TRUE DETECTIVE on hbo - matthew mcconaughey, woody harrelson, michelle monaghan, fukunaga, pizzolatto

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wish this sho was more like vh1 'i love the 90s'

a group of dadfucker types (Matt P), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 23:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

a better thread idea than this one would be "POLL the 90s: music in the 90s"

a group of dadfucker types (Matt P), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 23:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

anyone read pizzolatto's novels?

ryan, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 23:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

McCounohay holds his cigarette like a joint

ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 01:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

“I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self aware, nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself. We are creatures that should not exist by natural law…We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self, a secretion of sensory, experience, and feeling, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody is nobody.”

hope Taxman will apply his view on things to his detectiving, remove the humanity from the crime and let animality run loose to reveal trails/ scents/ connections that will possibly break the case. the crime looks pagan in nature, enough to alert Reverend Tuttle to pressure the police into making an "task force to investigate crimes with an anti-christian conotation"... more likely it's a crime with an anti civilisation conotation. the victim met "a king" (anti democracy? "King Tyrant Lizard" dominance over other species like the victim, a prey with antlers )

what other detectives use similar speculative method, on top of my head i can only think of, maybe, agent cooper , 60s kitsch tv batman, johnny to's mad detective... an "interesting" way to go from there would be to , maybe, use these intutions and make the jump from fiction to real life, using the effect of what we know about the life of the actors and how it reveals something about the narrative as a bridge into "real life" to... idk

Sébastien, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 01:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm pushing the joke too far with that last sentence but i think it could be a fun thing to think about.

Sébastien, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

there's a well-known dutch (?) detective novelist whose character practices zen—can't remember the name at the moment.

tv's 'life' had a framed and unjustly imprisoned cop damian lewis who picked up self-help zen while in the joint and then compulsively broke into puzzled quasi-koans about the ordinary things people around him said while he was working cases. not sure that was methodically effective tho.

j., Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

also philip kerr's 'a philosophical investigation', somehow.

j., Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

Cohle: This place is like someone's memory of a town, and the memory's fading. It's like there was never anything here but jungle.

Hart: Stop sayin' shit like that. It's unprofessional.

Cohle: Oh, is that what I'm going for here?

Hart: I just want you to stop saying odd shit, like you "smell a psychosphere," or you're "in someone's faded memory of a town," just stop.

Cohle: Given how long it's taken for me to reconcile my nature, I can't figure I'd forgo it on your account, Marty.

if this is writerly I'm fine with it

rip van wanko, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm guessing the occult angle is a misguided assumption a la WM3.

Simon H., Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

McCounohay holds his cigarette like a joint

― ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, January 14, 2014 7:32 PM (54 minutes ago)

Yeah, this was distracting, the exaggerated drags on the cig and the way he held it. After a while I started looking for exhaled smoke and not seeing any -- often there were cuts away just as he would have been exhaling. Otherwise, I thought this was really good, looking forward to the rest.

channel 9's meaty urologist (WilliamC), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

there was a weird bit where he gets ash on the table and swipes it away before the other detectives turn around and see it.

ryan, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've been told I hold my cigarettes like a joint, been trying to work on that.

JacobSanders, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

some ppl hold their cig like a dart, too: probably not in texas unless the guy is "weird".

Sébastien, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 02:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

the taxman takes notes, wonder how he "holds em all together" .he draws some of em so i assume conscision must be a part of his system . i'm having a bit too much fun with this, maybe. don't let me down, television!

Sébastien, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 03:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

when i saw antlers i thought: aw no, not again. hannibal got that covered already

Sébastien, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 05:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

the crime scene looked like tumblr art

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 15 January 2014 06:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

throw together some antlers and naturey paganish symbols and stuff

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 15 January 2014 06:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Pinterest these pagan ritual twig pyramids

Sufjan Grafton, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 07:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

pagan iconography hack

Sufjan Grafton, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 07:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

Some spoilers in this but also some interesting speculation:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/01/12/true-detective-premiere/

ryan, Thursday, 16 January 2014 05:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

… man possessed by ungovernable rage…

j., Thursday, 16 January 2014 06:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

omg i love this

j., Thursday, 16 January 2014 06:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

i wonder if it was set in the 90s just because pizzolatto wanted this retrospective structure, or because he actually wanted it then for some reason. at the very least, that puts it pre-internet, sorta pre-cell phone, pre-computerized crime investigation, which seems like a conspicuous difference from the norm now.

j., Thursday, 16 January 2014 07:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

It seems evident that the duration of the case is important what with them arresting the wrong person.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Thursday, 16 January 2014 09:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

I wonder if, since this show is following the anthology format, that every season is going to be a flashback of sorts to a different time or will a season (if it lasts that long) take place in current time.

Murgatroid, Thursday, 16 January 2014 09:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

“There could be a season that’s much more of a wide-spread conspiracy thriller, a season that’s a small town murder mystery, a season where nobody is murdered and it’s a master criminal versus a master detective,” Pizzolatto said. “Even the title True Detective is meant to be, of course, purposefully somewhat generic. There are deeper indications, the word true can also mean honorable….as long as there is some crime in there.”

