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Let me just ask a somewhat loaded question:

If all of the swords in Kill Bill were lightsabers instead - but nothing else were different - how would you feel?

― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 10 October 2003 20:56 (twenty years ago) link

Fuck dad's sword.

I have a sword of my very own. Though I didn't think I would need to bring it to NYC.

― Carey (Carey), Friday, 10 October 2003 21:08 (twenty years ago) link

I think it looks stupid and awful.

You forgot boring and lame.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 10 October 2003 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

Ebert in liking films that pay homage to things he fetishizes shocker

Sure, but this pretty much holds for for anyone, don'tcha think? Ally totally OTM about Dark City, though--it's really weird how much he loves this fairly intersting film. Reminds me of his ultraexuberance for The Phantom.

I haven't seen anyone comment on Uma's acting, my only real worry concerning what should be a superfun, superdisposable movie. It does seem like the kind of nonacting role she could really excel in (I'm being serious--think Keanu in The Matrix).

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Friday, 10 October 2003 21:36 (twenty years ago) link

Every movie I remember her being in -- a bit tricky if I think about it -- she's completely surface, the talk without the walk.

― Leee (Leee), Friday, 10 October 2003 21:42 (twenty years ago) link

But thousands of years more interesting than Keanu.

― Leee (Leee), Friday, 10 October 2003 21:43 (twenty years ago) link

I guess that's why she's just a superhuman assassin, not the one ...

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Friday, 10 October 2003 21:58 (twenty years ago) link

Oooh, I missed an Ebert discussion. Oh well.

Anyway, I saw it, it was pretty good. Some very good action, lots of fun little Tarantino candy stuff, great music, often very funny. It was pretty bloated though--really should've been one movie. Some of the scenes played WAY too long.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 10 October 2003 23:26 (twenty years ago) link

This movie really needed a trim. Still: often very beautiful, and cut pretty well. Dude still stuck a little of the bad jumpy slow-mo in there (probably done in post), which is the scourge of the modern cinema.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 10 October 2003 23:27 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, it was extremely obnoxious the way it ended because it didn't feel over in any way, not even in an "installment" kind of way either. it just ended. i would have no problem sitting for another 90 minutes and i resent having to wait until february to see what happens next!

― ryan (ryan), Friday, 10 October 2003 23:37 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, I didn't mind the way it ended so much as the fact that they split it in too in an obvious cash-grab. the two could probably be one 3-hour flick and I'd be satisfied; at least 30 mins of vol. 1 coulda been cut--like almost all of that "okinawa" sequence.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 10 October 2003 23:38 (twenty years ago) link

yeah but thematically i think that part is important! (the movie is phallus obsessed) i mean there is a lot of stuff that COULD be cut, but a lot of it seems essential somehow (like the O-Ren backstory).

i really hope this split-in-two thing is a disaster so it is never done again.

― ryan (ryan), Friday, 10 October 2003 23:41 (twenty years ago) link

THe O-Ren thing was great, really liked it. I don't mean the entire Okinawa sequence ought to be cut, but I don't think it works at 20 minutes (or whatever it was, it certainly felt like that long)

― s1utsky (slutsky), Friday, 10 October 2003 23:53 (twenty years ago) link

ah - i agree some things did go by pretty slow.

― ryan (ryan), Friday, 10 October 2003 23:56 (twenty years ago) link

i think as it stands volume one almost has a nice symmetry - with O-ren the former avenger and the future avenger of the little girl.

― ryan (ryan), Friday, 10 October 2003 23:59 (twenty years ago) link

Did anyone else catch the reference to the original Halicki Gone In 60 Seconds near the beginning of the film, with the shot of the cop car interior with a wide array of sunglasses on the dash? I lost my shit. And I couldn't stifle a laugh at the obviously-fake airplane and Tokyo skyline. Mad Toho love up in here!

Start collecting eurodisco 12-inches while you can still get 'em for $2 because that showdown scene between the Bride and O-Ren with that Santa Esmaralda track as the score is going to have nu-cratediggers glomming onto that shit like next-wave rare groove.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 11 October 2003 02:47 (twenty years ago) link

[uh. I spoiled some stuff. fuk.]

