― Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
the big difference lately has been where the jams come in: the songs used to start normally and then deconstruct into a jam; now, the jams start as a lot of unrelated noodeling that (eventually) coheres into a song. it can be rewarding to listen to, but takes a lot of patience -- and they don't always pull it off.
― bucky wunderlick, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
For some reason, I always have a better time at YLT if I'm sitting down. Having seen them in the two theatres at the Royal Festival Hall, (one time with Sonic Boom along for the ride...) I thought they were one of the best bands I'd ever seen in my life- adventurous, chaotic, spontaneous, yet tightly controlled and disciplined. Amazing shows.
And then I saw then a few months ago, at an overcrowded, poorly sounded show in Shepherds Bush, and I thought they were one of the worst bands I'd ever seen in my life, their solos interminable and their free jazz intolerable.
So, it really can vary, depending on both the band, and the state in which you see them (mentally, not as in US)
Sonic Youth at ATP2000 has gone down in the dictionary as The Worst Show Ever Performed By A Rock Band. No, really, look it up, there's a little picture of Kim and her trumpet.
― masonic boom, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
I'm afraid I can't live with Nitsuh's ref to 'abilities'. My feeling was, here's an average rock guitar player - come to think of it, a BAD rock guitar player, by the standards of most professional-type axe-workers - and he's going to prove it ad nauseam.
― the pinefox, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
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― Josh, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
When I go to a concert I want more than there is on the record. I want that the band play a set just for me, something unique, which will never be reproduced. That is also the reason why I love improvisations. And YLT and SY do exactly that. They make me feel that I am part of the show. They make human music, MBV does not. And live shows are not about perfection. Especially the imperfect bits, the false tones, the unplanned things make the charm of a live show.
@Josh: You should go and see them. You have missed something.
― alex in mainhattan, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Josh, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
Keithkey is spot-on. And comparing that YLT geezer to Hendrix seems to me a serious critical misjudgement - like comparing, um, Simon Armitage to Wyndham Lewis or something. No, worse than that.
― the pinefox, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
To the others: try for loads of Yo La Tengo live songs. Blue Line Swinger is a classic for example. I like the version at St. Louis which is stretched to ten minutes. The song evolves very slowly. Almost like Low's cover of Joy Division's Transmission (one of the few covers which can compete with the original). I must admit I did not have the time to listen to all these mp3's. Anyways next time they are around and they love Germany and Germany loves them I will go to see them.
― gareth, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
Sonic Youth played the single most amazing live show I have ever seen , at the ICA in 1983 or 1984. The three or four times I have seen them since they have been boring: I realise I have been buying records and liking them purely in expectation of having a repeat experience delivered. Nothing suggests to me that this *cannot* occur: but it *may* not. I have next to no opinion abt Yo La Tengo either way.
― mark s, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
To Alex in all seriousness -- well, again, a matter of perception here. Were you fortunate enough to attend, you might have found the YLT set opening for MBV involved and interesting, but as mentioned for me aside from the one song it was crudulous (I vaguely remember Ira starting on stage flailing all around on his guitar and trying to 'rock out,' I guess -- it looked stupid and I wasn't impressed). MBV, for my money, had enough get-into-it live energy to easily carry the performance -- Deb Googe was always the most active of the bunch, unquestionably, but on things like the 35-minute (yes!) version of the "You Made Me Realize" midsong jam that I saw at the second show everybody seemed possessed by the music and performance. To be sure, Kevin and Bilinda were mostly concentrating on what they were playing and getting it across -- but the music itself was so enveloping, it was insane. The first time I saw them that year, the overcrowded, packed club audience were constantly swaying back and forth, unsteady, a queasy slow-motion pit while the band blasted away. Who needed acrobatics on the stage itself at that point?
As for Sonic Youth's alleged improv skills -- hm. The one time I saw them back in 1999, it was just after the equipment theft, so I allowed for the fact that it was a greatest hits set of a sort and fairly conservative all around, played on borrowed equipment and generally not being much different from what was on record (they did at least do my all time favorite SY song "Mote," though, so I was very pleased). Great was my surprise when I learned from a friend who had been at both that show and the SF show just before the instrument theft that they had played *the same exact set*. I had been resolutely unconvinced by them over time, and that just made it all the worse.
And don't knock the Pinefox -- like it or not, Alex, there *are* people with different opinions from yourself who will hold to that opinion just as strongly as you do yours. ;-)
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
Wait -- so for a comeback, you're making fun of the fact that he's from Germany? That crosses the line, IMHO, especially inasmuch as his English is just fine; I suspect you wouldn't do that with someone from Japan, or Ghana, or so on. Attack his arguments, if you like, but not his ethnicity.
