The RIAA Armageddon has begun

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Looks like they don't really care how many files you're sharing.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 21 July 2003 03:46 (11 years ago) Permalink

*shoves giant, 50-foot wooden telephone poles up the bums of each and every single one of the ripoff artistes over at the RIAA*

Just Deanna (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 21 July 2003 04:21 (11 years ago) Permalink

"Let that be a lesson to you all."

nickn (nickn), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:03 (11 years ago) Permalink

haha, like this isn't going to drive every person to a local FTP community or anything.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:17 (11 years ago) Permalink

i have just found stuff that makes the likes of KaZaa utterly redundant (both in terms of volatility AND reliability) so...

stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 July 2003 09:16 (11 years ago) Permalink

4 years pass...

RIAA wins, music industry is saved!

http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/51559.htm

StanM, Friday, 5 October 2007 06:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

Mickey got off easy, in retrospect.

nickn, Friday, 5 October 2007 06:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

He did make that movie, though.

StanM, Friday, 5 October 2007 06:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Okay, whatever you may think of RIAA tactics before, this is crazy.

Now, in an unusual case in which an Arizona recipient of an RIAA letter has fought back in court rather than write a check to avoid hefty legal fees, the industry is taking its argument against music sharing one step further: In legal documents in its federal case against Jeffrey Howell, a Scottsdale, Ariz., man who kept a collection of about 2,000 music recordings on his personal computer, the industry maintains that it is illegal for someone who has legally purchased a CD to transfer that music into his computer.

The industry's lawyer in the case, Ira Schwartz, argues in a brief filed earlier this month that the MP3 files Howell made on his computer from legally bought CDs are "unauthorized copies" of copyrighted recordings.

* * * *

Whether customers may copy their CDs onto their computers -- an act at the very heart of the digital revolution -- has a murky legal foundation, the RIAA argues.

* * * *

At the Thomas trial in Minnesota, Sony BMG's chief of litigation, Jennifer Pariser, testified that "when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Copying a song you bought is "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy,' " she said.

Forget the legal arguments, which I suppose we can examine later. The RIAA's position -- not just in the abstract, but in an actually litigated pending case -- is that you violate copyright law when you burn a disc you personally bought, at full retail value, onto your own iPod. As a pure matter of business tactics, this seems crazy to me.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 31 December 2007 20:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

Ummmmm....fair use?

The Reverend, Monday, 31 December 2007 20:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

they've already backtracked on this.

s1ocki, Monday, 31 December 2007 20:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

They have? The WP article ran yesterday.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 31 December 2007 20:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

The Post got it wrong.

http://williampatry.blogspot.com/

Martin Van Burne, Monday, 31 December 2007 21:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

I haven't read the RIAA Br., but from that blog post, it appears you're right. What an egregious -- and easily avoidable -- error for the Post to make.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 31 December 2007 21:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

2008: RIAA storms homes of people who copied Ripper '77 from vinyl to tape

Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 1 January 2008 14:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

What an egregious -- and easily avoidable -- error for the Post to make.

LOL what DOES the washington post NOT fuck up?!?

Eisbaer, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 01:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

It'll be interesting to see if the disappearance of the music industry (if that event occurs) will be the advance wave of a fate to soon befall all media.

moley, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 11:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

It'll be interesting to see if how the disappearance of the music industry (if that event occurs) will be the advance wave of a fate to soon befall all media.

J0hn D., Wednesday, 2 January 2008 15:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

The weirdest thing - when I posted that sentence, I thought, 'That sentence is so terrible, I wonder if J0hn will correct it'. I recall the last time he corrected one of my sentences, back in about 2003. At the time, I thought he was an English teacher. Anyway, J0hn, thanks for trying, but it's still a terrible sentence so let me try to again.

