Lilac Time/Stephen Duffy Classic or Dud?

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Not sure if it's been discussed before, but the recent question about Duffy prompted this. So, what does everyone think of the Lilac Time and Duffy's solo stuff? I say LT is utter classic, they produced 4 wonderful albums in their original incarnation, and the two since they reformed are quite worthwhile as well (which is not the norm when a band takes an 8 year hiatus). Following the strong debut album, Paradise Circus and & Love For All are fantastic records that illustrate perfectly how having a major label budget and high production values is great in the right hands (of course, they were commercial flops, comparatively speaking - banjos & accordians, anyone?). But the band survived (thanks to Alan McGee) and the result was Astronauts, a great largely acoustic record which was recorded all analog with no compression accoding to Duffy's notes. Plus the drums never got properly recorded and are mostly click tracks. Sounds great, get the Japanese CD version (easy to find) with all the bonus tracks. I would say the newest one (Lilac6) has a lot of the magic of the forst four records. Duffy solo has been a slightly more mixed bag, both before and after LT, I have a particular fondness for the first two (The Ups and Downs & Because We Love You) and the Mitch Easter/Velvet Crush collabotation on Duffy. Anyway, he's always been an excellent lyricist, and a distinctive and individual songwriter who has never stopped improving.

g, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well, I had the 45s of "Kiss Me" and "Hold It" in high school... I was a good little new-waver.

Sean, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The Dr. Calculus album is still one of the l.p.'s I play most, along with the rueful 'Music In Colors'. Me Me Me was okay, but I've always wanted Stephen Duffy to collaborate with Momus. Perhaps they could release a sim-card song on American Patchwork.

Stephen Duffy looked side-on better than any other pop star of his generation. I've recently been diagnosed with 'Pop-Star-Eye Syndrome'. My doctor explained that some pop stars - especially in the 1980's - developed a slight binoucular imbalance in their eyes through constantly posing for photographers. The kinds of photographs that were used for posters, that kids put on their walls -- these caused the problem. On the posters, pop stars were pouting, opening their eyes wide, and looking side-on. It was looking side-on in this affected way that caused the damage; a gradual violence. Since the age of eleven or so, I've looked side on in the mirror to copy Stephen Duffy and now my eye-muscles are as delicate as overcooked pasta.

Limiter Garner, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Music in Colours" with Nigel Kennedy's violin I really loved. A nice winter album. So warm, so cosy. Like an unpretentious High Llamas record. Pure pop. 100% English.

alex in mainhattan, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I met Stephen Duffy in the winter of 1986 - one evening in a pub in Camden. He was very sweet. Neil Arthur from Blancmange gave me his gloves after I told him about my bad circulation and, as I prepared to step out into the snow, Stephen intercepted me, blowing into my hands and then kissing my forehead. As he held my head beneath his kiss, I noticed a small wet rosy nick on his chalky neck - presumably sustained whilst shaving. Since then I only feel as warm when I'm listening to 'The Disenchanted', or 'Love Is Driving Me Insane' - the b-side of the 'I Love You' single. Personally, I would hate to see him collaborate with Momus. Stephen's songs have far more depth than a sim card.

Esther Hoover, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It's a little known ironical fact that this man, who came out of the folk scene, recorded one of the best early house records ever. He formed Dr. calculus with some windy Pigbag members, penning the most indecently loony lyrics I've ever heard. A bit of a dude. If he did collaborate with Nick Currie the album would be yet another classic, destined to be ignored. I wonder if he tells an anecdote about cutting his neck shaving that night in 1986 within his forthcoming memoir.

Gotch, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I liked his brother's band - The Dream Acadamy. I saw them on TV a.m. talking about quantum physics and their latest single. I read up on quantum physics and was able to build my own guitar amp a year later.

Roy Blows, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

There's a fine interview with Duffy in the new chickfactor magazine (see www.chickfactor.com to order). He now seems a bit embarrassed about his pure pop phase, but I still love it. 'Julie Christie' = one of my top ten songs of all time.