As for Yo La Tengo, surprisingly, I know very little of their recorded output. However, when I saw them live in May 1998 (my band, among others, opened for them), I enjoyed it quite a bit. Talkative college students ruined all the quiet songs (which were very good otherwise), and the loud songs were fun -- Ira was tossing his guitar everywhere, squalling and howling. It was a good time.
― Phil, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
To the previous question:
I found YLT to be quite enjoyable live. A very professional, tight band who know when to let go and when to come back in.
I missed them at the Town Hall shows here in town tho, and have never been to a sit-down show with them. I'm sure it's on par with Kronos or going to hear chamber music.
― JM, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
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― Dr. C, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
which is why the sonic youth comparisons mystify me, unless we're only talking about the last two sy geffen albums, and even that's doubtful. maybe i haven't heard the right ylt but what i heard just sounded like another, albeit better-than-average, music-for-old- people indie-mumble band. i don't see a "death valley '69" coming out of that bunch anytime soon.
i didn't think sy were especially known for their improvisations live. most of what's on the records sounds pretty through-composed to me. obviously they stretch out some songs but they were never a postpunk dead afaik. too bad to hear they were in poor form at atp last year. i saw them last summer in montreal and they were good, though the show was short. they even opened with a searing version of "burning spear" and did stellar versions of "schizophrenia" and "kool thing," closing with an extended "nyc g&f." their workout through their whole back catalogue did make me appreciate that i like some parts of it a lot more than others.
― sundar subramanian, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
@Pinefox: Nice reply. I could not stop laughing (I am dead serious). But how about: Who are you mainhattan characters? They are only, like you say and with energy supply people. They seem, in the music bang so much, versed to be (you know mouse also Falco Jacob, swing me, amadeus, OH - . I would like to know well-being their world opinion in the morning. It neckt Karikaturbonfire it I). If you go into such a way on writing, it, type of merry, is you is, like film star of years 20. Therefore they like, everything are good you in the love music of the forum I. Now it makes sense. Thanks to Babelfish. So you like Lloyd Cole? Mmm. Me too. But could it be that you have taken the title of his last album too literal? Don't get weird on me pinefox.
@Phil: No. My English is crap and was even worse in that post above. And you are exaggerating. Pinefox cracked a joke. I do not think that this is enough to start a war. And I guess our ethnicity is the same (I am Indo-European). But thanks anyway.
― alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
My first experience to MBV, as I've gone on about elsewhere (time and again!) on this board, was pure shock and stunned trance at how wonderful it was, hearing "Soon" for the very first time. That had about as much to do with rationality as throwing myself off a cliff because I might bounce.
I have no problem with you arguing your case and all, but junk your attempts at artistic psychoanalysis. If you can't accept the fact I disagree, that's your problem and not mine.
On the other hand when I read your last post I am flabbergasted by your sensitivity.
I accept that and I do not want to go any deeper (only a little bit). I just wanted to understand why our judgements differ. Especially as we start from practically the same point. When I saw MBV ten years ago they were my favourite group. Loveless was the most hypnotic album of the 90s. A song like When you sleep is absolutely stunning and still today. The concert left me totally cold. No interaction between the band and the public whatsoever. Except some stage-divers. When I went to see YLT the first time I did not expect a lot. And Ira talked to us and reacted when people asked for songs. And he was playing guitar like a devil (sorry another stereotype). Totally involved into his music. He was on a trip and he took us with him. I left the concert as a convert to YLT. When comparing those two bands to drugs I would say MBV is about taking LSD, a lonely but very strong experience. But YLT is about sharing a joint. It is a social thing and it is a soft and quite feeble high which lasts.
So maybe we have different preferences concerning those substances.
For another thing, this 'really getting into it, man = emotion; concentrating on playing = technical, unemotional' vision -- I absolutely refuse this limiting, ridiculous stereotype. Some of the most calculated bullshit I've ever encountered at shows has been from the most active people on-stage, some of the freest, most evocative and emotional playing from the most calm and controlled performers. Roy Montgomery in particular, with two extended improvisatory pieces at Terrastock 2, showed that much, all while sitting down, but he had that crowd -- and a large one it was -- on as much of a trip as Ira did for yours. *And* Mr. Montgomery was engaging in a bit of audience banter too if that makes you happy.
I am not trying to set up an opposing set of rules to yours, Alex, but I am trying to demonstrate that your own vision is not automatically the mirror image of mine. Is this so hard to understand?
(But I still maintain, however, that your English is not crap. Es ist ganz besser als mein Deutsch...)
