Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

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A couple years back a friend of mine gave me the deluxe banana album reissue with the stereo and mono mix. Last weekend I hooked up my hi-fi and decided to listen to it again. I've managed to misplace the mono disc and so put in the stereo version.

On Femme Fatale the Lou back-up vocals ("she's a femme fatale") are barely audible, it might as well not be there, and on Sunday Morning there's a guitar part that's missing (during the swirly instrumental break I swear there used to be a chugging "lead" or whatever you call it over top the backwards sounding bit). Anyway, the question is: Is this supposed to be like this or have I botched the hook up of my stereo and have only one channel playing through both speakers?

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

test your stereo with white light/white heat. If either the music or the story are missing from "The Gift" then your stereo is mono.

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

argh, I don't have white light/white heat

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

Go out and buy white light/white heat. test your stereo with it. If either the music or the story are missing from "The Gift" then your stereo is mono.

Sonny, Ah!!1 (Sonny A.), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

before quibbling about stereo/mono differences, you might want to check that one out.
it's good.

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

You probably don't have "The Murder Mystery" either, but if you did, you could check whether you had different storylines coming out off either speaker.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

Wait, you can use the first few seconds of "Sunday Morning" - the glockenspiel or what-have-you is on the right channel and then the bass comes in on the left.

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Or just check the wiring...

W i l l (common_person), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

One of your speakers is out of phase i.e. you have the wires in the wrong way round.

MGrout, Monday, 28 February 2005 16:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

could be! I just threw the wires back there without any regard at all.

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

are you sure you're a trainspotter?

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

Behind my receiver is a dark and lonely place- I'll have to do this by candelight because I have no flashlight. All of you will be in my prayers!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 16:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

not even a spelunker!

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

Agunaunt, I am defined by what I am not. My secret is out!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

arg!

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

REVIVE!

UPDATE: My speaker wire was connected to the right main and right remote outputs. I fixed the problem.

I'd like to thank everyone who was with me from the beginning, without your help this project may have never been completed. I'm confident that with the teamwork displayed in the last couple of days our dream of sending an ex-member of the Velvet Underground to the moon will soon become a reality.

golden ears kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

EVEREST IS OUR FOOT STOOL

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

I thought that was Everett?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

I go to school with J0hn C4le's daughter, 3d3n; she is kind've a twat.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

ian wins "post of the day" so far.

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

xpost:
Who's the mom, B3+53y J0hn50n?

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

No, some other silly tart, Rise?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

4 years pass...

This seems as good a place as any to ask this question ... has anybody bought that new VU seven inch singles thing that Sundazed just put out? I don't really want to buy it, BUT: the mix of "I Heard Her Call My Name" is apparently vastly different. Would like to hear this ... mp3 anywhere?

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha I was wondering which thread to revive to discuss the "Nuns Are On The Seawall" blog...

i.e Velvets bootlegs S/D

the 'Ultimate Mono and Acetates Album' has some of those singles but not all. it does have the mono WL/WH which is really different at least on Lady Godiva's Operation, I guess I should listen to it. that may be the version of "Call My Name" you refer to.

also loving:

the Pre-VU Preview, all the demos of early 60's Reed/Cale pop music
Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland 68)
CDs from a certain minimalist composr who shall remain anonymous

sleeve, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've got that Ultimate Mono Acetates thing -- from what I understand, this mix of "Heard" is unheard until now? Less of Lou's guitar, more of the band. Or something ... But anyway -- yeah! Pre-VU is crazy, really incredible. Drop in some references to methamphetamine and "Do The Ostrich" could be on White Light/White Heat, easy. Crazy that, according to the Unterberger VU Day By Day book, there's a solo version of "Heroin" recorded during the Pickwick era. Probably sounds similar to the versions on the 1st disc of "Peel Slowly" but I'd still love to hear it.

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

I've got it on order, will let you know...

Mark G, Saturday, 10 October 2009 13:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

Cool!
Someone over on the Velvet Forum sez: "the mix of I Heard Her Call My Name is insane. At first I thought that there was a mistake in the pressing as Lou's opening vocals ("here comes count down...' ) are way down in the mix and actually sound muffled. Then they pick up a little with 'Ever since...'. Sterling's guitar is up and so it Cale's bass. For the first 30 seconds or so it sounds like a kind of lo-fi garage sound and then later the sound gets bigger with more of the impact we know. But overall the balance is restored so that you can hear Sterling's lovely rhythm guitar work and Cale's bass, which is really great. Cale's bass sound is amazing on this mix and then also makes you realised how low the bass is in the mix on most of the White Light LP."

tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 16:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hmm
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0847833550/ref=pe_5050_13305760_snp_dp
$189
Little bit annoying that they're putting out all of this collector-bait stuff these days and not putting out unreleased stuff. Or barely any unreleased stuff.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

A while ago, I did my own mix of "Heard Her Call My Name" with less Lou and more of the band just for fun, anyone can do it

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

ysi?

