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pd, whats at the root of yr dipset dislike, other than lots of corny dudes liking him? Or is that all it takes.

deej.., Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:21 (twenty-two years ago) link

man i loved ma$e in h.s. so confessions of fire was a must, im not tryna get some kinda braggin rights with that cuz that was a huge cd and everybody i knew had it, im just talkin bout these new jacks who think cam is the first thug in history or whatever

3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:23 (twenty-two years ago) link

miccio, you had a problem with a song being goofy?!?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:23 (twenty-two years ago) link

yeah its partly the dickriders, cam is the face of dying new york so i gotta hear about his ass all the time from new york cats and publications, plus none of him and his crew can rap worth a shit, all their beats alternate between depressing garbage and 80s pop/rock garbage, they always try to eat off trends in rap like the west and south by fuckin with classics like dope man and bout it bout it, none of em can rap

3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:25 (twenty-two years ago) link

You gotta remember that song came out back in the late 90s, Jaymc. I was on a different page then. I still find Ma$e pretty annoying, if amusingly panda-esque. A friend burnt me Come Home With Me. Sounded alright but I found it hard to care aside from "Hey Ma." You'd think he'd be my hero with pictures like this but for some reason he's not. Maybe its a hook thing, I dunno. I definitely don't see the charisma.

http://epk.radioandrecords.com/camron/downnout_011205/cover1.gif

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:27 (twenty-two years ago) link

they cant flow, theyre studio gangstas except maybe jones, did that whole bullshit pink/purple thing, just alot of gimmicks and bullshit and east coast desperation and hipster avant garde nonsense pushin up some wack ass rappers who aint actually sold more than any other random koch release

3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:28 (twenty-two years ago) link

anyway its funny that its considered some kinda reactionary blasphemy to hate cam on the internet cuz in the real world you will get clowned faster as a bitch if you ever admit youre fuckin w/ dipset

3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:30 (twenty-two years ago) link

and cam himself used to come with some nice raps and lyrics before he put his whole garbage crew on

3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:31 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hahahaha. Yeah, um, that Jim Jones post, that uh, was a joke. 'What he does offer is fire!' You guys are great. Keep throwing stones.

Sean F (Sean F), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:32 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah see all that shit would bother me but I think they're entertaining. You and Exo were on the same page about this actually.

deej.., Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:32 (twenty-two years ago) link

i saw purple haze on LP for two bucks at a store the other day, bought it, listened to it, sold it for four. I bought myself a sixer of tecate with the cash

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:34 (twenty-two years ago) link

nah theres alotta dudes who i excuse cuz theyre just trippin out, i was just sayin how much i love d12 on that other thread! but dipset is some dead-eyed trash to me, i cant even hear 5 seconds of these clowns rappin before i gotta be like turn it off man turn it off

3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:40 (twenty-two years ago) link

tho i dont judge anybody who fucks w/ them as long as they stay off the crack and dont go all into best-rapper-i-ever-downloaded!! mode

3, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:41 (twenty-two years ago) link

this thread title is really amusing.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:42 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm surprised you don't like it Gear! I think its pretty great. Certainly not my favorite rappers - purple haze didnt make my top ten or anything last year, even though i kinda gushed about it in that review they quoted - but I really really like "Killa Cam" and "Get Em Girls" etc.

deej.., Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:43 (twenty-two years ago) link

Although next time you get a six of tecate i'm down.

deej.., Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:44 (twenty-two years ago) link

three years pass...
Ok. I'll admit that I've never been the most religious blog-readers. Oh, sure, I read a couple, certainly a few political ones and usually those done by journalists in their free time -- a la "Talking Points Memo" and "Altercation". The same goes for music blogs. I've periodically perused Marcello's and Simon Reynolds', in addition to reading/contributing to Stylus's from time to time, but for whatever reason, I've been wary of diving headlong into the blogosphere.

But last night, I decided the time had come -- I was going to do download a
bunch to my Palm Pilot for subway reading during my commute. I thought it
might prove a good place to do a little research and keep abreast of the latest goings-on.

And seriously? What I found was a lot of lists, in-jokes, pictures,
and inpenetrable references -- as well as links to other blogs, of course. Aside from the fact that almost none seemed to have much to say about actual music, almost across the board, they reinforced the worst cliches about music writers: that they're this uber-insular, elitist sect that's more interested in impressing one another than trying to think anew, even if it means saying something stupid.

Did I kind of expect that? Sure, I suppose. But the thing is: that's what ILM, for all intents and purposes, should probably be, but isn't. There's a lot of fresh, honest--dare I say--brave assessments on this board -- by, I might add, many of the same people playing this silly game I just described. You would think the blogosphere could be public diaries -- musings about this passion of ours, the great testing ground for the Big Ideas that end up in print somewhere, or maybe just write-ups of records our respective publications wouldn't let us review for whatever reason.