Music industry pundits have gamely tried to imagine models which could, in some way, monetise the digital distribution of music. Nothing seems to have worked so far. For example, until recently, some commentators were suggesting we look to the porn industry as an example of how to do business on the net. However, now that even the porn industry is having its own problems due to the propagation of free content on various high traffic amateur porn sites, that argument is harder to make. Also down the tubes, apparently is the notion that most bands can monetise touring on the back of internet promotion. Touring income for all but the very big acts appears to be down in 2007, with no signs of bouncing back. My impression (I read hundreds of tour budgets a year as part of my day job) is that most bands lose money on touring, or earn less than they would had they worked a low-paid job for the duration of the tour.

Stetching further back, before Myspace, discussions revolved around direct artist sales from their own websites, and how to construct a site to maximise custom. Also, there was the 'music like water' idea, also before Myspace, where people would subscribe to a service providing unlimited downloads at, say, $20 per month. That idea is fraught with obstacles, relying as it does on cooperation and agreement on the part of the RIAA and other orgnaisations and record companies. Attempts to monetise Myspace through Snocap have also gone down the tubes. Looking at the Prince and Radiohead stunts, even if we grant that either were successful as a commercial venture, it is not apparent that less well known artists could follow the same path. And so on.

To take these lessons and get really pessimistic, we could say that it is impossible to monetise digital distribution of content. If this is the case, it is a potential threat to all content providers whose product can be digitised. That would include music, porn, the press and all publishing, film, video and photography, and TV. The consequences of all those businesses disappearing, along with the music industry, would be interesting. Here it all gets very speculative. It would seem that search engines and social netowrking sites become very powerful insofar as they harvest a great deal of information,w hich they could then sell. That may be where the real internet money lies in the future. Where does that leave the artist? Who knows at this stage.

moley, Thursday, 3 January 2008 00:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

Feel free to correct any grammar or spelling mistakes you may find in that post. I believe there's at least one.

moley, Thursday, 3 January 2008 00:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

There was an interesting thread recently -- on ILM, I think -- about creative options for the music industry in the digital age (the thread was eMusic -- C/D, perhaps; I'm out now, so it's harder to search for it). Anyway, there were some innovative ideas, e.g., a Stock Market Model, a Patronage Model. I have no idea, obv., if these would work, but they're certainly worth further consideration, and they're better, PR-wise, than the RIAA suing its potential customer base.

I know that discussion is one step prior to where you begin your analysis, Moley, but it's in the same vein and was v. interesting.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 3 January 2008 01:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

Thanks Daniel - I think this is it:

EMusic - C/D

moley, Thursday, 3 January 2008 01:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

As for the majors, I doubt that they view patronage (or anything else involving good faith) as even a plan z but their relentless moustache-twirling is not only burning that bridge but irradiating and vacuuming the remains of the bridge; they're wearing out their stick before they've even planted the carrots. I wonder if a quasi-patronage model could work on a smaller scale, or if it is is already working on a smaller scale with say, 'indie' labels which have always had self-selecting fans and built-in good faith rhetoric working for it to some extent.

tremendoid, Thursday, 3 January 2008 02:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

they will become content feeders for corporate advertising. the madonna sponsorship thing is just the first, it'll be like stock car drivers soon. or else ditch the role of the artist entirely and go to music created by genetic generative algorithms. there is no way to monetize digital distribution of content without DRM in hardware (and even then)

the galena free practitioner, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Alba, Sunday, 27 January 2008 15:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

A-

The Reverend, Sunday, 27 January 2008 15:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

For anyone who's really interested in these cases, Recording Industry vs. The People covers them pretty comprehensively.

felicity, Sunday, 27 January 2008 16:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

ARRR

Alba, Thursday, 31 January 2008 15:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

it's particularly ironic that they'd mention 'let it be' in there; if they're talking about the film, that's one of the only places to fucking get it! it's hardly eating into the beatles' sales since they won't put it on dvd legally.

akm, Thursday, 31 January 2008 15:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