Edna Welthorpe, Mrs, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

yeah, i've never been able to find a copy of that Dr. Calculus record. Anyone want to burn me a cdr of it?

g, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i don't know about any dream academy connection. Duffy's brother Nick is in fact in the Lilac Time

g, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

My guitar amp used to give me shock sometimes, usually when I was wearing my slippers. I built that amp under the delusion that the chap from the Dream Acadamy was the brother of Stephen Duffy.

Roy Blows, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nick Laird-Clowes is in The Dream Acadamy. I once read in a tabloid that Stephen Duffy was in a relationship with Kate St. John - also in that band, and now writing for t.v. shows like Harry Enfield and Chums. I'm guessing this is how Roy got confused. Nick Duffy is in The Lilac Time and his own band called Bait. I think cassettes of Bait can be procured from The Lilac Time's website.

Normie, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Kate St. John sabotaged the Kane Gang's recent come back album by randomizing sample rates, causing spontaneous mid-track conversions.

Gotch, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I recorded a recent 'desert island disc' type radio interview with Rogan Whitenails in which the poet talked about his love for Stephen Duffy. He told Roney Robinson that he regards Stephen Duffy as one of the greatest songwriters ever ...

RR: 'Tell me about the first song you've chosen.'

RW: 'It's "I Love You" by Stephen tintin Duffy. I remember seeing him sing his first hit - "Kiss Me"- on Top of the Pops when I was 14, and I immediately knew -- that is who I wanted to be and who I wanted to look like.'

RR: 'And, have you achieved that dream?'

RW:'I haven't, no. Stephen Duffy has straight brown hair, whereas mine is fair and prone to being curly. If I'd wanted to look like Robert Powell or Monty Don there would have been no problem …'

RR: 'He's right, folks.'

RW: '… a lot of work is needed with the hair dryer to achieve the desired effect. I used to wear a woolly hat in bed …'

RR: 'Really?'

RW: 'Each night I would succumb to the ritual of combing my dampened hair down, and then rolling the woolly hat snugly over my scalp. I used to sleep with my bedroom door open because I was scared of the dark; and my older sister still loves to taunt me with the story of how her and a friend, returning from the pub, used to have a hard time surpressing their giggles as they looked at me asleep in my woolly hat, trying to be Stephen tintin Duffy in my dreams.'

Limiter Garner, Friday, 28 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Stephen is undoubtably one of the greatest English songwriters of the last 15 years. Simple, poignant and magical. It's just a pity he 'slipped through the cracks' by making unfashionable (though fabulous) music since his Tin Tin days. Although to those lucky enough to discover him, it's everyone else that's missing out...Long may he continue!

My personal faves? All the Lilac Time albums and the wonderful and criminally overlooked Music in Colors

Simon Scott, Friday, 18 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Can anyone confirm the rumour that Duffy and Nick Rhodes are currently working on an album of old Duran Duran material - songs that they wrote and recorded as demos in the late 70's, before Simon Le Bon joined the band?

Alex, Sunday, 20 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

were any of the duffy/duran songs ever demoed or made available on audiogalaxy/napster etc?

david, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Just a quick e-mail account, never to be checked in the future, to say that we have indeed been working together and the devilish results are now being mixed at Air Studios. Alex Langdon, eh? Not Alex Langdon, the child stand up comic who toured with Jimmy Mulville and Ed Tudor-Pole in the mid eighties? You were a bit of a rascal, as I recall (forgive me if it's not you) and not very kind to my mate Carly Simon when you interviewed her via a live link on The Tube.

Nick Rhodes, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hmm...entertaining fake or brilliant cameo appearance?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Never to be checked in the future...how conveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenient.

Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 22 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

If that's really you, Nick Rhodes, I refer you to the answers I gave Robin Carmody in the Ben and Jason: classic or dud thread. Have you ever kissed a man? My sister, during a midnight feast, told me that she's sure you're straight, but a man who wears make up is bound to have experimented.

Alex, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think it's a bit rummy that Stephen's thread has been hijacked by Alex Langdon (who may or may not have been the Alex Langdon who starred in Teenage Health Freak) and Nick Rhodes. Ned Raggett only contributed when he saw that a pop star had joined us (probably only dissapointed that it wasn't Momus)- but some of us want to keep discussing Duffy.