― Phil, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
On the subject of YLT live- I remember Alec Empire interview in NME where he talked about seeing YLT live and how they were scared to go on because the stage was covered in water and so they might get fried! Onstage!
And alec then called them a bunch of assholes- he would love to be there himself, he'd relish that kind of situation- and he proceeded to tell the the kids to stop buying all of this indie garbage.
― Julio Desouza, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
http://www.yolatengo.com/schedule.html
'Fun' reading above.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 December 2005 22:34 (7 years ago) Permalink
I suppose I'm only really familiar with "And the nothing...", "I Can Hear the Heart...", "Summer Sun", and "Painful", since those are the only ones I own. Oh, and their first album, which I've listened to 1/2 a time.
But I only recognized about 5 of the songs they played, total. I assume the rest were covers, obscure b-sides...who knows. When things couldn't get any worse, they ended with their "Nuclear War" cover, which lasted about 15 minutes and wasn't very impressive. Then, when they finished, a fall-over-drunk woman yelled out, "HAY!!1 Play it...aGEE-YEN!"
And they did. They played another 15 minute long version of Nuclear War, which was just as disappointing as the first. Then, they were done.
Plus, it looked like Ira and Georgia were in the middle of a messy divorce the whole show.
― Zach S, Friday, 2 December 2005 02:06 (7 years ago) Permalink
― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Friday, 2 December 2005 02:33 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Tyler Wilcox (tylerw), Friday, 2 December 2005 03:08 (7 years ago) Permalink
― cdwill, Friday, 2 December 2005 03:22 (7 years ago) Permalink
― js (honestengine), Friday, 2 December 2005 05:22 (7 years ago) Permalink
I've loved them both times I've seen them, and like all the LPs, though And Nothing... doesn't get much play.
― nickn (nickn), Friday, 2 December 2005 08:24 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Tylerw (tylerw), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:01 (7 years ago) Permalink
But other than that, they've never been bad. And I told Ira Kaplan he was a Rock God at Maxwells one time, and he was doubled over laughing with (or at) me. I was pretty drunk at the time.
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:10 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:14 (7 years ago) Permalink
http://www.yolatengo.com/ylt/hanukkah2005diary.html
I was at the Sun Ra Arkestra show Wednesday, which was fine (esp the jammy version of "Little Honda") except I found the comedians only mildly amusing.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 January 2006 17:01 (7 years ago) Permalink
― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 2 January 2006 17:52 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Curmudgeon Steve (Steve K), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 01:57 (7 years ago) Permalink
He's never been a total dick, just sort of watching the clock with extreme prejudice. Probably doesn't help that there's not much generally worth asking them about beyond the music they like to listen to in their spare time. My experiences with them have been fine, honestly, but the farthest thing from engaging.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 December 2012 23:33 (5 months ago) Permalink
> Anyone else ever interview them? Because in my experience said grumpiness extends beyond the stage.
Interviewed Ira in college around May I Sing with Me. He totally put me in my place. To his credit, he was right -- I was just asking regurgitated questions from other interviews.
A couple years earlier, they did sign my copy of Ride the Tiger ~`1990 and were super super cool about it, though. I need to track down Dave Schramm and have him sign that, too.
― john. a resident of chicago., Tuesday, 11 December 2012 04:09 (5 months ago) Permalink
yeah, they *are a hard sell, features-wise. every time they release a new album, i want to write about them, but how to pitch it? "Sterling, dependable indie-rock perennials release another good album" is hardly going to make commissioning editors quiver with anticipation.
― That symptom is fucking my wife (stevie), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 08:13 (5 months ago) Permalink
The first time I ever heard their music was when they were opening for Teenage Fanclub on a US tour in 1993. That being the Painful era, the unexpected trifecta of From a Motel 6, Big Day Coming & I Heard You Looking just seemed like the best shit ever. That was a fantastic double-bill, actually.