I'll have my CD with. Whatever you've got - drugs, a couple of guns... say, can you hook me up into your criminal network? What's that? I'm now a high ranking executive in the music industry? That's great! Let's party with what's left of our coke budget! Actually, you know what, just keep the CD, it's worthless anyway.

moley, Thursday, 21 February 2008 11:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

large-scale piracy of DVDs is just another black market commodity. it's not surprising that you'd get drugs and other stuff going through the same channels, and it's not surprising that hezbollah or whoever would be involved in those channels, that's how they make their money

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 21 February 2008 12:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

now i'm imagining hezbollah recording an album full of international smash hits, netting them millions -- it would be like that movie about the internet murderer where every website hit injects more poison into his victim or whatever -- "please, america!! stop listening to this infectious music! every CD you buy endangers the lives of us all!" -- until the govt. realize they can stop this insane money mill by encouraging rampant piracy

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 21 February 2008 12:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

You're saying Nickelback should be deported, right? OTM.

StanM, Thursday, 21 February 2008 12:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

Any chance of the Israelis following a policy of targetted assassination of members of Nickelback?

Tom D., Thursday, 21 February 2008 12:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

the ironing

http://torrentfreak.com/riaa-keeps-settlement-money-080228/

StanM, Friday, 29 February 2008 07:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

ironing_4_u.jpeg

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 29 February 2008 07:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Potential turnabout.

Rock Hardy, Sunday, 16 March 2008 16:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

Their probable future strategy:

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/03/15/2243235.shtml

StanM, Sunday, 16 March 2008 16:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

Glad people are paying attention to this.

felicity, Monday, 17 March 2008 19:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

WOW

Holy Shit!

From Gizmodo:

The RIAA and MPAA have submitted a plan to the Office of Intellectual Property Enforcement. It's basically a plan that they want the government to enact, and it's terrifying.

Here are some of the lovely things that they're calling for:

* spyware on your computer that detects and deletes infringing materials;
* mandatory censorware on all Internet connections to interdict transfers of infringing material;
* border searches of personal media players, laptops and thumb-drives;
* international bullying to force other countries to implement the same policies;
* and free copyright enforcement provided by Fed cops and agencies (including the Department of Homeland Security!).

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

Is this possible?

Jacob Sanders, Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

probably not

fuckin' lame, bros (latebloomer), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

File sharers=Terrorist

Jacob Sanders, Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, its not going to ever happen, but imagine the balls to even ask.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

exactly

bug holocaust (sleeve), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

"* spyware on your computer that detects and deletes infringing materials;"

I can't even imagine how this would work. . . .

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

love these fucking guys

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

Imagine the lines at the Canadian border when the enforcers have to go through every iPod song-by-song to check for infringement.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

plus j. quoted him up there referencing youtube so...

wk, Thursday, 11 April 2013 22:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

really? where'd you hear that?

this is in his bio iirc

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 April 2013 22:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

he didn't *do* any overdubbing until 1970 or thereabouts, he probably knew it was possible....

tylerw, Thursday, 11 April 2013 22:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

found the quote ""When I started making records, you sat in a room and sang your songs and what it sounded like on your side of the glass is what it sounded like on the other side of the glass. Somewhere along the line that changed, and I'm not sure why. I honestly didn't know you could do an overdub until like 1975."

sounds like bs or exaggeration possibly

wk, Thursday, 11 April 2013 22:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

well yeah. but he did say it.

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 April 2013 22:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was thinking about that on the way home. Sometimes Dylan seems to want to present himself as an ascetic monk, oblivious to whatever the rest of the world's interested in, and I'm sure in some regards he is. But when I read his memoirs, I was often surprised/amused when he'd make reference to some pop-culture name you wouldn't think in a million years he'd have been aware of (the first one that comes to mind is Gorgeous George, the wrestler, but there were others).

