how in the blue fuck is it a question of "figuring out," the question is "why bother," and somehow i doubt the answer has to do with having strong ethical media-watchdog feelings and everything to do with "that's what people will click on/read," the obvious cold-blooded pragmatism of which wouldn't even be an issue if they would be halfway honest about it instead of pretending they have standards
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link
like i'm under 30 and i fall for my fair share of clickbait about various topics i just appreciate it being presented honestly
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link
jfc sloth
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link
cant believe u all wont get behind bullying bill simmons smh what has this bord come to
― lag∞n, Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:32 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Clay, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 22:31 (nine years ago) link
what happened to this thread even
i want to post this about once a week i'm going to take this occasion to actually do it
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/anchorman-i-dont-know-what.gif
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 22:36 (nine years ago) link
http://www.si.com/more-sports/2015/05/12/espn-upfronts-john-skipper-bill-simmons-grantland-epl?xid=nl_siextra
feeling like mr snrub about that van pelt announcement, svp and russillo is the only sports talk radio show i deliberately listen to and enjoy.
― balls, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 00:08 (nine years ago) link
On whether the deal with Simmons broke over money. “It did not come down to money. Look, we're a big company. If it was just dollars and cents, we would have figured something out. "It is about ultimately about what he wants to do, what value that creates, what we want to do together in deciding whether there is going to be a match, and we decided that ultimately there wouldn't be."
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 00:11 (nine years ago) link
On his level of interest for retaining Colin Cowherd and Skip Bayless, whose contracts are coming up: “Very high.”
smdh
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 02:53 (nine years ago) link
I was listening to the Hollywood Prospectus podcast this week, and for the umpteenth time, Ryan and Greenwald were joking about forgetting scenes and characters from the shows they are paid to review. Thought that was particularly tone deaf in light of the questions being asked about Grantland's value in light Simmons' canning.
― klonman, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link
Not that remembering Walda Frey is a matter of life or death, but jesus, have a little bit of professionalism.
― klonman, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link
they shd take notes
― lag∞n, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
tbf that's a running joke for a lot of people who watch game of thrones casually and ryan isn't an actual critic, but, yeah.
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:29 (nine years ago) link
(he runs the triangle blog and does that pod with greenwald bc the two of them are irl friends iirc)
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
Ahh that explains some of it. Also explains why Ryan admitted to not having seen any of the oscar movies during one of their year-end podcasts.
― klonman, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:33 (nine years ago) link
from a goodbye e-mail to his staff:
Wanted to tell you that it looks like I am done being involved with Grantland. Can’t say much here for obvious reasons, at least for now—I know you understand. In the short-term—don’t let this bullshit affect you. Just keep doing what you’re doing. It’s a job. We tried to make it feel like it was more than a job these last four years, but right now, it’s still a job and Grantland is still being consumed and judged by the general public (with unusually high standards, too). So keep the quality of your work as high as it’s always been. Work situations are rarely going to be perfect and you can’t allow it to affect what you’re doing. The best way to “respond” right now is to keep putting out a great site. If you didn’t know, April was our best month—we passed 10 million uniques without chasing traffic and without any leading-the-site promotion whatsoever from ESPN.com (just one Mets piece for like 90 minutes, that’s it). We built an audience because of quality and quality only. You guys should feel good about that.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:09 (nine years ago) link
It’s a job. We tried to make it feel like it was more than a job these last four years, but right now, it’s still a job
:(
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:35 (nine years ago) link
fuck jobs
― mookieproof, Saturday, 16 May 2015 00:58 (nine years ago) link
it would be sweet if a bunch of the staff left with him but i'm not sure if that'll happen
― k3vin k., Saturday, 16 May 2015 01:58 (nine years ago) link
seems like after putting all the time and effort into building that thing most ppl wldnt want to immediately repeat the process somewhere else but who knows
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:00 (nine years ago) link
the ESPN affiliation is a big deal and some of the smaller names i'm not sure can take the risk of leaving that behind
― k3vin k., Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:01 (nine years ago) link