― rocky dennis horror show (Pillbox), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 09:24 (5 months ago) Permalink
looks like an amazing night last night [from here: http://www.jessejarnow.com/2012/12/yo-la-tengo-hanukkah-2012-night-3-setlist/] The Feelies:Deep FascinationFor NowInvitationFor AwhileOn the RoofLet’s GoHigher GroundThe Final WordSlipping (Into Something)AwayWay DownWhen You KnowDoin’ It AgainTime Is RightRaised EyebrowsCrazy Rhythms
Yo La Tengo:Paul Is DeadTime Fades Away (Neil Young) (with Glenn Mercer of the Feelies on guitar)Barnaby, Hardly Working (with GM)Tears Are In Your EyesSomething To DoThe Point of ItTom Courtenay (Georgia version)Tired Hippo (with Dave Weckerman and Stan Demeski of the Feelies on percussion)The Room Got Heavy (with DW & SD)False Alarm (with DW & SD)The Story of Jazz (with DW & SD)Double Dare (with DW & SD)Little Honda (The Hondells)
*(encore)*You Ain’t Goin’ Nowhere (Bob Dylan) (with The Feelies’ Bill Million on guitar & Brenda Sauter on vocals)Sister Ray (Velvet Underground) (with GM & BM)
― tylerw, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 18:35 (5 months ago) Permalink
and nyc taper is posting recordings -- http://www.nyctaper.com/ first two nights are up now.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 18:36 (5 months ago) Permalink
The first time I saw them I had a heavy cold, sweats, shivering - and I probably wouldn't have gone if it wasn't just a five minute walk away from where I lived at the time. It was a beautiful experience and my physical condition made it more so - it was a loving cuddle that I really damn needed.
― kraudive, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 18:57 (5 months ago) Permalink
I have a snapshot of me and Ira tucked in the sleeve of my copy of "Painful," taken when they did an acoustic show at my school. Ira wrote on a the back: "A secret message: TUO PORD."
One of the best shows I ever saw was Eleventh Dream Day at Lounge Axe in ... '94? With Ira as second guitarist. Pure guitar bliss.
Misread the setlist right above as featuring Neil Young, rather than covering Neil Young. But you never know! They got Ray Davies, after all. And the blurry picture on the "Painful" jacket is the plate of leftover fries Neil Young didn't finish when Ira interviewed him for Spin way back when.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 19:09 (5 months ago) Permalink
haha, is that right? i don't think i knew that. neil would probably enjoy jamming with ylt. i wonder when the last time was that he played a place the size of maxwell's.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 19:12 (5 months ago) Permalink
anyone read Jarnow's book?
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 19:15 (5 months ago) Permalink
The centre of the New Jersey trio Yo La Tengo's 1993 album, Painful, features a blurred polaroid of a plate of French fries. Neil Young's French fries. Yo La Tengo's guitarist Ira Kaplan, a moon-faced thirtysomething once described as "the Jewish Jimi Hendrix", had lunched with the grandfather of grunge in a New York restaurant and asked the waitress to wrap his leftover sandwich. Young's uneaten fries were accidentally wrapped with it, and were soon back in the apartment Kaplan shares with his wife Georgia Hubley, Yo La Tengo's drummer, co-vocalist and the daughter of John Hubley, the creator of the cartoon character Mr Magoo. At first they attempted to preserve the historic fries, dating as they did from the week of Young's acclaimed MTV unplugged performance. "Initially, we refrigerated them but, hey, cooked potatoes have a half-life," Kaplan explains. "We thought about varnishing, but eventually we decided on photodocumentation." Lucky. The inherent weirdness of the daughter of the creator of Mr Magoo varnishing Neil Young's French fries for future generations doesn't bear contemplation.
Found this somewhere just now, though I don't remember how I knew about the fries. What's weird about this is how much it misses to mention the importance of Georgia's mom, or her dad's awesome feud with Walt Disney.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 19:17 (5 months ago) Permalink
xp yeah, i did. i liked it a lot -- it loses a little bit once the band falls into the standard album-tour-album-tour rhythm at the end, but the early stuff is really well done. the peripheral info about maxwell's / wfmu / etc is interesting as well.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 19:18 (5 months ago) Permalink
i don't think i've read kaplan's interview with neil -- is it online?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 19:21 (5 months ago) Permalink
Kaplan, Ira. "Interview." Spin. Vol. 8, No. 12. March 1993.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 19:24 (5 months ago) Permalink
Awesome, I found it in here!
http://books.google.com/books?id=6ADSCfip83cC&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=ira+kaplan+spin+neil+young&source=bl&ots=WRr2nwQTOR&sig=wN6MIS6xbscu7nRtK89f5mUAZTY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XYjHUI3bKuiligKYkoDIBQ&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=ira%20kaplan%20spin%20neil%20young&f=false
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 19:27 (5 months ago) Permalink
Page 57.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 19:31 (5 months ago) Permalink
nice! thx
― tylerw, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 19:48 (5 months ago) Permalink
Real Estate tonight. By far my very favorite newer band. Would have liked to be there and see those guys all jam together. The lead singer told me Yo La Tengo is his biggest influence so this must be really special for them.