But from virtually all that I've seen, they aren't that at all. And that's just very, very disappointing. There are some great writers here.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 11 February 2005 03:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I was going to do download a bunch to my Palm Pilot for subway reading during my commute.

you admit that and then have the nerve to criticize? heh, that's some cojones.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 February 2005 03:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't like reading blogs much at all either.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 11 February 2005 03:55 (nineteen years ago) link

What I found was a lot of lists, in-jokes, pictures,
and inpenetrable references

great!

try harder, btw.

f--gg (gcannon), Friday, 11 February 2005 03:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i like them.

jones (actual), Friday, 11 February 2005 03:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I think my blog writing style is, for the most part, identical to my message board writing style. That's almost certainly because I started my blog long before I started writing on message boards (and even before I started reading other blogs).

IMO, once you start consciously blogging for other bloggers, and not for yourself or for a real or imagined audience, the quality suffers badly. When that happens, it leads to online feuds and writers trying to outdo one another first and foremost. Also, people start becoming self-conscious about their niche in the blogosphere. They start thinking "I have to write about stuff that others aren't writing about, I've got to be more unique" instead of just writing about whatever interests them.

I'm not just referring to music blogs here, I'm referring to any internet communities I've come across -- music, sports, politics, you name it.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 11 February 2005 04:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I have to say I'm amazed at the amount of personal information blog people share with strangers.

shookout (shookout), Friday, 11 February 2005 04:13 (nineteen years ago) link

ooh! read mine! joshlanghoff.blogspot.com! it still looks like the unfinished death star, so I was going to hold off plugging it, but you've given me an opportunity for some preliminary plugging. and I don't really know anybody here, so I only reference the big guns.

dr. phil (josh langhoff), Friday, 11 February 2005 04:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm a bit of a blog philistine perhaps, but I only like them for the mp3s. The only non-mp3 blog which I look at is Blissblog. Naturally, I have the upmost respect for the bloggers taste in mp3s, but I can't use the insight, thanks. I like the largeheartedboy format where he just posts a list of links and downloads each day - take it or leave it.

everything, Friday, 11 February 2005 09:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Quelle surprise. You start off with a preconceived idea that blogs will suck and then you pat yourself on the back for discovering it's true. Hmmm.

Personally I don't like the MP3 blogs, aside from the odd blog that features mixes.

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Friday, 11 February 2005 10:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Gutterbreakz is cool though. It's like going to school again, but a cool school. With a nice teacher (that hopefully doesn't test you..."yes class, please write an essay on...mmm...the use of the 303 on early 808 State records as compared to Universal Indicator Blue.")

Omar (Omar), Friday, 11 February 2005 10:12 (nineteen years ago) link

** they reinforced the worst cliches about music writers: that they're this uber-insular, elitist sect that's more interested in impressing one another than trying to think**

And this was a surprise? You've read the Pazz & Jop poll comments section before, right? Anyway, most of the political blogs I've scrolled through seem to fit the same pattern as the music ones.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Friday, 11 February 2005 11:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Very few blogs pull you right in on the first visit; it's like stumbling in on a conversation that is already in progress. It can take time to get to know the blogger, and his/her crowd/references/in-jokes etc. Almost by definition, a large number will look petty and parochial from the outside.

I used to take great pains in always thinking of the first-time reader when writing each post, always trying to explain references etc. Then I decided that I actually liked in-jokes and self-referentialism and being part of a blog-gang, so I eased up on all of that. I fully expect 95% of casual readers to walk away scratching their heads and thinking WTF is he blathering on about. It's a blog, not a magazine. Horses for courses...

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 11 February 2005 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Indeed, it's a community (just like ilx is).

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Friday, 11 February 2005 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Personally I find it healthier to keep a careful distance from that particular community. Acknowledge it but don't allow yourself to be drawn in too closely to it.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 11 February 2005 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Indeed, it's a community (just like ilx is).

i disagree. ILX is designed for two-way communication, for rapid response. blogs are online journals; the text is offered up to be read as an entity in itself, rather than as part of a discussion. that crappy little "comments: 0" at the bottom of thousands of blogspot posts says it all.

there are some excellent, awe-inspiring, life-affirming blogs out there. there are many, many more that are frankly knuckle-bitingly embarrassing; a good proportion of these are obviously written entirely for other members of the - cough - "blogosphere" to read. a good blog exists because it has something worthwhile to say and says it beautifully. a bad blog exists purely to affirm the writer's existence, which is ultimately rather pathetic.

it's like forming a band: for the sake of the rest of us, only do it if you actually have a driving need to do so.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 11 February 2005 13:26 (nineteen years ago) link

of course, you could just not read blogs if they bother you so much rather than instruct people not to write them. i'm not really a fan of the format, but at the same time i don't think they're bringing down my (or anyone else's) quality of life.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 11 February 2005 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link

the whole thing bores me a bit, to be honest - apart from nathalie's blog, obviously, coz she's all fabulous and nice to me and stuff.