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 11 October 2003 02:48 (twenty years ago) link

Let's turn this thread into influence train-spotting. I saw Sword of Doom when the screen went black and white towards the beginning of the Crazy 88 fight!

― Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 04:40 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.princeton.edu/pr/pwb/00/1113/m/1a.jpg

― Dada, Saturday, 11 October 2003 04:41 (twenty years ago) link

I just saw it and thought it was mighty fun. Agree that the Okinawa sequence is perhaps too long, but in general I admire Tarantino's pacing, letting scenes breathe. This is something I couldn't get used to the first time I saw Jackie Brown but liked immensely the second time.

Like everyone else, I groaned when I first heard this was going to be in two parts, but now it seems to make sense. I couldn't imagine sitting through the Daryl Hannah and Michael Madsen sequences after all the House of Blue Leaves craziness. Even if it had been edited more judiciously, I have a feeling the linearity of the plot would've made me restless at a certain point.

Disappointed that the RZA's score was fairly minimal -- in fact, I had a hard time discerning what was actually original music.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 11 October 2003 05:04 (twenty years ago) link

The Okinawa sequence was good though! The scene at the bar between Chiba and his assistent or whatever was like the best non-action part of the whole movie.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 11 October 2003 05:23 (twenty years ago) link

Oh yeah I liked that part. Maybe upstairs in the sword room, then?

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 11 October 2003 05:26 (twenty years ago) link

i liked it a lot! it was really fun. i kept thinking of oliver stone for some reason. that comic booky/natural born killers/heightened/operatic/bloody/black and white/animation/cameras everywhere kinda feel, i guess. i suppose it would be too easy to call critics of kill bill fun-haters, huh? i can't help but feel that american critics are toothless grandmas what with that whole "it's the most violent/bloodiest movie ever" tag it gave the film. it's not either of those things. but it's still really good anyway.

― scott seward, Saturday, 11 October 2003 10:36 (twenty years ago) link

It might not be the most violent movie ever, but it has the best product placement ever:

http://theimaginaryworld.com/box722.jpg

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 11 October 2003 14:06 (twenty years ago) link

Anyone here in London up for a mass get-together to see it some time next week, maybe?

― Martin Skidmore (actually Ned posting via Martin's account) (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 11 October 2003 14:15 (twenty years ago) link

The airplane-over-Tokyo sequence was amazing. Actually, from then on in the movie was pretty much unstoppable, but especially the whole Tokyo intro, all the airplane and motorcycle stuff, just beautiful.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 11 October 2003 14:32 (twenty years ago) link

the movie is dumber than i anticipted. no way in hell im going to see the second one. thank god i saw the shit for free.

― pepsiisgood, Saturday, 11 October 2003 14:37 (twenty years ago) link

except for the first sequence with vivica a fox, I didn't think it was as violent as I was led to believe; the "big scene" at the end was in black and white which really took the edge off that. it was fun, probably my least favorite tarantino film but then I don't feel like I've seen the whole thing yet.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 11 October 2003 14:42 (twenty years ago) link

I'm liking it more the longer I think about it. I don't particularly care what happens in the next instalment as far as the "cliffhanger" goes, as long as it comes up with some other ideas. Uma wasn't as hard to take as I thought she would be. I agree with s1utsky on the plane sequence-loved it. However, the Sonny Chiba sequence totally dragged and got on my nerves, and could have been about three minutes, really. Another reservation would be that all Tarantino movies have to have the "I'm a bad ass motherfucker speech" which is usually just the same speech with a few different phrases dropped in (see Lucy Liu & Vivica Fox here). Some of the music (especially during the House of Blue Leaves scene) was excellent.

Quentin drives the Pussy Wagon now.

― adaml (adaml), Saturday, 11 October 2003 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

Wouldn't it be more fun if we all donned Victorian garb and debated vivisection?

― Aimless, Saturday, 11 October 2003 15:19 (twenty years ago) link

everyone who sez the 2 part thing is a scam = otm [furthermore unless the script has been overhauled since the draft i read, the second half will be a very dull & annoying stand-alone] but i liked it.

also the garden behind the House Of Blue Leaves is one of the most beautifully designed + lit sets of all time.