It was not made clear if — like FX’s American Horror Story — the anthology would retain a few faces from season to season. For his part, Matthew McConaughey, who stars alongside Woody Harrelson, made clear that this season’s story was “contained,” but Pizzolatto was hesitant to agree with the actor when he claimed, “That’s it.” “We’ll talk later,” said Pizzolatto.

Number None, Thursday, 16 January 2014 10:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

o thanks gukbe, that's good

j., Thursday, 16 January 2014 15:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

this new trend of anthology series is pretty cool and a good way to get around the limitations of long-arc storytelling. like how long did prison break go on after they actually broke out of prison? or did they keep sending them back or something?

socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 16 January 2014 16:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

maybe they went back to break the others out

or life lost meaning on the outside so they started deliberately getting arrested so there would be more prison breaks

j., Thursday, 16 January 2014 16:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was surprised by (and liked) the minimalism of T-Bone Burnett's score. Maybe I don't listen to the guy's work enough but, yeah.

Murgatroid, Thursday, 16 January 2014 16:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

already lobbying for the next one to be a LA noir.

ryan, Thursday, 16 January 2014 16:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

What is Woody doing with his voice and/or jaw? He's almost got this lipful-of-Skoal underbite thing happening, which makes him sound grittier than he usually does.

Walter Galt, Friday, 17 January 2014 10:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

Also: Starts in the UK on Sky Atlantic on 22 February at 9pm

Walter Galt, Friday, 17 January 2014 11:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

Pizzoletti's novel Galveston is good, tough guy crime fiction if you're into that sort of thing

calstars, Friday, 17 January 2014 13:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

Superb opening episode, although the lasting influence of Fincher's Seven (which came out the year this was set(?) is surprising.

McConaughey and Harrelson make a great pairing though. Woody's reactions to his partner's "one last midnight" pessimist speech during the car drive were priceless.

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Saturday, 18 January 2014 13:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

i felt like them wearing fitted shirts and suits was just a way of not calling attention to the period setting too much...it's like the flipside of American Hustle

slam dunk, Saturday, 18 January 2014 15:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

rust's suits are fitted, different from the other detectives, hart's seem less so - his suits are different from the other detectives but not nearly as much as rust's. suspect this is meant to indicate something about the characters though if there's anything like janie bryant level coding going on here i have no idea.

balls, Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

rmde at all of you - cool creepy halfway decent show comes on tv & all you want to talk about is maybe their suits were too tight

did I mistake this for I Love Tailoring

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 January 2014 03:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

anyway i fucking love this & I am on board and ready for the antler weirdness #bringontheantlers

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 January 2014 03:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah I'm super excited for tonight

Ronnie James 乒乓 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 19 January 2014 13:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

i would say i'm definitely... interested... in seeing how the shirt thing plays out tonight

socki (s1ocki), Sunday, 19 January 2014 13:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Script leaked... Big surprise reveal at the end...Harrelson breaks into McCoughnahay's apartment and finds some pleated khakis

Ronnie James 乒乓 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 19 January 2014 14:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

*clutches pearls*

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 January 2014 14:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

McConaughey and Harrelson make a great pairing though. Woody's reactions to his partner's "one last midnight" pessimist speech during the car drive were priceless.

biggest lol of first episode for me was "when you get to my house you're going to need to chill the fuck out"

rip van wanko, Sunday, 19 January 2014 17:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

"the car is now a place for silent reflection"

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 January 2014 18:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah they have awesome chemistry already

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 January 2014 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

harrelson takes ep1 10-9 for his rendition in the dinner-table scene of a man struggling to keep his own face from exploding

resulting post (rogermexico.), Sunday, 19 January 2014 18:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

i loved that so much

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 January 2014 18:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

"you got some pussy on you"

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 20 January 2014 03:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Marty really fucked up his marriage. Maybe after the case he end up in a Die Hard-like situation and reconciles with his wife on national TV.

Now I can say it – you weren't too far off!

pplains, Sunday, 7 June 2015 02:11 (2 months ago) Permalink

LOL yeah, especially with the off-camera gunshot to kill the raging maniac right before he gets the good guys.

Reading over this thread and various analysis, it seems like people really read too much into the wrong things, and were upset that the ending didn't feed into that. The mythology the cult members were following was lifted completely from Victorian-era fiction, which is good stuff, but more or less fanfiction versions of the occult. No real underlying history to the stuff, just fabricated by horror/fantasy/satire writers who were writing to an audience living for the first time in a post-religious world, a world of industrialization and romanticizing recently colonized faraway lands, trying to top "1001 Arabian Nights".

Early in the series Rust is convinced there is reasoning behind invoking the imagery, that there is a history behind it, but he doesn't really mention it much past episode 4. The Yellow King and Carcosa are just masks, red herrings, textures to hide the perpetrators of these very real crimes. Just as the good upstanding Christian community is a mask for the horrible stuff they do.

In the end there was no greater force controlling these bad bad people, they were all responsible for their own actions.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 7 June 2015 14:39 (2 months ago) Permalink

Well, no greater force except LSD and meth. Which explains a LOT.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 7 June 2015 14:41 (2 months ago) Permalink


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