seems like if he tries another grantland, maybe an independent venture, might want to make it more podcast heavy less writing
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:12 (nine years ago) link
obv just hiring a million ppl cause u like them is not really the look
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:16 (nine years ago) link
i know u (kev) luuuuv him, but why on earth would they? espn has a certain interest in making grantland succeed without him, they are decent writers getting paid to work for the wwl, and i doubt that bs himself is much of an editor. unless espn brings in alec baldwin, they would seem to be in a pretty good spot right now
― mookieproof, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:29 (nine years ago) link
espn prob dismantles/wildly rethinks grantland pretty fast one wld think, it doesnt seem to have much point other than making simmons happy
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:31 (nine years ago) link
without any leading-the-site promotion whatsoever from ESPN.com (just one Mets piece for like 90 minutes, that’s it)
/declines the to say what % of traffic came from other espn properties, just like there was only one piece that was leading the home page/
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:33 (nine years ago) link
just about everyone on that site is pretty replaceable except for zach lowe, tho
it's possible they liked simmons as a boss and are not going to like the new direction (probably SEO) the site goes in. i agree that for the majority of the staff the ESPN brand is probably more important to their careers and starting something new with BS is probably a big risk
― k3vin k., Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:33 (nine years ago) link
xxp
― k3vin k., Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:34 (nine years ago) link
we passed 10 million uniques without chasing traffic
/publishes game of thrones precaps and recaps because they are good and the world needs them/
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:35 (nine years ago) link
(probably SEO)
― k3vin k., Friday, May 15, 2015 10:33 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
eh hem we are living in the social era
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:36 (nine years ago) link
how many mad men pieces are on the grantland front page right now, the friday before the airing of the finale? this is probably a fun guessing game u can play at parties w/ friends this weekend.
― Clay, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:52 (nine years ago) link
w/o checking i would guess 4
p much guaranteed anyone focused on quality, doing great work, etc is on some extremely middlebrow shit
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:54 (nine years ago) link
wow the answer is only 1, and that's just as part of some culture podcast thing. but i guess grantland isn't quite vulture or hitfix or whatever.
― Clay, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:56 (nine years ago) link
lol yeah i was just about to post that it isn't the a.v. club
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:56 (nine years ago) link
hey its only friday theres still time!
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:57 (nine years ago) link
they don't post stuff on the weekend!
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:58 (nine years ago) link
lol vulture's front page has 12 hits for "mad men" including
TVHow the Media Forced Mad Men Down the World’s Throat All the Horrible Ways People Think Mad Men Is Going to End 7 Motifs to Watch for in the Mad Men Finale
― Clay, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:59 (nine years ago) link
idk man! they cld!
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:59 (nine years ago) link
that's when middlebrow ppl go out and have brunch of whatever
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:59 (nine years ago) link
someone summarize where mad men is at for me i havent seen it in ~3 seasons
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:00 (nine years ago) link
also tell me how it will end
brunch is good i support brunch brunch is the good kind of middle brow
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:01 (nine years ago) link
tbf we don't read the same things there at all
ben lindbergh and, perhaps to a lesser extent, jonah keri are not easily replaceable for baseball
katie bakes and mcindoe are basically the only decent hockey stuff espn does
charlie pierce (and you can't tell me he was all 'i will only be edited by bill simmons')
the av club stuff, tho, sure
xp to av club!
― mookieproof, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:02 (nine years ago) link
summary: don is slowly receding as the rest of society moves forward
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:02 (nine years ago) link
that is a pretty adept summary
― Clay, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:02 (nine years ago) link
wow dons life is dark is he still extremely handsome at least
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:03 (nine years ago) link
he is v handsome yes but roger has a mustache
― Clay, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:05 (nine years ago) link
oh what the hell roger
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:06 (nine years ago) link
i like keri a lot
pierce, i enjoy his political stuff for esquire but i don't think writing about sports is really his thing
i cannot comment on hockey
― k3vin k., Saturday, 16 May 2015 03:07 (nine years ago) link