― jones (actual), Saturday, 11 October 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

I read that the second part will shift from Vol 1's blaxploitation (Fox=Pam Grier) and Hong Kong/Kurosawa nods to Italian horror movies and spaghetti westerns. That might be a startling transition, but I bet it'll play out really well when the whole thing is released as one film on DVD.

Also, I hope they release a special edition DVD that comes with a free "PUSSY WAGON" keychain.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 11 October 2003 15:56 (twenty years ago) link

they will but the free keychain will be sold seperately

― jones (actual), Saturday, 11 October 2003 16:02 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't quite get the fact that each of the victims would be disposed of in a sequence paying homage to a new film genre, so this kind of interests me. Make mine giallo!

― Sean (Sean), Saturday, 11 October 2003 18:53 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I was just realizing that too! It's pretty clear that Budd = (spag) westerns, but will Elle Driver and Bill each correspond to a specific genre?

― Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 18:59 (twenty years ago) link

The B&W thing was a little inexplicable.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:24 (twenty years ago) link

Really outstanding.
I've been so sick of kitchy kung fu in movies but the violence in Kill Bill was surprising, inspired malevolence. The whole thing was somwhere between po-mo fantasy and genre myth making. I was intitially dissapointed to hear about the movie being split in two but I thought Volume One worked well enough as a self contained piece that far too much is being made of the distribution plan. It dependsom if you're a fan of Tarentino or not, I've only come around fairly recently in appreciating his work, but to me Kill Bill is just as worth of respect as Pulp Ficiton.

― theodore fogelsanger, Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:31 (twenty years ago) link

Nate the Cynic: "I bet they changed it to black and white because the blood and the SFX looked too unconvincing in color"

Nate the Dork: "HOLY FUCKING SHIT HE'S BRINGING IT RAGING BULL STYLE"

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:32 (twenty years ago) link

S1utsky: "meh"

― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:45 (twenty years ago) link

but then a couple seconds later with the silhouette scene:

S1utsky: "yeh"

― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:45 (twenty years ago) link

I hate it when you try to post something and it fucks up and you lose your whole post.

hey that black and white part was obviously that Sword of Doom reference I was talking about it isn't inexplicable !@#$#@!$@

I just heard that there's like an "easter egg" after the end credits, so now I'm pissed I didn't stay for them. Did anyone see it? Could you descibe it to me?

― Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:55 (twenty years ago) link

THAT SILHOUETTE SCENE WAS FUCKING INCREDIBLE TO ME.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:56 (twenty years ago) link

i was thinking that perhaps the black and white was for an R rating. (honestly tho it hardly seemed more violent than a monty python skit at that point)

what genre was the vernita green scene supposed to represent?

― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 11 October 2003 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

Ryan, my friend made the same point (about ratings), but then jones said it was in the original script. I don't know what to believe anymore.

Dan: yeah, how great was that!

― s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:05 (twenty years ago) link

Okay, I guess it turns out that the "easter egg" was a misunderstanding cause in the version that they originally showed the critics they had the airplane scene at the end after the credits, but now of course it isn't. So nevermind...

― Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:09 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, and in case anyone's interested, here's an early version of the script. A lot of it has been changed, obviously, but a lot of it is also the same. Obviously this would completely SPOIL it for you, so don't read these SPOILERS if you don't want to know what's basically going to happen (I mean, besides the stuff that we already know will basically happen).

here: http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~alexward/script.htm

― Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:24 (twenty years ago) link

Actually let me just post one tiny little non-spoily excerpt from that that relates directly to what we were talking about earlier: "This could be the opening shot of a Texas zombie movie."

― Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

OMG, I somehow forgot about the silhouette scene. Amazement seconded, and thirded. Did the first shot of that sequence briefly remind anyone else of Prince's video for "Kiss", or am I just nuts?

― adaml (adaml), Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:46 (twenty years ago) link

Big meh. I'm disappointed. How many times is an otherwise well-choreographed fight ruined by overmanaging editor? GOOD ACTION NEEDS CONTINUITY.

― Leee (Leee), Saturday, 11 October 2003 20:54 (twenty years ago) link

Thanks adam! I knew it reminded me of some music video, but I couldn't remember which one.

― Dan I., Saturday, 11 October 2003 21:14 (twenty years ago) link

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