yeah if i had to guess grantland is prob fd
I will weep for lambert and netw3rk and that's about it
― Clay, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
lowe tho? morris?
i like andy greenwald's tv reviewing, when he gets into This Is What TV Means In Culture stuff that gets annoying though
rembert is a clown who while not an /entirely/ untalented writer steers into literally every cliche about people my age who write for the internet and seems to really enjoy doing so
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link
i think most if not all of the grantland writers will bolt over the course of the next few months unless they are under contract
― J0rdan S., Friday, 8 May 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
I've complained abt Lowe a lot actually. I like him as a talker much more than I do a writer. He's just not graceful as a stylist.
― Clay, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:16 (nine years ago) link
i respect that zach will debate himself and conclude with "i'm not sure what i think" but sometimes he hems and haws a bit much
― J0rdan S., Friday, 8 May 2015 20:20 (nine years ago) link
can't believe i got a nytimes notification on my phone about bill simmons this morning btw like since when is this boston basketball blogger that big a deal, congrats to thebostonsportsguy on his impeccable brand
― Clay, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link
i mean of boston sports people better it happen to him than shaughnessy or literally anyone from fucking WEEI
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:33 (nine years ago) link
hes the biggest sportswriter in the country, also espn gave nytimes the exclusive xp
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:48 (nine years ago) link
apparently they docked his pay for getting suspended last year, but they waited until 6 days before christmas to do it. classy!
― call all destroyer, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:49 (nine years ago) link
i dont think lowe is a good writer or anything but i have learned a lot having him explain basketball plays to me
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:49 (nine years ago) link
shdve done it on christmas imo
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:50 (nine years ago) link
lag∞nPosted: May 8, 2015 at 1:48:45 PMhes the biggest sportswriter in the country, also espn gave nytimes the exclusive xp
didn't know abt the latter. But idk Simmons is such a goof and to me he's eternally the gasbag making up insane trades next to Loaded Weapon metaphors on Page 2. Seems weird for him to occupy notification space usually reserved for election results or terrorism updates.
― Clay, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
i mostly skim lowe these days, i hate the structure of his columns
― call all destroyer, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
Guys are you ready
Since they didn't fire him they're just not renewing him...
What is Bill Simmons's expiring contract worth?
― juice college (agent hibachi), Friday, 8 May 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:53 (nine years ago) link
Seems weird for him to occupy notification space usually reserved for election results or terrorism updates.
― Clay, Friday, May 8, 2015 4:52 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ya tbh felt the same when i saw the alert way up at the top of the site
He's one of those so overrated he's underrated guys, like in rocky 4 where Stallone is so wait what am I doing kill me xps
― Clay, Friday, 8 May 2015 20:55 (nine years ago) link
at this point he has to be inserting those refs in there to provoke those exact reactions
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 8 May 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link
i have a theory that grantland will be much better now simmons has gone, sorta like when the knicks lost patrick ewing― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, May 8, 2015 3:10 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, May 8, 2015 3:10 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a+
talking out of my ass, but i'm gonna guess fox
― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 May 2015 00:15 (nine years ago) link
this sucks tbh
― k3vin k., Saturday, 9 May 2015 00:49 (nine years ago) link
yeah pretty rough for nba/sox/pats/godfather fans, too bad they'll no longer get the inside scoop
― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:11 (nine years ago) link
simmons will be fine, he'll find his way obv. But it's probably super dumb of espn to ditch the cult of simmons, there's no other figures like him out there and what like 95% of their on-air talent is either toxic or inoffensive to the point of insult. I mostly feel for the grantland writers who must feel like their career is very much in flux because bill simmons rightly is unafraid of saying roger goodell is a monster.
― Clay, Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:20 (nine years ago) link
by all accounts simmons had vision and treated his staff well. when grantland goes the way of idolator it'll be sad
― k3vin k., Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:23 (nine years ago) link
Can't for the life of me see what ESPN has to gain by doing this.
― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:23 (nine years ago) link
the amount of money simmons brings ESPN is probably a drop in their overall bucket. from that standpoint, and given how he openly flouts the company line, it's an understandable business decision
― k3vin k., Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:25 (nine years ago) link
i think it's clear they had no intention of paying simmons after this contract was up but the decision to announce it now is impulsive and dumb. i really don't see simmons being the good soldier type for the next 4 months.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:26 (nine years ago) link
― k3vin k., Friday, May 8, 2015 9:23 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, i didn't read that much grantland stuff but it did a good job of being a general purpose site where you could go putter around without being offended or irritated which is a bigger compliment than it sounds.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:28 (nine years ago) link
yeah i mean i didn't fuck with their pop culture stuff, i was strictly simmons/lowe/keri
― k3vin k., Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:33 (nine years ago) link
espn can afford to keep grantland and its writers well-paid no matter its hits; it offers a modicum of journalistic integrity to an organization that otherwise has none. bless simmons for assembling (and being able to assemble) the talent, but i'm skeptical that his editorial prowess is what made it work. and i would hope espn would be very much at pains to demonstrate that
nor was simmons wrong about goodell, etc., but there's a difference between truth-telling and very deliberately being a dick to your employer
― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 May 2015 01:40 (nine years ago) link
simmons has been a pretty firm proponent of 'just hire talented ppl, leave them alone, and let them do what they do' w/ 30 for 30 and grantland and it's worked to their benefit w/ both. 30 for 30 is probably the real money making thing he's come up w/ them (esp now that they're going into stuff that doesn't even feel like the original spirit of 30 for 30 ie another documentary about the willis reed knicks)(which i enjoyed mind you and they did dig up that awesome footage of reed taking on an entire team but it wasn't exactly a story that hadn't been told before).
i think he wanted to stay at espn and was even being a good soldier in his way - he's been on espn radio alot more than he was in the past (though not mike and mike lol)(and some of that is just him and russillo becoming bros i guess) and he had this weird long monologue about his history w/ espn on a podcast a little while back. from what i've read today fox seems like a good bet, they're thirsty as hell and it would put them on the map, he's apparently got friends over there already and he's a big katie nolan fan. they don't have nba but it's not like he was going back to working pregames at espn anyway.
― balls, Saturday, 9 May 2015 02:10 (nine years ago) link
and he's a big katie nolan fan.
lool
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 9 May 2015 02:27 (nine years ago) link
idk who that is
― k3vin k., Saturday, 9 May 2015 02:34 (nine years ago) link
didn't want to do it; felt i owed it to him
― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 May 2015 02:41 (nine years ago) link
give it to Olberman imo
― polyphonic, Saturday, 9 May 2015 03:15 (nine years ago) link
yeah pretty rough for nba/sox/pats/godfather fans, too bad they'll no longer get the inside scoop --mookieproof
you tell em
― slothroprhymes, Saturday, 9 May 2015 04:55 (nine years ago) link
<3
― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 May 2015 05:09 (nine years ago) link
I'm w Kevin on this. Use grantland like he does.
― #wegonnabechampionship (Spottie), Saturday, 9 May 2015 05:10 (nine years ago) link
grantland is pretty bad imo, there are a few good writers on there but overall it perfectly represents the middlebrow quality signifying nothing ethos of hacks everywhere, there doesnt seem to be any sort of vision behind it besides the vague idea of making something "good"
― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 May 2015 15:22 (nine years ago) link
shd be noted too they publish some of the most remarkably pop culture begging ass face basketball writing ever written on a regular basis
― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 May 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link
like u want to read a bunch of grown men get all wound up about a vine of a vicious dunk and then compare it to some game of thrones gifs grantland.com is the website 4 u
― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 May 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link
I mean sometimes there's nothing wrong with that, and sometimes you end up with the enshrined memeification of dion waiters, it's a fine line
― slothroprhymes, Saturday, 9 May 2015 15:33 (nine years ago) link
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― lag∞n, Saturday, May 9, 2015 11:24 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― lag∞n, Saturday, May 9, 2015 11:27 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
all of this
― k3vin k., Saturday, 9 May 2015 16:55 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/Ht5MKwZ.png
...
― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 May 2015 17:22 (nine years ago) link
of the many things you can knock grantland for I fail to see how a pun headline and a perfectly decent if not exactly earth shaking article in praise of tony allen is one of them
― slothroprhymes, Saturday, 9 May 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link
k
― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 May 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link
the amount of money simmons brings ESPN is probably a drop in their overall bucket.
^ this
roger goodell may be a monster, but game recognizes game so to speak, and the ceo of espn knows that the nfl is worth billions to them, and goodell (being a monster like himself) will doubtless crush any entity that even vaguely threatens his vastly profitable machine. so spinner obligingly crushed simmons as a gesture of good will toward goodell, as one monster to another. that's business, ladies and gentlemen.
― Aimless, Saturday, 9 May 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link
Yea you don't stop to the lord god nfl and expect to come out clean in the end
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 9 May 2015 18:26 (nine years ago) link
all true i respect simmons for being a rebel and speaking truth to power in this case
― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 May 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link
and publicly beefing w yr evil employer is p cool / more ppl shd do it
― lag∞n, Saturday, 9 May 2015 18:41 (nine years ago) link
― Aimless, Saturday, May 9, 2015 2:18 PM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no one should be celebrating this
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 9 May 2015 19:19 (nine years ago) link