Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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High hopes for this turning out a smart and civil discussion like the horror films why not thread, deep fears that it will descend into madness fyi

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

i think it's bc games are competitive experiences and competition brings out the worst in human beings

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Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

idk i obv have some pretty strong concerns abt that wrt online FPS screaming idiots and the like, but i dont think that has as much to do with the games themselves (i mean obv its part of the experience but it isnt internalized content per se)

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

some of it is cultural differences/lack of knowledge between Asia and the West.

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

do you guys mean disgusting behavior in players or the games?

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

i mean ive heard some commentary on this but a lot of the big arguments are a little facile and outsidery to me, like the idea that games are a juvenilized form of entertainment and thus more prone to juvenile thinking

xxpost yeah bnw that is def one of the things that i think factors in

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

the sexism is definitely audience targeting. and it is depressingly dead on.

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

i am talking abt the games, not the players, but obv there is going to be some reflection there wrt consumers influencing content etc

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's not just that consumers influence the content, it's also that game creators are gamers themselves and exist in the gaming community. they play on the same multiplayer servers and their customers, they're influenced by the same games...

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

-demographics.
-the fact that computer games, for fairly obvious reasons, attract less sophisticated writers than other forms of media.

zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

was the new deus ex french? or french canadian? because thats def one of the weirdest examples of this - fairly thoughtful intellectual game and then whoa whats up with this homeless lady

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

to be perjorative a bit, nerds' poor socialization extends to society broadly, not just socializing. and they get reeeaaally defensive when called on their shit.

combined with a post-rockstar "it's supposed to be funny!" attitude w/r/t this kind of shit and it's a toxic brew

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

A big hook for many games is "by gamers, for gamers"; this means almost by design that a good chunk of regressive content is going to be present in the games since they are operating in this feedback loop where the social environment these games are created in is normalized to be incredibly shitty in a lot of ways.

For all of the equality for things like, say, making your character be male or female is a cosmetic change that doesn't affect your stats, you have things like all of the female iterations of the WoW races being as close to "busty cutie-pie" as the baseline skin will allow them to be (the undead and dwarf races are particularly comical re: this, but even the frickin' minotaur race has "sexy" female forms with cow heads).

xposts basically covered all of this but I am inflicting the concept of sexy cows on y'all anyway

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

some of it is sort of legacy racism from the earlier forms of media that fed VGs? D&D, action movies, etc

xp oh god WoW haha

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

how do you guys rank sexism/racism by systems? nintendo (the most juvenile) should come out looking better I'd think.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

also, game content really not as important as ludic components (the best story can just barely redeem a game with terrible gameplay sometimes, while tons of beloved games have amazing gameplay and no story to speak of, or a really shitty story), so it's less important to designers to get stuff right with the content - which is where the racist/sexist stuff primarily exists

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

I mean... come on

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

actually feel like WoW held back a lot compared to some other games.

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

Skyrim has the same sort of issues. Like ... why does my lizard lady have tits.

polyphonic, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

nintendo (the most juvenile) should come out looking better I'd think.

have you ever played a Mario game??? also Punchout lololol.

zappi, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

theyre not?

Lamp, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

mario racist against turtles?

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

well sure, WoW isn't like Duke Nukem, but the point is more that the whole "moving comic book" medium that their art direction is based upon is super normalized in how the genders should be represented, to the point where even for races where it doesn't make sense for the males to be burly he-men and the women to be curvy sexpots, they still are

also, there's the female night elf dance (which is based on the famous Alizee clips that were zooming around the Internet in the early 00s):

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

copying this over from the other thread because i thinks it a very interesting and good point to think abt

i wonder if part of it is because games are often a solo experience (though not always of course) whereas movies, at some point in their release cycle at least, are experienced collectively? in other words, because the casual racism is easier for people to swallow by themselves as opposed to in a group?

― 1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 8:29 PM (25 minutes ago)

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

okay lol @ Mario being so mainstreamed that all of the "MAMA MIA" and "IT'SA ME, MARIO!" interjections don't even register as caricature anymore

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

i disagree w/ ZS's assertion esp bc i think the most racist/sexist behavior re video games happens in their most collective experience (multiplayer)

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I think this is pretty easily chalked up to creators pandering to (and being born of) the overwhelmingly 15-35 male demographics of AAA game buyers. The women and men who like and play AAA games but don't like sexualized representations of women in these games (and also comic books) make their voices heard but the majority of the audience would be bummed if you took away their lizardwoman tits.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

duh DJP you cant be racist against italians anymore, the godfather fixed that forever

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

did Mario ever say those lines or are we forcing racism on the poor guy? are we blaming his video game char for his cartoon version? important issues in my work day

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

"it's a-me, Mario!" the sound of booting up Super Mario 64 iirc.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol gg then

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

fyi listening to that may drive you crazy

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

the Mario Kart one is also insane

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

"So long, gay Bowser!"