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

From that Velvet Forum, here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.

-The demo tape Cale took to England
-Summit High School tape
-Bizarre footage
-Delmonico´s tape
-Boston Tea Party footage(any news on this, by the way?)
-La Cave 68 tape
-Hippodrome 68 tape
-Nelson Video tape 70
-Rhode Island School of Design, Providence, Rhode Island
-May 11, 1965 Pickwick Studios, near Long Island City, New York
-Donald Jackson VU footage
-Danny Williams VU footage
-The Primitives tape
-Ronald Nameth Vu footage
-Matrix Tapes
-Seattle 69 tape

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't know how to do that! (xp)

-The demo tape Cale took to England

I'd be surprised if this still existed! Very! The Matrix Tapes is what we want!!!!!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

xpost

what the hell is that? a 304-page hardback book, yeah, but what about the single with it?

hate it when Amazon has no info about the product.

and hey that Seattle 69 show is on the Nuns Are On The Seawall blog, it's listed as Retinal Circus. first new show (to me) to surface since the Gymnasium.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

!!! Had no idea ... Thanks! Is it good?

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

more from that Velvet Forum:
-the full Gymnasium tape
-the cale/sterling/reed rehearsals from cale loft 1966
-uncut recent Factory 66 tape

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.

i'm still hoping that footage of them on Upbeat! shows up somewhere. Lots of clips from that show are in circulation, but considering they made a handful of appearances i'm surprised nothing's around. About one of the shows: "The Velvets performed live on the Upbeat TV show in June 1968 (not June 1967). Moreover, contrary to Sterling Morrison's recollection, they performed a blistering, buzzsaw version of Run Run Run. Their rendition of Run Run Run went beyond their alloted time: thus, Upbeat cut away to a commercial while the Velvets were engaged in feedback frenzy with Lou's back to the camera."

city worker, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

that would be awesome. There was some comment (I think from Moe Tucker) that she couldn't believe, with all the cameras the Warhol crew had going all the time, no one just filmed a straight ahead version of one of the EPI shows.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

Is it good?

here's wl/wh:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/8j4j7c

it's a soundboard!!! the only one I know of besides those Matrix tapes. as a result the vox are too loud and the guitars a bit subdued, but the overall recording is much clearer. I still think Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland Oct. 68) is my favorite live boot, love the guitar sound on that.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

that's a flac btw

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

Already downloading from The Nuns site ... So weird that this stuff just keeps showing up. One thing I'm super interested in (that hasn't seen the light of day afaik) is a studio version of "Beginning to See the Light" with Cale.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

WHAT????!??!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

those Velvets Forum trainspotters mean business man.

sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

But yeah, the "Beginning" with Cale is mentioned in the Unterberger book - recorded at the "Mr. Rain" session apparently? With "fuzz bass"? There was talk of it appearing on a projected WL/WH "deluxe edition, I think. Which never came out obv.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

LOL, yeah, obv.

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

But ... maybe now that this singles set has come out, there's a chance of more VU material coming out officially? I think I read that Lou wasn't into having any more live stuff come out.

tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hmmm, so I'm listening to this "Retinal Circus" VU show -- and I'm pretty sure some of these takes are the same as appear on Live 1969. Haven't a/b'd them or anything. It's an uncut tape of the show, though, which hasn't circulate as far as I know ... I think that those songs were thought to be from the Matrix, wonder what the deal is! MYSTERY. Sounds great, anyway.

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeh, the wh/wh posted above is the same as the version on the live 69 album

zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

er wl/wh

zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, same w/ "heroin", "what goes on", "new age" so far. it's funny to hear these songs w/ audience applause -- on 1969 they cut off almost immediately, sort of giving the impression that the VU was playing to barely anyone. But here they've got a totally enthusiastic crowd. And why not, considering the godlike awesomeness of this "What Goes On."

tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

I've been following this for a few weeks being very confused - and slightly afraid to ask whats going on. Tarfumes to the rescue! I thought people talking about 1969 meant the Live commercially released album. Duh.