Normie, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Normie - I'm NOT Alex Langdon .. Health Thingy. I'm a fan Of Duffy's, like you.

Alex, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well, talk about him then!

Normie, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It's funny how Stephen Duffy called his first single 'Hold It' and the B-Side to his follow up - 'She Makes Me Quiver' - was called 'Push It'. He must have liked 'it's'!

Alex, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That's a bloody hilarious joke, Alex. Chris Morris would be laughing on the other side of his discoloured face at that one.

Roy Blows, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Frankly, I'm embarrassed - knowing that Nick Rhodes is watching us as we squabble and belittle each other. We should all be united behind Stephen. Nick might think twice about working with Stephen again if he thinks his fans (and that includes you, Roy) can't get on. But, then, Nick should remember that some, if not all, of Duffy's fans are also fond of Duran Duran (fond-fans, if you like).

Normie, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Talking of on-thread celebs: is "gotch" the same Tarquin Gotch who managed XTC, Kate St John and - hem hem - Stephen Duffy (and apparently co-produced 'Home Alone')?

Edna Welth, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I know I'm expected to be moderate on this site, but what the hell are fond-fans? They sound like a complete simpering mess, and I'm not one of those.

Roy Blows, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I thought that too, Edna. Tarquin Gotch has the same second name. At least we're still talking about Duffy-related matters.

Normie, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh yeas, Edna! Are you a fond-fan?

Roy Blows, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You're just showing off, Roy. Noone's impressed. I'm not a mimsy fan. I can be light and ironic, like anyone. I just don't like to spoil people's fun.

Normie, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Fond fan"? From what Normie sez, you must like both Duran Duran AND Stephen to qualify. Hmmmm. I quite like 'Save a Prayer', but otherwise no thank you. What does this make me? a mildly-fond-fan? I will have to live with that.

BACK TO STEPHEN! 'The Ups and Downs' vs 'Because we love you' - FITE! I would choose BWLY, even though U&D has 'Wednesday Jones' and 'Icing on the Cake', these are no match for the peerless majesty of 'Sunday Supplement' and 'Julie Christie'.

Edna Welthorpe, Mrs, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I bet Ned Raggett won't answer that one. Perhaps Momus could repeat the question.

Roy Blows, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm not polarizing with you to look clever. I actually do prefer The Up's and Down's. Breakdance was happening at the time of its release, and it eemed that everyone was 'breaking' to almost anything - Robbie Nevil, Meatloaf, Love and Money, Smiley Culture; but no group of kids could bring themselves to form a ring and clap around Stephen tintin Duffy - it would be like break-dancing to the drawings of William Blake.

Normie, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm more impressed by the fact that about twenty-five different posts have been made by the same person. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've just been for a nap ... Considered my position. I think it's best that I just walk out of here. You and I are very alike: I suppose I just turned out bad, whilst you ... I always loved you, Ned. I'm not about to reveal that I'm your Father. I'm already 25 different people. Alas, no - not your Father; but I am in you somewhere. Be kind to Stephen Duffy when I'm gone.

Roy Blows, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

???

g, Wednesday, 23 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

five months pass...
is anyone else looking forward to The Devils' debut?

June Hobbs, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

just me then..

June Hobbs, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

i am, too...

g, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

there's a marvellous interview with the Devils on Stephen Duffy's website. Stephen describes how he met Madonna at a party in the early eighties. the record label executive who introduced them did so by suggesting that the two artists should work together. and, almost like Liam leaning on Damon in the midst of Britpop, Madge took tintin to one side and put him straight on a few things. a year later, Stephen was in Jamaica with The Dream Academy - sitting by the grave of Noel Coward, listening to Nick Drake. and Madonna was making Shanghai Surprise with Sean Penn. i haven't given up hope that they will one day collaborate - if Nick Rhodes and Stephen came together for the Devils after 24 years of estrangement, then everything's possible, right?