Hearing a Paula Abdul song on a windswept day in New Orleans. I love the Oh Mercy chapter.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 April 2013 23:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Looking at the book "Bob Dylan: The Recording Sessions, 1960-1994" on google books, it says The Boxer is the first track where he doubled his vocals. so '69 or '70.

wk, Thursday, 11 April 2013 23:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp haha, yeah he said it. but you'd have to have some serious blinders on to be a world famous recording artist and not know about that stuff. his vocals are doubletracked on "the boxer," recorded in 1970.

tylerw, Thursday, 11 April 2013 23:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh there you go. of course, that might be the producer just taking two vocal takes, not like it's an amazing overdub job. i like the idea of dylan hearing it with the two vocals and thinking: "who is that other dude singing with me"

tylerw, Thursday, 11 April 2013 23:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

this is interesting...

Dylan and producer Tom Wilson were soon experimenting with their own fusion of rock and folk music. The first unsuccessful test involved overdubbing a "Fats Domino early rock & roll thing" over Dylan's earlier, acoustic recording of "House of the Rising Sun," according to Wilson. This took place in the Columbia 30th Street Studio in December 1964.[1] It was quickly discarded, though Wilson would more famously use the same technique of overdubbing an electric backing track to an existing acoustic recording with Simon & Garfunkel's "The Sound of Silence". I

never knew that but now I want to hear it.

wk, Thursday, 11 April 2013 23:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

sometimes I think I really need to hear Self Portrait. Dylan doing Paul Simon lol

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 April 2013 23:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

I wonder if dylan was actually there though or ever heard it, or if wilson just did it on his own like he did with SoS
xp

wk, Thursday, 11 April 2013 23:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm sure after he dies there'll be some big reveal about dylan avidly posting on yahoo groups about the civil war.

he went on rec.music.dylan o/w a few times in the 90s

Devendra Bumhat (sic), Friday, 12 April 2013 00:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

i am bob dylan

severely depressed robots are "twee" (Pat Finn), Friday, 12 April 2013 01:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

How big is your penis

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Friday, 12 April 2013 02:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

Have you been to Manhattan, and if so, what was it like

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Friday, 12 April 2013 02:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

i mean, i usually don't like to talk about "being bob dylan"; it feels tacky, like i'm bragging.

Pat Finn, Friday, 12 April 2013 13:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's ain't braggin' if it's true.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 12 April 2013 15:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think I know what's going on here. 1) Pat Finn started out on burgundy. 2) He soon hit the harder stuff. 3) Weird, off-the-wall posting on a message board.

clemenza, Friday, 12 April 2013 15:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i thought i would be able to follow up the "i am bob dylan" comment with some funny posts. but i've got nothing.

Pat Finn, Friday, 12 April 2013 16:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

Just confess that you--Bob Dylan--are addicted to youtube videos of celebrities falling off stages, and you'll be okay.

Vol. 3: The Life & Times of E. "Boom" Carter (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

that Juan Gabriel fall remains one of the funniest things ever

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

i like this video, i think it was posted here at some point, where nickleback walk onstage at a music festival and the lead singer tries to pump up the crowd saying "are you ready to rock?" or something, and it is just dead silent, no response from the audience. after a few minutes the band storms offstage, giving the middle finger to the crowd. i, bob dylan, watch that video every morning in order to laugh and "jolt" myself out of my morning depression.

Pat Finn, Friday, 12 April 2013 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

same here.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 9 May 2013 03:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

How worried should I be if I got a copyright infringement notice from my internet provider (A+and+)?
I've never gotten anything like that and I must say I'm feeling kind of distraught.

"Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 01:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

don't be, stop sharing the specific file(s) they called you out for, maybe avoid sharing files you get from wherever you got those files in general. probably best to avoid uploading anything you could potentially get a notice for for awhile.

balls, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 01:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Got a DMCA takedown notice for a song that was 100% wrote by me and I and recorded every instrument on it, which is a first for me!

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 21 November 2013 19:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

weird. was it called "stairway to heaven" or something?

tylerw, Thursday, 21 November 2013 20:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

The file named I Love You But You Don't Love Me Back.mp3 is identified by the key (wnho6vndab12bkk).

