle mutherfucker cheeseburgers.

scott seward, Sunday, 12 October 2003 19:50 (twenty years ago) link

yankee doodle mutherfucker cheeseburgers

That sounds like the best Applebee's menu item ever. Eatin' good in the neighborhood!

nate detritus (natedetritus), Sunday, 12 October 2003 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

"Wouldn't it be nice if, in the year of 'shock and awe', an American director made a film which wasn't 'the most violent movie ever' or 'the
ultimate film violence desensitizer'?"
This reminds me of an interview with Iranian director Abbas Kairostami on the dvd for "Taste of Cherry," He talks briefly about being on a film festvial panel with Tarentino. Kairostami apparently appreciated Tarentino's films above most violent American entertainment because the director "removes the tension from violence."
Tarentino's film sets a new standard for cinema violence during an actually violent cultural politcal era but isn't their something to the idea that since his film is also a richly plotted revenge tragedy, we're being asked to laugh at the absurd circularity of back and forth combat? It seems like there's plenty of American films that ignore the bloodiness of the world.

Theodore Fogelsanger, Sunday, 12 October 2003 20:13 (twenty years ago) link

David Thomson on that very subject here: http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/film/features/story.jsp?story=451658

For what it's worth when I went to see it for a second time today (to sort out my conflicting thoughts on it) two jackasses brough their 10-12 year old sons and i thought that was pretty horrifying. I doubt they can appreciate the irony of the violence.

ryan (ryan), Sunday, 12 October 2003 21:07 (twenty years ago) link

i doubt that i could appreciate the irony of all those steve mcqueen, charles bronson, and clint eastwood movies that my dad took me to when i was 10-12. oh wait, there wasn't any irony. i know i had a hard time trying to figure out richard pryor's vibrator routine when my dad took me to see his first concert movie when i was a kiddie.

fyi to momus-kill bill has a great eyepatch scene.

scott seward, Sunday, 12 October 2003 21:22 (twenty years ago) link

ha! yeah i dont know. i saw lots of shit when i was that age too. but when they start talking about raping comatose women i started to squirm.

ryan (ryan), Sunday, 12 October 2003 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

although granted many adults are about as emotionally developed as 12 year olds anyway so maybe my concern is simply irrelevant!

ryan (ryan), Sunday, 12 October 2003 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

The B&W thing was a little inexplicable.

Yeah, well, it was a last minute change, I believe. Check the original teasers and trailers, and you may be able to see at least one or two quick cuts that are in color there that were b/w in the film.

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I'm sorry, but this film just flat out sucked. I'm not even going to go into detail, because all I have to say is this - I was not engaged at all on any level whatsoever in any sort of emotion, experience, suspense, enjoyment (or distate, for that matter). It just felt totally flat, empty, and dull. Actually, fuck that, I'm not apologizing. This film sucked, and I do really only say this about once a year, but
"I WANT MY TIME BACK!"

Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 12 October 2003 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

i see your point Girolamo - and maybe my fascination is really me wondering "is it REALLY that empty?" - but i get off on shallow cinematic masturbation, for one thing, and im not totally sure it is a waste of time. it has certainly made me think a lot!

ryan (ryan), Sunday, 12 October 2003 21:33 (twenty years ago) link

TS:

Wouldn't it be nice if, in the year of 'shock and awe', an American director made a film which wasn't 'the most violent movie ever' or 'the ultimate film violence desensitizer'?

vs.

"Wouldn't it be nice if, in a time of racism, sexism, Republicanism, and general assholishness, a 'cool kids' magazine didn't gleefully rejoice in these things, in the name of supposedly 'desensitizing' us to them?"

Sam J. (samjeff), Sunday, 12 October 2003 21:33 (twenty years ago) link

(ha ha, i'm just kiddin')

Sam J. (samjeff), Sunday, 12 October 2003 21:34 (twenty years ago) link

Girolamo- i couldn't possibly have a more opposite reaction. you felt it was flat, empty, and dull whereas i felt it was fat, filled to bursting and quite entertaining. it was even silly and colorful and dopey and raucous. maybe you don't like movies that are strictly entertainment? some people need more to chew on, i suppose. or a plot that is longer then a sentence or two. that's understandable.

visually too, it was quite lovely. and i enjoyed the music as well.

scott seward, Sunday, 12 October 2003 21:34 (twenty years ago) link

"Wouldn't it be nice if, in a time of racism, sexism, Republicanism, and general assholishness, a 'cool kids' magazine didn't gleefully rejoice in these things, in the name of supposedly 'desensitizing' us to them?"

That thesis was, I believe, disproved.

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 12 October 2003 21:40 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think there was any Morricone music. You might be thinking of Bernard Herrmann ("Twisted Nerve" -- the one with all the whistling) or Luis Bacalov (Bacalov:Morricone::Gap Band:Parliament).

Hmm. The music I'm thinking of was during the "sword presentation ritual" with the whistling, with Edda Dell Orso (sp?) type singing - sounded just like something out of a Leone western. I need to check out this Bacalov feller. Any recommendations?

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Sunday, 12 October 2003 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

Yahoo AP reports list it as the big moneymaker for the weekend at US $22M.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 12 October 2003 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

ugh. When I saw it a Mexican family was there that included three or four little boys, probably aged 6-13. Every once in a while one of the kids would say something in a sort of loud voice, but since it was in Spanish I don't know if it was along the lines of "Woah, cool!" or "Mom I'm scared!"

Probably not a good thing though; little kids shouldn't be watching all that violence!

Dan I., Monday, 13 October 2003 00:05 (twenty years ago) link


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