June Hobbs, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Incredibly, the Devils' 'experiment' has worked in places. It could have been Shopping Channel-Diamonique; but these two 40 somethings have pulled off 19-dynamique; their-first-gig-at-the- Polytechnique. 'Hawks Don't Share' is implausibly authentic late 70's post punk - seeming like a pre-cursor to Echo and the Bunnymen's 'Over the Wall'. In contrast, Newhaven-Dieppe is tight and bright, but wistful - more like Duffy's 'Paradise Circus'.

How I want to end it ..., Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

why wasn't John Taylor asked to join them, or was he? is Nick Rhodes still watching this thread?

Lesser Tit, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Duffy and Taylor originally fell out over a snake skin amp. The gangly 19 year old SD said his new amp was 'right powerful', while the limber JT said it was not 'right powerful'.

June Hobbs, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

It turned out to be 'right powerful', after all. But Duffy never forgave Taylor.

June Hobbs, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
In the same pre-stardom spirit of The Devils, and according to Janice Long, The Crucial Three (Pete Wylie, Ian McCulloch and Julian Cope) are rumoured to be writing together!

Julian Hasflow, Thursday, 3 October 2002 13:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

So, can anyone vouch for The Devils record?

TMFTML
http://intonation.blogspot.com/

TMFTML (TMFTML), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 21:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
has anyone heard his new album, keep going? from what i read in two reviews it is a masterpiece. according to the amg he sounds like a nick drake in his forties. why the hell does he get only three stars in the amg when the review is quite enthusiastic?

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 15 December 2003 14:23 (twenty years ago) link

music in colors also only got 3 stars in the amg. so maybe three stars is better than five.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 15 December 2003 14:26 (twenty years ago) link

got it wrong, the new one has 4 stars. but does nobody like stephen duffy at the "new" ilm?

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 15 December 2003 14:54 (twenty years ago) link

i like him

the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 15 December 2003 22:04 (twenty years ago) link

I like him too - he played a lovely, slow, thick set of Lilac Time tunes at the Bush Hall recently (ignoring the calls for "Julie Christie").

His current collaborator may appal a few contributors to this thread, though - if they don't already know. Lord knows XX could do with SD's help, and SD could do with XX's cash.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 11:07 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I read about that too. I think it could be just about OK though. Worse things have happened to songwriters (I can't think of any examples of the top of my head) but XX (why aren't we naming him?) can carry off a pop tune with some aplomb, and Stephen Duffy can certainly write them.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 13:02 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, I don't know - I know SD is kinda upset that the Mirror splashed it about, it is just short of being common knowledge, and I have this misguided notion that I should keep as quiet about it as he is.

I don't think he's so much embarrassed about the collaboration, as embarrassed about the way it's been reported (i.e. why is XX associating with this loser?)

And yes, it might produce some decent records.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 13:17 (twenty years ago) link

Incomprehensible!

the tinfox, Tuesday, 16 December 2003 14:09 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
http://www.elektrobank.net/downloads/lv_kiss-my-root.mp3

Beastie Boys Vs. Stephen A J Duffy

Esther Hoover, Tuesday, 9 March 2004 12:00 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...
the wonderful "Music in Colors", praised by a few of you on this thread, is being reissued on the 27th of september by EMI.
It will contain the "natalie" video (1st single from the album) and a couple of demos. Watch out !

aztec moon, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 05:39 (nineteen years ago) link

That's exciting news; it's one of his few albums that I can't break into. I can only get it as mp3, and a real release would be great.
Any word on his second 90's album, 'Duffy'? It's also impossible to find.

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 05:50 (nineteen years ago) link

For the moment nothing is set as for the "Duffy" album, but I heard it might be possible as well though that's a different label !
you can still find a few copies of it on ebay or second hand recordstores...

aztec moon, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 11:04 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
"Duffy" album is out, availiable from Amazon

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000BOG1MG.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

aztec moon, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Just heard some new tracks on his Myspace. Sounds great!
Here's an interview.
http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1252260266&channel=495713462

Rib Dinner, Monday, 22 October 2007 10:49 (sixteen years ago) link

If anyone's interested, I'm selling my copy of Keep Going.