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

Alot of this sounds like hes sleeping with someone. *barfs*
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og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

Do u say "ravioli!" when u fuckin?

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

did they really get roberto benigni to do the voices?

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Everybody knows that Mario's wet dreams involve pasta and Bowser.

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

I worked at a gaming geek/comic book store for a couple years and this kind of stuff is everywhere. the idea that females without massive bobs existed at some point is lost on these people

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha awesome typo

"I like the writer but does the artist have to make every female character's hair so big?"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'ma luigi. nambar wan.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh man my old college roommate used to say "yeah, peach has got it" in a squeaky ass voice all the time. mad nostalgia.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

I never played the Horde side of WoW with any regularity so I didn't realize that the trolls were all Jamaican until way way late in the game when I started a troll character because I was bored. Reading the quest text for most of the starter area was PAINFUL.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

there's a ton of gender normalization in movies too, yeah?

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

im def not saying that movies are immune but i dont think you can make the argument that movies even approach the overt O_O aspects of video games wrt either of these

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

(I also used to play WoW with the sound off and either Vent or iTunes going, so I missed a good chunk of the voice acting)

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah for sure, and movies as a genre are much more mature. but it seems to me that anytime you throw a lot of money at a project (either a blockbuster movie or a blockbuster game) you're gonna end up w/ some pretty unreasonable gender representations

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Or maybe as we told you dipshits over and over GameStop did not have control over our editorial and we were actually making the magazine we wanted to make

I am kind of amazed by this tho - like, you could have literally said "No good games this month, check back next time", and GameStop would be okay with that?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 November 2015 20:08 (2 months ago) Permalink

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. There were a couple times we did not award game of the month. (Not that there were no good games I don't think that's ever the case but nothing great).

Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 20:24 (2 months ago) Permalink

I mean if that's the case why would they allow us to review Steam PC indie stuff at all? I think they just gave Undertale have of the month? Why let me spend $1500 on doing a photo shoot of Anita? Where's the benefit?

Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 20:29 (2 months ago) Permalink

Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. There were a couple times we did not award game of the month. (Not that there were no good games I don't think that's ever the case but nothing great).

Okay - that's neat.

I mean if that's the case why would they allow us to review Steam PC indie stuff at all? I think they just gave Undertale game of the month? Why let me spend I500 on doing a photo shoot of Anita? Where's the benefit?

That's an odd question though - like, even airline magazines have stuff in them not related to BUY FROM SHOP.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 November 2015 20:57 (2 months ago) Permalink

Thought the name of this site sounded like some sorta energy drink directly manufactured for these guys equally informed by a toilet wine mixture of Monster/Soylent/Mountain Dew Code Red w/ CoD-Halo 2xp codes on the label and Dark Elightenment/Gatergate/Pua/that wannabe Kane cosplayer,

and whaddayaknow:

About Reaxxion
Reaxxion is a gaming site for men that was created as a reaction to extremists infiltrating and corrupting video game journalism. It aims to be a community of men who want to discuss gaming without being fed propaganda or labeled sexist because of their interest in specific kinds of gaming entertainment. You may email the team by visiting the contact page.

Reaxxion Community Beliefs:
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4. A clear line must be drawn between advertising and editorial content (read our ethics policy). Site content must be free of bias or moneyed interests.

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Professor Goodfeels (kingfish), Friday, 27 November 2015 21:35 (2 months ago) Permalink

Ha, "Gatergate"

These guys wish they had tenth of the charm of the gate you have to enter Gatorland thru

Professor Goodfeels (kingfish), Friday, 27 November 2015 21:39 (2 months ago) Permalink

"For example, while the following things may be considered gay by lesser men, there is nothing for strong heterosexual man to fear in the following:"

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 November 2015 21:46 (2 months ago) Permalink

Also lolz the site folded after nine months.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 November 2015 21:46 (2 months ago) Permalink

So painfully lame

Eugene Goostman (forksclovetofu), Friday, 27 November 2015 22:37 (2 months ago) Permalink

Andrew take your condescending attitude and shove it directly up your ass

Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 22:41 (2 months ago) Permalink

In flight magazine, motherfucker why don't you back up one single thing your insinuating about me and my personal ethics

Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 22:45 (2 months ago) Permalink

Dude, what the fuck are you talking about?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 November 2015 23:06 (2 months ago) Permalink

You accuse me of altering review scores at GameStop's bidding, which is calling me crooked. then compare us to an in flight magazine, stop your faux naif routine.

Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 23:17 (2 months ago) Permalink

Sorry everyone but all this time of I'm not saying I'm just saying shit cannot take it one more minute.

Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 November 2015 23:19 (2 months ago) Permalink

Okay well, I expressed surprise because, when you hear a big magazine is owned by a big retailer of what the magazine covers, it's not the default assumption that the magazine has a completely free hand. You get that, right? I mean, I was already aware of it because it made Leigh Alexander's List of Actual Ethical Concerns post.

You tell me it's not the case, that's fine, I am completely down with that, and it's a pleasant surprise - that's what I meant by "that's neat". I'm aware that the things you referenced as evidence are public, and I could have found them out beforehand, but I'm not a journalist researching a story - I'm some asshole having an opinion on the internet. I don't think I've ever actually held a copy of GI.

I do know enough journalists though, that I wasn't expecting you to take it as a personal insult - it wasn't intended as such, even if I'd known you worked there before today I'd have figured a job's a job. But I clearly have insulted you, so sorry about that.

Anyway, all I meant by the second line was just that "We do some things that don't benefit our owner's bottom line" is kind of an odd defense of the independence (which again I'm not disputing), as even publications that are very clearly commercially driven and/or utilitarian have *some* other material in them. I cast around for an example and came up with an in-flight magazine - it's a comparison in so far as any analogy is, but it was intended to be clearly at the other end of the range from what you've just described GI as. Clearly I need to work on my clearly.

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 28 November 2015 00:10 (2 months ago) Permalink

I think regardless of who owns the game magazine, there's an interest in covering all games as well as you can, since even people who buy items not carried in-store are going to want to buy accessories, controllers, or other physical items they could shop for at the mall.

I used to love reading game reviews as a kid even when I actually bought very few games -- partially because I was limited in the number of games I could afford to buy, but also because my mom could be talked into buying me reading material. Probably half out of gratitude for the ability to park me at the magazines/books section in Target for a while when she went to go get things I wasn't into.

On the other hand, a store is going to want to work to sell to all their possible customers, regardless of where the actual game is being downloaded. And they'll try to pull a few bucks out of that, too. I mean, Gamestop sells Steam gift cards! http://www.gamestop.com/collection/steam-cards

m@tt I get the defensiveness, but if having a magazine didn't sell games, even if the content doesn't directly advocate what games, there'd be no advertisers and no revenue! It's not a dirty business, it's just how things work.

I've known people who have written great reviews or cultural pieces that ended up being published in tourism magazines or airline magazines or whatever. It doesn't mean it's not written by people who love culture, it's just the venue for getting paid for writing about what you love. I have a few of those magazines around because of the pieces I really like, but it only marginally influences what airline I use, or what hotel I stay in.

μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 28 November 2015 00:19 (2 months ago) Permalink

imo it's prudent for the "sponsor" as it were to give the writers a free hand, and for the actual store stockists to read their own magazine because it's like in-house market research!

μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 28 November 2015 00:20 (2 months ago) Permalink

Leigh's list of ethical concerns somehow left out her working as a game consultant while working as a journalist.

I'm saying I understand the suspicions I just get tired of constantly defending it. Esp when ppl who claim they want journalism never seem to have more proof than "well gee sure seems fishy." Either I'm an sjw operative or corporate stooge, every thing I wrote is out there you decide.

Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 28 November 2015 01:00 (2 months ago) Permalink

I think a company selling games is a lot less suspicious than, I dunno, a company making games? Regardless of who advertises in GI, the parent company doesn't really give a shit which game sells, as long as some game does

μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 28 November 2015 01:59 (2 months ago) Permalink

tbh i dont give a crap about ethics in video game journalism. it is a job, people get paid to write about products. they are associated w the game creators because that is professional, that is networking. what people think is "collision" is good communication.

there is a strong anti-company movement that is alongside the anti-journalism one. people hate the companies themselves. they hate valve, ea, ubisoft, etc. they spent all year trashing konami. "DLC" and "MICROTRANSACTIONS" are talking points known to render people incapable of anything outside of primal consumerist babble. i dont know why there is all this distrust.

i dont really want anything out of video game journalism other than fresh takes on the material itself. i could do w less corporate drama. less social media gaffes. more like a film critic, looking at framing, staging, themes, motifs, etc. the drama gets really hyped these days and it ends up as fuel for the haters.

i apologize to upper mississippi if i seem disrespectful. i don't know who you are or what site you write for. i will always want to read new stuff.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 28 November 2015 06:40 (2 months ago) Permalink

Thanks. I'm overly sensitive being that I found a Gamergate hit piece on me online. Thing is too guys there was more death threats (not to me personally) than you know. One major outlet had their families doxxed but no one reported on it. My wife was very happy when I quit game journalism. It's a toxic environment now.
But on the whole I tried to do the best I could and I believe that to be true of our competitors. There's no big conspiracy. It's just a bunch of companies throwing shit at the wall and trying to see what sticks and no one really knows what they are doing.

Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 28 November 2015 13:40 (2 months ago) Permalink

at least that gamergate don't like you is something that kinda resounds to yr favor?

thwomp (thomp), Saturday, 28 November 2015 14:40 (2 months ago) Permalink

I'm sure having the moral high ground feels great when you and your family are getting killed by the swat team

polyphonic, Saturday, 28 November 2015 19:42 (2 months ago) Permalink

You couldn't ask for a better name for a Gamergate site than Reaxxion.

jmm, Saturday, 28 November 2015 19:48 (2 months ago) Permalink

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/25/best-boycott-ever-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3-more-popular-than-ever/

An import site has been hyping the non-western release of a Japanese game not planned for US release as evidence of SJW censorship.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 28 November 2015 20:39 (2 months ago) Permalink

Play-Asia.com @playasia
#DOAX3 will not be coming to the US due to #SJW nonsense. However, we will have the English Asia version available: http://par.bz/87f
9:34 PM - 24 Nov 2015

https://twitter.com/playasia/status/669498158573981697/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 28 November 2015 20:39 (2 months ago) Permalink

Of course there are no such boycotts and this is the first anyone has even thought of this game. Funny that we now have Spite Marketing.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 28 November 2015 20:44 (2 months ago) Permalink

today I learned that a "boob slider" is a thing

the fiest p (onimo), Sunday, 29 November 2015 18:02 (2 months ago) Permalink

least legal white castle promotion ever

Eugene Goostman (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 29 November 2015 21:48 (2 months ago) Permalink

not gonna click on beetbort today but i am assuming he is using the charlie sheen version of "winning"

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 20:08 (2 months ago) Permalink

I didn't read the article either tbh

polyphonic, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 20:12 (2 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

huh - interesting

Nhex, Thursday, 7 January 2016 21:39 (1 month ago) Permalink

She makes a good point! it's only good business that she gets pilloried.

Copy rights, pleasing all star wars fans, hiring professionals. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 January 2016 22:03 (1 month ago) Permalink

definitely. such a weird situation. i sort of knew about the whole internet MRA personality industry, but didn't connect the dots the way she does there.

Nhex, Thursday, 7 January 2016 22:31 (1 month ago) Permalink

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 19:08 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i love how she tried using the camera to look at dudes butts and it wouldn't let her

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 19:09 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

"STRATEGIC BUTT COVERINGS"
i never stop being astonished that sarkeesian has made her bones on the most astonishingly obvious points
i also never stop being astonished that people think there's any reasonable way to argue her astonishingly obvious points
it is a mystery

from the perspective of a gay man, i will post them now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 19:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

otm this is something that has always puzzled me as well. i initially thought her first vid was a bust BC it seemed too thin but from the backlash against her it would seem she is something of a revolutionary thinker for bothering to state facts in evidence

art, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 19:53 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

look at all these examples of blatant sexism in popular media
*shows examples of blatant sexism but doesn't leave comments on*
truth in journalism gnash gnash gonna SWAT you i am so easily shook

from the perspective of a gay man, i will post them now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 20:10 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

maybe she should start cursing constantly and screaming in her videos, that seems to make them better

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 21:02 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I thought the entire point behind what Sarkeesian was doing WAS that it was all super-obvious low-hanging fruit that is taken as the baseline mainstream threshold of gaming and shouldn't be.

its subtle brume (DJP), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 21:06 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

It is! But it's been basically the same video/backlash cycle now for over a year and it's shocking that the same shibboleths still get a rise out of the trolls.

from the perspective of a gay man, i will post them now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 21:52 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah you would think these kids had a better grasp of basic feminist theory

No stage school training, natural talent and attitude by the shed (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 21:56 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

99% of the time it's just basic common sense

from the perspective of a gay man, i will post them now (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 22:14 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

common sense needs to be pointed out too

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 22:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

society is in

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 22:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

difficult to get a man to understand something when his sociopathic power fantasies depend on his not understanding it iirc

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 22:32 (2 weeks ago) Permalink


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