I'm only really finding my feet as a VU trainspotter. I went and bought into the V**can T> hype about the "Legendary Guitar Amps" LP and its lovely but not quite how I imagined. I'm going to get very drunk tomorrow and play it again.

kraudive, Friday, 14 November 2014 00:50 (1 month ago) Permalink

start with the "Sister Ray"

sleeve, Friday, 14 November 2014 01:29 (1 month ago) Permalink

as i never had beef with the 80s mixes, you can call me moe tucker cuz iiiiim sticking with VU

da croupier, Friday, 14 November 2014 01:34 (1 month ago) Permalink

it makes me wonder where the mixes on the 'Etc" and "And So On" bootleg albums came from...

http://www.discogs.com/Velvet-Underground-Etc/master/660580

http://www.discogs.com/Velvet-Underground-And-So-On/master/613376

those comps were (relatively speaking) huge among the US VU fans I knew in the 80's, and they include "One Of These Days", "Foggy Notion", "Ferryboat Bill" and "I'm Sticking With You" - maybe they were taken from acetates? hell if I know, but there were versions that had been mixed down before VU/Another View were released.

sleeve, Friday, 14 November 2014 01:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

btw Edward III (ILX Milk Carton alert) has argued most eloquently for the superiority of the Etc mix of ISWU, somewhere on one of the VU poll threads

sleeve, Friday, 14 November 2014 01:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

thanks tarfumes for the breakdown!

I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 14 November 2014 03:46 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yeah, acetates. Which is why they would be 'rough, working mixes' sort of thing.

e.g. that's the off-key backing vocals version of "Stephanie Says", presumably they had another go at the BV's the next day, and that was all right then.

So, the rest presumably got 'finished' the same way. Which mix is better is in the ear of the beholder, obv.

(Still have not heard a 'not goofy bv's' version of "Temptation inside of your heart", but I assume one exists. It won't be better, but I'd still like it.)

Mark G, Friday, 14 November 2014 09:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

Xpost yeah where is Ed III lately?

a drug by the name of WORLD WITHOUT END (Jon Lewis), Friday, 14 November 2014 14:32 (1 month ago) Permalink

watching Adventure Time with his kid iirc

sleeve, Friday, 14 November 2014 15:33 (1 month ago) Permalink

as i never had beef with the 80s mixes, you can call me moe tucker cuz iiiiim sticking with VU
haw yeah, i never really thought of them as too 80s, though these new mixes are throwing that aspect of them into relief. not gonna get rid of VU or Another View, they're both great.

tylerw, Friday, 14 November 2014 23:29 (1 month ago) Permalink

more odd writing about this set -- does anyone actually refer to this album as "Third"?
http://www.theartsdesk.com/new-music/reissue-cds-weekly-velvet-underground

tylerw, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

I refer to it as Brother Lovers...

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 17 November 2014 23:25 (1 month ago) Permalink

maybe i'm just trainspotty about this album, but man, why does every article about it just have flat-out wrong info?

tylerw, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:27 (1 month ago) Permalink

I've always called it "the third album". But not just "Third".

a drug by the name of WORLD WITHOUT END (Jon Lewis), Monday, 17 November 2014 23:39 (1 month ago) Permalink

yeah! oh well, it's not the end of the world. definitely one of the top 10 tragedies of all time though.

tylerw, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

Third album or self-titled but I've never heard it called Third. It isn't Big Star.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

EZ, it's on you to get absolutely nothing wrong in your review of this set. we're watching you!

tylerw, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:44 (1 month ago) Permalink

I'll give no factual information whatsoever so I can't get it wrong.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

maybe you can just do an interpretive painting or dance...

tylerw, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:58 (1 month ago) Permalink

Mime.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 00:05 (1 month ago) Permalink

"boy, this velvet underground album recorded sometime in the 1960s sure is good!"

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 02:41 (1 month ago) Permalink

"After hearing this record, you'll want to start your own band!"

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 02:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

more odd writing about this set -- does anyone actually refer to this album as "Third"?
http://www.theartsdesk.com/new-music/reissue-cds-weekly-velvet-underground

― tylerw, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:23 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Some time back, University Challenge, music round...

Paxman: "You're going to hear some introduction music to bands' debut albums, I want the title of the album.

(some twinkly keyboard notes, fade..)
Student: "um, Is it the Velvet Underground?"
Paxman: "No, that's their third album, that was "The Velvet Underground and Nico"

(true story)

Mark G, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 12:16 (1 month ago) Permalink

Nice little Doug Yule interview where both he and the interviewer refer to it as "The Grey Album" which I've never heard before, either.

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/the-velvet-underground-reissue-doug-yule-lou-reed-photos-live-footage

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 17:58 (1 month ago) Permalink

What is your relationship with the stuff that’s on there now? I know from previous interviews you have a sort of ambivalent relationship with rock n’ roll.
Ambivalent?

Maybe I read into it wrong. I am only going by old interviews. What’s your relationship to the lost album now? Is it something you wish had been released?
What lost album do you mean?