Madchen, Monday, 22 October 2007 11:44 (sixteen years ago) link

also, Dr Calculus is now available via usual download stores.
remastered and with extra remixes/tracks (though to be honest, the extras are classic 12" of the time, ie very little difference, just an extra drum loop here and there)
though the album itself, is as gloriously mad in 2007, as it was all those years ago.

mark e, Monday, 22 October 2007 12:14 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Revive! been listening to Music In Colours and Astronauts quite a bit of late. Ahh, lovely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ar9LCIkqOI

Daniel Giraffe, Thursday, 13 December 2007 14:40 (sixteen years ago) link

His new one is ok but not great - and I adored _Keep Going_. It's just missing something - a spark, clever lyrics? I can't put my finger on it. But everything else with the name Lilac Time on it is a keeper.

Mr. Odd, Thursday, 13 December 2007 23:18 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Keep Going is a tremendously enjoyable album; well crafted from front to back with an utter lack of shock or awe. It's measured and mature in a way that only a guy who's been kicking it for three decades can fashion. Also, I've always been a sucker for his buttery vocal delivery, it makes my ears feel good.

suspecterrain, Sunday, 20 March 2011 07:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Huh. I wonder if that really was Nick Rhodes posting all the way back when?

bad voise, it sucked, pick a seat (Trayce), Sunday, 20 March 2011 08:08 (thirteen years ago) link

given that the rest of the thread at the time was a bunch of socks arguing with itself, it seems unlikely. but "devilish results" does point towards someone with some kind of inside knowledge.

lol kudso (sic), Sunday, 20 March 2011 11:43 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Any other fans? I'm listening to the Compendium compilation and the tracks from & Love For All, produced by Andy Partridge, just jump out at me with their odd swirly sounds or interesting sounds.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 15 March 2014 02:44 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

I really need more than just the first Lilac Time album.

austinato (Austin), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 00:06 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

yeah, i've never been able to find a copy of that Dr. Calculus record. Anyone want to burn me a cdr of it?

dr calculus = best thing stephen did ..

no doubt stephen hates it now ..

mark e, Thursday, 2 July 2015 20:50 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

"I Love My Friends" is an total winner of an album, a bit like he thought, "I can outdo these Britpop shits at their own game". The CD with all the b-sides is even better with the addition of songs like "One Day One Of These Fucks Will Change Your Life".

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 24 March 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link

Yep, love that album, almost certainly my most-played record of his under any of his names/bands. Didn't realize it'd been reissued with those bonus tracks; I'll have to check that out. "One Day..." isn't one of the added ones though, that's the closer on my original.

early rejecter, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 17:07 (six years ago) link

Oh right. It was reissued in 2006 with 7 bonus tracks. https://www.discogs.com/Duffy-I-Love-My-Friends/release/648547

"Keep Going" was the last great album he released, "Runout Groove" is solid if inconsistent and "No Sad Songs" was a dud.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link

five years pass...

The new(-ish) album is beautifully melancholic. Love the last song.

From where wild strawberries grew. It’s about us and every band. “That was our time in the shade / No one but the driver got paid.” I had a dysfunctional relationship with touring. I saw it more as an extension of my social life. Or just a more out and about version of my life. I never saw it as work and as many will attest I didn’t really see myself as an entertainer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSZ_Dom8yk4

j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Saturday, 16 September 2023 15:19 (seven months ago) link

nice!

I only recently found out about this album, which he did with Nick Rhodes, revisiting songs they wrote for the first iteration of Duran Duran. Definitely not what you'd expect from any of these people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M0YzzmD_BA

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 16 September 2023 15:59 (seven months ago) link

Really fantastic long interview with him here on Sodajerker podcast

https://spotify.link/1nc7BCi78Cb

piscesx, Saturday, 16 September 2023 17:34 (seven months ago) link

xp just heard that for the first time last week and was pleasantly surprised to hear nice a cover of the Jacobites’ Big Store

bulb after bulb, Saturday, 16 September 2023 18:02 (seven months ago) link

Stephen Duffy write big store!

brimstead, Saturday, 16 September 2023 22:24 (seven months ago) link

wrote

brimstead, Saturday, 16 September 2023 22:24 (seven months ago) link


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