please help a PES newb

Defence-

just run, not using any button, just the dpad. try to get between the player and the ball, most other things are a free kick. the 'x' button is handy if you need to beef this up just a little.

when the ball's in the air, tap the dpad towards it a few times, then hold the dpad towards it. it seems to get you ahead of the guy you're marking.

tackle hard and early in midfield/up front. tackle easy and as late as possible in defence.

Attack-

if you need an accurate pass, know what your player's best foot is. and point him towards the target. don't hold down any of the shoulder buttons.

in general, short, sharp x-button passes from side to side have a bette effect than long ball or bombing dow the wing. i find bringing a side back up as far as you can, then picking the best pass (either to the wing or back to CM, depending on who you're playing) opens up a lot of options.

In general (and I'm talking about 2008 here) i've found that the run button and shoulders buttons are more of a hindrance than help. i only run now when i've got about ten yards ahead of me, otherwise you run the risk of losing control.

shooting is a good option, long range shots seem much easier than close finishes for some reason. again, take note of the players best foot, and try to face the goal where possible (Konami don't seem to believe you can get a shot on target without facing the goal). keep the power down, you should get results.

I had a lot of trouble with the new version at first, but once you get used to the tweaks it's superb.

ok, thanks! on replays i see the computer doing all sorts of fancy things and i get jealous.. i'd love to do more "give and go" type stuff, i'd love to be a little sharper on the dribble..

If you hold L1 when you pass, the passing player will make a run into space straight afterwards. Mostly good for full-back overlaps on the wing.

Holding R2 when changing direction during a dribble slows you down momentarily and makes it easier to keep close control.

If you press "X" and a direction when the shot meter's charging on screen the guy will feint and shift in the direction you pressed. This is good for a) getting a bit of space on the edge of a crowded penalty area and b) getting keepers sent off if you're one on one with them.

If you're sick of crossing, try cutting inside onto your other foot. Ie if you were shooting left to right, running down the left wing parallel to the penalty area and a defender was keeping up with you, you'd press down. A lot of the time this confuses the defender and you end up with space further into the area to make a short pass or shoot.

holding down L1 can give you better close control, but TBH the best way to get sharp at this game is to go through the pain of the master league with the crappy players they give you to start with.

you really get the hang of making space, picking passes and not giving the ball away cheaply. everything pretty much goes from there, especially when you manage to get a few decent players in the squad.

is there any way to get replays on the net easily? i need to show off some goals, and this thread could be the opening i need.

thanks for all the advice guyz! yeah my main tactic seems to be long crosses and headers, which is pretty iffy

L1 when passing sounds like exactly the kind of thing i'd like to be doing, get a little motion going on, a little teamwork

i play 2 player, so that kind of move isn't normally an option for me- you lose control of the player you had.

i'd love to be able to consistently get long crosses/headers to work, mind you.

I think the new PES on the Wii looks potentially amazing.

yeh, the controls (apart from shake nunchuck to shoot WTF) look like they have actually been thought through for once

out today for the wii and continues to look amazing, esp the footage of set pieces here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEFOez4deXc&feature=related

hmm... I wasn't even thinking about the wii version, but that does look interesting (in a new, confusing but challenging way). I wish the wii had demos! I just may pick this is. It kind of looks like they stuck a little rts into a sports game (looks like it would play even better with mouse and keyboard?).

Is there online play (that actually works)?
Is it in 480p widescreen?

I picked up the wii version - didn't have time to play a lot, but I really REALLY liked the controls. The game looks okay when you're on the pitch, but the cut scenes and celebrations really look like ass. Why hasn't microsoft or sony released a copy of the wii controls for their machines? Then for games like this you could have the option of whatever control scheme you want to try out, plus nice HD graphics & a decent online service...

Played this some more over the weekend. Passing is a joy with the wii controls - really works beautifully. Still haven't tried online

Why hasn't microsoft or sony released a copy of the wii controls for their machines?

PROPHECY

I know - I hope those rumors pan out!

does anyone have experience using the "patch" files for this? do they work? is it hard? i'd love to get all the real american players in my versh of PES2010

If you're sick of crossing, try cutting inside onto your other foot. Ie if you were shooting left to right, running down the left wing parallel to the penalty area and a defender was keeping up with you, you'd press down. A lot of the time this confuses the defender and you end up with space further into the area to make a short pass or shoot.

i.e. "the Robben"

ie 'why the fuck has nobody shown aaron lennon this', actually.

ps sorry still playing this on PS2 for another couple weeks at least, so no help to you on the patches

Tracer - which version of PES do you have? It's easy on PS3/PC, not so easy on 360... this thread has instructions...
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=73534

info and links...
http://www.pesgaming.com/forumdisplay.php?f=298

make sure the option file is updated to work with the latest Konami updates.

ok nice, thank you!

btw i tried the whole "run toward the center at a right angle to the touchline" with my winger and it's fucking magic

another huge, huge tip on defense: when you really need to close somebody down, HIT SQUARE. this will double or triple-team the guy with the ball. it's almost like cheating when done right. if done wrong you expose yourself hugely, of course.

i am a bit upset that most of my goals appear, with the benefit of replay, to be due less to me unbridled genius and more to do with woeful defensive lapses by the computer. i really hate to but i might have to switch up to "pro" even though i know i will get housed and everything will stop being enjoyable and i'll go back to regular and just whip crosses in again and again.

Okay I haven't really played, or been interested in, footy computer games for years. But I read this line from the new PES 2017 game:

Adaptive AI – For the first time in a football game, the AI will learn how you play and adapt accordingly

Have footy games really never bothered to even evolve to this level until now ?!