stelfox, Friday, 11 February 2005 13:34 (nineteen years ago) link

this post is fucking great.

um, Friday, 11 February 2005 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link

xx-post: but, er, like i said: there are some great ones out there, and i'd like to discover more gems. unfortunately, i have to wade through mountains of crap in order to do so.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 11 February 2005 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't read any other blogs, particularly, and never have. I barely even keep mine going now. I'm not sure why.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 11 February 2005 13:57 (nineteen years ago) link

My blog is great! I'm gonna post something on it TODAY! It will be fun.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 11 February 2005 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

There are some that are very good, there are some that are mediocre or horrible. Blanket generalizations are never a good or smart thing to make.

Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Friday, 11 February 2005 14:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Mine hans't really been about music for ages though.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 11 February 2005 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link

the whole thing bores me a bit, to be honest - apart from nathalie's blog, obviously, coz she's all fabulous and nice to me and stuff.

Didn't you know, I keep it going just to promote yours. ;-)


that crappy little "comments: 0" at the bottom of thousands of blogspot posts says it all.

I have a lot of fans. I especially like the VEeAgra one.

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Friday, 11 February 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

There are a bunch of music blogs which, while ocassionally too insular, offer me lots of provocative and fascinating takes on music:

I found Jess Harvell's year-end take on music on his blog very interesting even if I don't always agree with him. Jessica Hopper writes wonderfully. Dj Rupture/Jace Clayton's take on grime, life in Spain, and various others...There a Canadien guy who lives in Senegal and post about African music who's been mention elsewhere by me and others on ILM who's great. How about Julianne Shepherd, and Phil Sherburne,Christopher Porter and numerous others(I just learned from Sasha Frere-Jones blog about the jazz covers of pavement cd)...

steve-k, Friday, 11 February 2005 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

The only blogs I find I read are by journalists or professional writers. The quality difference between those and the others is generally huge - not in terms of having interesting things to say, but in sheer readability. It's the experience of having to shape your writing to an audience, of editing your work and having your work edited, and all the other stylistic constraints involved in writing for the media. Eventually, professional writers develop their inner editor. This is the main problem with blogs. There's no editing. It's all just a loghorreic stream. Even if there's something interesting going on I can't be bothered to wade through all the crap to get there.

genevieve rt, Friday, 11 February 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

That's funny, cos a lot of the music blogs written by pro journalists usually seem really sloppy, obscure, and super-insular to me (probably because they can't get away with that stuff in print and like having an outlet for that sort of writing.)

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

When I saw them say "Blogosphere" on CNN I was embarassed for the entire country.

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Why? It's a silly word, but it refers to a very real thing. People need to get over this bullshit irrational embarassment about blogs. Enough with the selfloathing nerd shtick, okay?

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Eventually, professional writers develop their inner editor

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ... urgh [chokes with laughter]

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"I have a lot of fans. I especially like the VEeAgra one. "

whats your blog?

um, Friday, 11 February 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

i like the blogosphere term

Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm still waiting for "bloggo" to catch on.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

oh god ive equated tons of shit w fascism, its like a racism callout but posh!

007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 06:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Obv I meant that Robin equated twee electronica with fascism.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if Ronan did too!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 07:00 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
why is it June 27 2001?
-- Gear! (speed.to.roa...), June 26th, 2001

we've got to warn them!!
-- W i l l (lolomgwt...), June 26th, 2001

^^^^ lol

,,, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/Time_Tunnel.jpg

and what, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 14:54 (fifteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

lol this thread

jordy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 30 January 2009 00:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Rappers are like Rod Stewart now; they're like a bunch of Liberaces with their gold rims. The Diplomats are just a little bit off key from what others are doing. They seem to be experimenting the most, and they have a real fight mentality. It's the guerilla side of hip-hop."

Maya Arulpragasam, New York Times

huh

jordy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 30 January 2009 00:27 (fifteen years ago) link

lawl

Mare Street tour guide (Dom Passantino), Friday, 30 January 2009 00:32 (fifteen years ago) link

hahahaha what the shit

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 30 January 2009 00:43 (fifteen years ago) link

What he DOES offer...is fire.
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:01 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol i was thinking about this literally yesterday

some dude, Friday, 30 January 2009 00:50 (fifteen years ago) link

btw i need to call bullshit on gear finding purple haze on lp for $2

jordy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 30 January 2009 00:53 (fifteen years ago) link

wtf happened to the time stamps in this thread...

jordy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 30 January 2009 00:53 (fifteen years ago) link

miccio, you had a problem with a song being goofy?!?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:23 AM (7 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol

crackers is biters (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 30 January 2009 01:02 (fifteen years ago) link


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