Monty Python's Flying Circus - Classic or Dud?

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and sphincter.

A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 October 2009 18:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

Take it to I Love TMI.

a wicked 60s beat poop combo (Pancakes Hackman), Monday, 5 October 2009 18:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

Where is the love for the Monty Pythons albums?? ABSOLUTE TOTAL FUCKING CLASSIC!!

Monty Python's Flying Circus, though, is pretty duddy. Way too much laughtrack.

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 02:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

you're deranged, TV was their medium.

A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 02:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

people ragging on python must not have seen 90% of other tv. i'm hoping.

Brewer's Bitch (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 08:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

it didn't have a 'laugh track,' it was filmed in front of an audience.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

Are you sure about that? Not the filmed bits -- I don't believe any TV comedy was permitted NOT to have a laugh track in that era.

A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

British TV didn't use laugh tracks, as far i'm aware

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

Definitely in front of an audience from the start and the laughter you hear is live -- it's not only been discussed in any number of books/documentaries but a slew of sketches specifically use the audience as either backdrop or part of the whole thing. (Best example being the second season ender, the cannibal undertakers, which involved the audience supposedly rising up and charging the set in protest.)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

I can't think of a single British comedy series of the 60s and 70s with one

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

Sketch in question:

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

One of the Pythons mentions in a later book and interview that this didn't quite go off as planned since most of the audience were loving it -- you can hear a few plants from staff/friends complaining and catcalling but the initial cutaways to the audience show 'em all chilling. The 'stage invasion' is a little easygoing at points. And then they all stand for the queen (the conceit of the episode being that Her Majesty was supposedly tuning in that night -- whenever she did so the national anthem was played, etc.)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 17:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hahaha I have very strong memories of that sketch!

The Book of Outhere (HI DERE), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 17:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

Based on the time you broke into the mortuary and...well anyway.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 17:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

That IFC special sounds pretty cool!

Darin, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

Cleese, sounding off on everything:

I went through a very unpleasant divorce and discovered just how hopeless the American legal system is.... Now I have to pay one million dollars a year until I’m 76. So that means I have to organize my life around earning the first million dollars every year. And the normal sources of income for people like me are drying up. There aren’t as many film and TV parts — and you can do interesting documentaries but they don’t pay anything. So I’m doing one-man shows and other things ...

(on quitting the MPFC series)

Two things: One is I did not like the fact that we were repeating a lot of our material, even if other people didn’t notice; the others didn’t care. They were having a good time. I think if one was playing “I’m the pure artist,” I would win on that one. The other thing was that I was carrying the alcoholic [the late Graham Chapman]. That seems to get forgotten in all of these discussions. They were completely blind to an extraordinarily important point, which was: I was the guy who was having to work with the alcoholic. They never said, ‘We’ll share part of that burden with you. I’ll write with him one day a week.’ This is never mentioned. It was ‘Oh, John was rather difficult … ’

There were two types of days: days where I did 80 percent of the work and days when Graham did 5 percent of the work. He was basically lazy, but he had two great qualities: He was the most extraordinary sounding board and he was capable of coming in with very good off-the-wall ideas. But he was very lazy.

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2009/10/interview_john_cleese_slams_ex.html

Your Favorite Saturday Night Thing (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 October 2009 13:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

Gilliam was on the One Show last week, making very Bryan Ferry-esque statements about the Nazis.

I thought I could make it work because you look a bit like a man (aldo), Monday, 12 October 2009 13:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

Graham Chapman may have been an alcoholic layabout, but he was an extremely funny one. So there.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Monday, 12 October 2009 17:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

Anything but mindless good taste for him.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Monday, 12 October 2009 17:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

I would love to read a book about Graham Chapman. He was a wild guy!

existential eggs (Abbott), Monday, 12 October 2009 17:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

He wrote A Liar's Autobiography. Great title.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 October 2009 17:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

Cleese: the Ingmar Bergman of the Pythons

boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Monday, 12 October 2009 17:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

He's funny, too.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Monday, 12 October 2009 17:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

Great commercials, all of them. The Mac vs. PC ads of their day.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Monday, 12 October 2009 17:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

He wrote A Liar's Autobiography. Great title.