Is there a song also called this that I am unaware of? It's a slow droney gospel sort of thing with those being the only lyrics.

I sent a counterclaim to Mediafire but who knows if anything will happen. I should probably just stop using it altogether and go w Soundcloud/Bandcamp.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 21 November 2013 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

"old man down the road"

lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 21 November 2013 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

curious...

https://www.google.com/search?q=wnho6vndab12bkk

koogs, Thursday, 21 November 2013 20:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh great, apparently my files are listed in file crawler websites. I swear to god neither I.love.you.phillip.morris.ts.md.german nor [4shared,mp3] 09 Doctor Jones (Antiloop Club Mix).mp3 are on my mediafire account.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 21 November 2013 20:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

wow adam, thats pretty intense ..

must have felt very strange and yet, exciting ?

as it means you are on some filtering list of value.

in the glory days of blogging, i posted many a track that i was borderline with and never had a takedown notice ...

i always wanted one to print and frame ..

one day.

xpost.

mark e, Thursday, 21 November 2013 20:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hotfile to pay Hollywood studios $80m damages in filesharing settlement

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/04/hotfile-hollywood-filesharing-damages-mpaa

sleeve, Thursday, 5 December 2013 01:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

hotfile still exists?

Number None, Thursday, 5 December 2013 18:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh i guess it doesn't now

Number None, Thursday, 5 December 2013 18:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Got a DMCA takedown notice for a song that was 100% wrote by me and I and recorded every instrument on it, which is a first for me!

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, November 21, 2013 11:59 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had this happen too, and the claim came from an act I'd never heard of. And when I contacted mediafire about it they said they fixed it, but they didn't.

Emined - FAP God (The Reverend), Thursday, 16 January 2014 22:09 (11 months ago) Permalink

10 months pass...

BMG and Round Hill Music (whoever they are) are suing Cox Cable for not disconnecting users at the behest of the music industry, Cox says that "infringement" needs be proven before they disconnect someone.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/11/music-publishers-finally-pull-the-trigger-sue-an-isp-over-piracy/

My favorite sentence from the music industry flacks:

In their complaint, the music publishers describe the Cox network as an out-of-control den of piracy. "Today, BitTorrent systems are like the old P2P systems on steroids," BMG lawyers write.

Not to mention the potency of today's marijuana...

Pooja Bhatt's erotic thriller Jism 2 (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 30 November 2014 11:41 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

A new generation of Super Piraters

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Sunday, 30 November 2014 11:50 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

You know, just a couple of days ago I was sitting behind a late 50s/early 60s government worker on the bus and he was watching a pirated copy of Annie on his laptop. For a brief second I thought to myself that maybe I was just being too much of a prude about illegal downloading and hell, if this old guy is doing it then maybe I can do it too and save a couple of bucks on things that are difficult to rent or stream online. Then I realized that no wait, if this old guy is doing it then this is where the whole thing crashes to a halt.

how's life, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 10:16 (1 week ago) Permalink

how could you tell it was pirated?

koogs, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 12:48 (1 week ago) Permalink

Because it comes out 3 weeks from now?

how's life, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 12:51 (1 week ago) Permalink

not the old version then?

koogs, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 12:53 (1 week ago) Permalink

how could you tell he was a government worker?

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Wednesday, 10 December 2014 12:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

I would have thought Why is a 60 yr old man watching that garbage? Especially when he could have downloaded Mr. Turner which also leaked in the wake of the Sony hacking.

xelab, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 12:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

xp: sorry, that was completely irrelevant info. But he had some kind of government id on a lanyard. Most people I ride in with are federal employees.

how's life, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 13:07 (1 week ago) Permalink

obviously an NSA worker embedding neural tracking programs into the film's pixels

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Wednesday, 10 December 2014 13:11 (1 week ago) Permalink


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