Well, the one that is referred to as that. I know you refer to it as just demos. Is that the last word now?
That was the intent going on at the time. You’re talking about the stuff that was recorded at MGM?

Yes!

I will never understand why Vice don't edit down their interviews. There's some great material there, but we didn't need to read the above interaction. Bonkers...

you fuck one chud... (stevie), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 18:11 (1 month ago) Permalink

see also "while not losing site of...", ouch

sleeve, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 18:13 (1 month ago) Permalink

heh, yeah, some good stuff in that interview for sure, but also some very unnecessary stuff. good to hear from dougie yule, though!

tylerw, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 18:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

Did you see his response to "I hate music" Tanya?

Mark G, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 19:08 (1 month ago) Permalink

New mix of live "Sweet Jane":

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/velvet-underground-early-version-sweet-jane-20141120

(I think this is the same performance as on 1969 Live, but not 100% certain)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 20 November 2014 20:46 (1 month ago) Permalink

where is the ibiza remix?

I dunno. (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2014 20:53 (1 month ago) Permalink

xp same performance, but the mix is definitely much improved...

tylerw, Thursday, 20 November 2014 20:54 (1 month ago) Permalink

well, different, anyway -- i love Live 69 so much it's hard to say anything "improves" it...

tylerw, Thursday, 20 November 2014 20:55 (1 month ago) Permalink

surely some balearic drums and a guest rap verse would improve it?

I dunno. (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2014 20:56 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yeah, I mean, I never thought of the sound on 1969 Live as something that particularly needed to be improved (except for the dubbed-from-vinyl tracks on the CD), but...I dunno, this sounds great and everything, but the original mix seems more intimate.

(I also love how that album is sequenced: he says "good night" after side 1!)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 20 November 2014 21:06 (1 month ago) Permalink

Listening to the new live stuff now. I'd heard the Matrix samples so had a sense of how clean they were, but hearing the full songs is just kind of unreal. They sound so good, it's hard to believe they aren't some recent production. I don't think I ever thought I'd listen to Heroin again with anything like fresh ears, but the version here is amazing...probably better than the album version. Expectations greatly exceeded. I'm sorry, but this just destroys 1969 Live.

dlp9001, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 20:44 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

so excited for this, I will be buying it next week

sleeve, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 15:44 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

listened to the "highlights" disc of the matrix recordings last night -- oh man, so great. basically my favorite music ever.

tylerw, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 15:48 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

and hey, here's EZ's review -- he didn't get anything wrong!
http://www.popmatters.com/review/188481-the-velvet-underground-the-velvet-underground-45th-anniversary-super/

tylerw, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 15:57 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Wellp, mine's just arrived.

Mark G, Thursday, 27 November 2014 17:46 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

.. and you know that little bit of guitar that's on the VU album but not any CD edition of "Foggy Notion" ?

It's Longer! From the slate to the end of the track!

Mark G, Friday, 28 November 2014 15:14 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Anyone seen this footage shot at the Boston Tea Party in 1967 (by Warhol no less )before?

Letsby Avenue (Tom D.), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:31 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah it floated around in trainspotter circles earlier this year. definitely fun to see, but also very frustrating.

tylerw, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:42 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

trainspotting:

You would think Fricke would get the name of Lou's first single right, but no it is NOT "Leave Her to Me"

http://www.discogs.com/Jades-Leave-Her-For-Me-So-Blue/release/1256244

/trainspotting

some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Monday, 15 December 2014 05:24 (1 week ago) Permalink

what the fricke!
i don't even hate david fricke, but it seems like he should just call it quits on writing VU liners at this point. hasn't he said all he can say?
would prefer if they got someone interesting to write about the third record ... luc sante or somebody?

tylerw, Monday, 15 December 2014 15:20 (1 week ago) Permalink

You should have done it!

Root It Oot (Tom D.), Monday, 15 December 2014 15:23 (1 week ago) Permalink

Then again, curse of the sub-ed and all that...

Mark G, Monday, 15 December 2014 15:28 (1 week ago) Permalink

fricke's liner notes for peel slowly and see were revelatory for me as a young'un...

Nixon head is essential. (stevie), Monday, 15 December 2014 15:40 (1 week ago) Permalink

put me in coach! i've been vu trainspotting for 20+ years now...

tylerw, Monday, 15 December 2014 15:42 (1 week ago) Permalink

yeah, i think those PSAS notes are good

tylerw, Monday, 15 December 2014 15:42 (1 week ago) Permalink

fwiw the liner notes are good, it was just that one little thing and it's right at the beginning and it jumped out at me.

the photos and gig flyers are amazing. haven't actually listened to the Matrix CDs yet, just got it yesterday.

some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Monday, 15 December 2014 15:46 (1 week ago) Permalink


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