― Evan, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 03:12 (5 months ago) Permalink
sweet f'n jesus:
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 19:29 (5 months ago) Permalink
sick! love that bill million is so ocd that even on sister ray he keeps his rhythm part totally together.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 19:37 (5 months ago) Permalink
totally. An anchor amongst the chaos.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 19:43 (5 months ago) Permalink
I, uh, ... that didn't seem that chaotic. I guess I'm just burned out on the band.
― WilliamC, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 19:58 (5 months ago) Permalink
A poor choice of wording on my part. It's more unpracticed than chaotic. But Bill is dead certain to make every change at the appropriate time while the rest do their best to just keep chugging at whatever speed they can. He keeps it from being too sloppy.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:06 (5 months ago) Permalink
False Alarm (with DW & SD)
want to hear this so bad
jarnow book only recommended if not having read the only yo la tengo book out there is gonna nag at you. some annoying errors, not a lot of insight, but you definitely get a sense of context for the early years
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:13 (5 months ago) Permalink
yeahhh, was hoping an nyc taper recording would be forthcoming of the feelie la tengo jamz. those dudes are slacking!
― tylerw, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:21 (5 months ago) Permalink
The book is best for examining the early NJ/NYC indie rock scene; YLT is really the frame around most of that discussion.
― Maria Tesla Pizzeria, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:27 (5 months ago) Permalink
yeah i almost wish it was more of an our band could be your life book with chapters on the bongos, and the dbs and shit. ylt were such passive participants, and there was so little insight into the personalities or their music (it's referenced how little ira knew about guitar at first, but we never get a real sense of when/how became mr wall of pedals) that would have been better to just be like "and then they lived matadorly ever after"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 December 2012 20:32 (5 months ago) Permalink
contrary to earlier rumors, it was El-P and John Oliver tonight.
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 December 2012 06:58 (5 months ago) Permalink
didnt recognize many of the covers (of which there weren't a lot) aside from "I Can Hear Music"
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 December 2012 16:33 (5 months ago) Permalink
https://soundcloud.com/nyctaper/19-sister-ray-vu
― tylerw, Thursday, 13 December 2012 18:35 (5 months ago) Permalink
last time i saw yo la tengo it was "no smoking by request of the artist," fuck them. had bought tickets in advance too.
― adam, Thursday, 13 December 2012 18:53 (5 months ago) Permalink
Hmmm, I used to smoke, but this bothers me not at all any more. Can't you go outside and smoke, or take a break from smoking for an hour? Not that I don't smoke, I can totally understand why non-smokers cannot stand to play in a room full of smoke. Seems more like something the venue needs to be up front about, not the musicians.
― grandavis, Thursday, 13 December 2012 18:56 (5 months ago) Permalink
Uh, that was supposed to say "Now that I don't smoke"
it's been so long since i've lived in a state where you can smoke in a club.
― tylerw, Thursday, 13 December 2012 19:04 (5 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, me too. But also, at this point, if I like the musician, I am fully on board with making touring/playing shows as cool for them as possible, especially if they are not millionaires and are still out there fighting the good fight. The cards are mostly stacked against them.
― grandavis, Thursday, 13 December 2012 19:08 (5 months ago) Permalink
I don't want to breathe someone's cigarette smoke and I don't want my clothes to smell of smoke either. I was so glad when my area jurisdictions banned smoking in nightclubs.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 December 2012 19:36 (5 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, I can't believe I used to smell like that all the time. And that I smoked inside, all the time (though not my own apartment/house). In restaurants, and venues, and bars. Seems really stupid in retrospect.
― grandavis, Thursday, 13 December 2012 19:39 (5 months ago) Permalink
that's cool, if i cared about that kind of shit i would move somewhere like that. however the expectation here is that if one is paying out the ass to see a bunch of old dudes play sister ray for 90 minutes one gets to drink and smoke and talk to one's friends while one does it, not stand outside like an asshole.
― adam, Thursday, 13 December 2012 20:00 (5 months ago) Permalink
Hah, sounds like exactly the wrong way to see Yo La Tengo do their thing to me. I mean, they play a ton of quiet songs, but more power to you. Everyone has their own idea of what makes a good show. I don't really have sympathy for the "I paid money damn it, so I get to do what the fuck I want" argument though. Again, I think your complaint is with the venue. Make them post when shows are non-smoking.
― grandavis, Thursday, 13 December 2012 20:13 (5 months ago) Permalink
http://www.jambands.com/news/2012/12/13/yo-la-tengo-s-hanukkah-shows-continue-with-special-guests-surprise-covers
― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 December 2012 21:01 (5 months ago) Permalink
Norman Blake tonight. Sorry speculative folks hoping for Keith Richards (not in this thread)!
― Evan, Sunday, 16 December 2012 01:16 (5 months ago) Permalink