Well, "wrote" is a bit of a stretch, it ended up being a collaboration with four other writers(including Douglas Adams).

Yeah, Python always had a live audience. In fact rewatching the first episode is fascinating in this regard, as you can practically hear the unease in the studio as if they aren't quite whether they should be laughing at this.

Oh, while we're here, is everyone aware of Eric Idle's latest Python-milking atrocity?

He is absolutely determined to squeeze every drop of life out of those withered teats, isn't he?

Pheeel, Monday, 12 October 2009 20:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

Cleese: the Ingmar Bergman of the Pythons

so you wd say, Smiles of a Summer Night hata

Your Favorite Saturday Night Thing (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 01:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

xpost dunno, is that not "what it says on the tin"?

(didn't watch clip tbf)

Mark G, Tuesday, 13 October 2009 07:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

yes, but there was previously Spamalot, and that seemed a bit on the "get your own career" side already.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 07:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

Not that it was bad or anything. I didn't see it, but 14 Tony noms isn't too shabby. Idle has a way with a tune, hafta admit. Even so. Enough, already.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 07:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

S'funny, cause about 10 years ago when Idle appeared on the Craig Kilborn show, Kilborn announced forthright that Idle refused outright to talk about MP - a kinda unprecedented occurrance, especially for a particularly irreverent talk show host. (In the end, Idle brought his acoustic guitar and sang an amusing little song called "I'm Waiting For the Film".)

Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 08:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

I did.

Well, if anyone's going to, and people want to see it, hey...

The above bit reminded me of some TV appearance where he had it stated "No monty python" whic was like taking the elephant out of the room, and did new/different things, and by all accounts was great.

XPOST!

Mark G, Tuesday, 13 October 2009 08:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

I just got this like six disc doc about MP has anybody seen it??

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 08:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

DavidM, Tuesday, 13 October 2009 08:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

"And Gilliam, being American, went to no known school whatsoever." Heh.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 10:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

Very nicely done, sir. :)

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 10:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

(One quibble -- his answer about Life of Brian is disingenuous. It hardly matters that Jesus also appears in the film. The film mercilessly makes fun of the New Testament in many places -- its inscrutable language, its impossible instructions -- and worse yet, it points out the solid fact, as its premise even, that Jesus was one of many prophets who were hanging 'round at the time, and perhaps suggests that Jesus' choice as the one messiah was more or less arbitrary. idle knows all this. But I suppose to really answer the question would be to start a theology debate, which he likely is not interested in doing. So why address that question at all?)

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

That Palin + Cleese vs. Muggeridge + Bishop of Southwark confrontation is classic though, not that Palin contributes much

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

palin very nervous, as opposed to cleese seeming like he's been looking forward to it his whole life.

Brewer's Bitch (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

He comes across as a guy you wouldn't want to fall out with

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

Cleese? or Idle?

Mark G, Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

Cleese/Fawlty

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think I saw Palin say that he was very angry about it all and had a selection of excellent debate points prepared, but then Cleese started with the jokes and he didn't know what to do with his serious arguments.

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hard not to resort to humour when confronted with Mervyn Stockwood, the gayest Bishop in Christendom

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

He comes across as a guy you wouldn't want to fall out with

Apparently not even being Cleese's friend from college age, and his longtime professional partner, and then dying suddenly and very sadly, will save you from his scorn.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't know if that makes him a bastard cocksucker or not, though. It probably is, in fact, quite difficult to work with someone who, though brilliant, has no work ethic at all and actually has the shakes if made to work for long hours.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

No, can't be too critical of someone who has to work with an alcoholic

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

He comes across as a guy you wouldn't want to fall out with

― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), 13 October 2009 11:09 (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Cleese? or Idle?

― Mark G, 13 October 2009 11:11 (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

God

Brewer's Bitch (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

xp It does seem rude of him, though. Why say those things? Why bother at this point?

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, look what he did to poor old Graham Chapman :( (xp)

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

^ God, that is, not Cleese... or Idle

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 11:28 (4 years ago) Permalink


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