Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

cameron . . . dare

adversity . . . fuel

Cameron Dare looks weirdly like a young Michael Gove.

Maybe it's just the glasses and his overly pleased with himself expression.

http://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2h36ue/another_poorlyresearched_hitpiece_from_the_boston/cldrqeu

hate linking to reddit but this is a good read. basically a boston globe writer wrote a piece on gg, a thread was started calling it a poorly researched hit-piece, author stopped by the thread and annihilated them.

― Clay, Sunday, October 19, 2014 11:52 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

great read. as always - stunning how ANYthing posted about this generates seemingly hundreds of responses working over the same talking points (or tortured deformations of them to fit the present situation). It must seriously be all these guys do all day.

I feel like this thread is written in another language. like these tweets are just baffling, out of whatever context twitter can give.

but I gather this whole thing is really just misogyny? i.e. keep representing women in games as they have been represented heretofore? is there some extra dimension "worth" mulling over besides that?

Not really, just a many-layered, kaleidoscopic window into the thread question. Maybe an interesting microphenomenon of the lengths people who think of themselves as the good guys will go to tr and argue/explain away everything bad about what they're engaged in.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0WVUpcCEAAhrga.png:large
"your company is being boycotted because of thisssssssss" http://statici.behindthevoiceactors.com/behindthevoiceactors/_img/chars/char_2244.jpg

I am sorry for humanity that I conversed with a #gg person on twitter, sorry everyone

You guys refuse to appoint a leader or write up a platform or really do any of the things real-life, adult “movements” do.

I feel like this is a big problem with communications between the two sides here. On the anti-GamerGate side, there have been a bunch of good published pieces that represent, and hence standardize, the basic anti-GG arguments. Sarkeesian's videos have this quality too, that they authoritatively represent the set of arguments that need to be rebutted in order to shift the burden of argument back onto the feminist critique. That takes effort and organization. Can anyone point to any kind of article or published piece which represents pro-GamerGate arguments at their best? It's hard to demand engagement if there isn't an authoritative thing to be engaged with.

also do these people think really think EA is going to stop making War Game 169 : Drones R Us or whatever because Kotaku praises Depression Quest?

I realize this is all probably all obvious inside the rabbit hole but

maybe! I seriously believe that half the people who were up in arms about Depression Quest really just can't stand the idea of such a thing being in their public sphere.

yeah, & "public sphere" seems the right way to put it, since it seems like what they're "really" upset about is that gaming journalism will pay attention to anything but their favored violent games...even though their preferred games get the bulk of coverage (not to mention, obvious, vg sales). it's like complaining that SI occasionally has articles on swimming.

Yeah, there is (as the Singal reddit mentions) an enormous infestation of MRA culture wars in this - SJWs are invading from outside to corrupt your culture, they care not for it except as a bauble.

I realised I had given up on an amicable resolution when I started hearing all GG posts as read by Lemongrab.

I thought the deadspin (I think) article had an interesting take on this: gamers who perceived DQ as not much of a game by technical standards, perceived the coverage it did get as a sign that click-hungry journalists reported on it because they thought it would get clicks, not because it was any good. Therefore the fear is that the industry will be taken over by meme-ready, inferior games. That's fine, but (a) the response seems uh a LITTLE disproportionate, (b) since when do magazines run things they DON'T expect clicks on, (c) there's no shortage of content-free reporting anyway, see also that ''eight photos of this Kratos bust'' piece from upthread, and (d) given context and how it takes less than four seconds for any of these people to blurt out ''SJW!!'' it seems like the problem isn't so much 'sites pursue appealing story about lame game'' as ''lame game gets attention, clearly it's because she's a GIRL and the sites are riddled with FEMINISTS'' so the whole thing collapses fast.

It's amazing in these threads how the desire to fight ''feminists'' and ''SJWs'' gets brought up as a *defense*, like these clowns really think that makes them get taken *more* seriously rather than making them sound like Dittoheads. It's again, this striking disconnect with how things sound to anybody outside the bubble, this unfamiliarity with any discourse besides game scores, snarky YouTube narration, and deathmatch trash-talk.

xp feminism is UNACCEPTABBBBBLE

A thing: reading some twitter-threads and whatever-chan forums, I think it has to be said that a lot of people aren't from America. The mlk-guy was from the Phillipines, and I'd guess a lot are from Phillipines or South Korea. So really, it's not entirely true that they are all white males. Some of them are males from former authoritarian regimes, who are obviously nostalgic for back in the day.

''All this harassment of women and creation of a threatening and unwelcome environment for non-white, non-male, non-straight people is really sketchy.''
''Oh, the harassers don't represent me. They're a lunatic fringe; to me, GamerGate is nothing more than a righteous crusade to eliminate the pernicious feminists and social justice warriors who are - and you may not be aware of this - infiltrating everything and willing to destroy gaming in order to get attention for themselves. You should watch my vlog series for details! By the way though, the harassers do have at least one good point: why SHOULD we sympathize with a woman who we KNOW cheated on someone, causing his mental breakdown AND doxxed herself because she is not a real gamer??? and yet GG supporters are censored for their beliefs and called MISOGYNISTS when none of us have ever generalized about anybody, but the MSM won't report on it when anti-GG people do it! That's the very DEFINITION of a conspiracy! But please don't respond until you've read these eight links.''

Has this reached stasis now? Those kotakuinaction sorts seem bubble-bound & in tactical disarray.

Also, have they set up their own uncorrupt, actually objective game-review site? Because if I were in their world of blind idiocy that would seem a sensible thing to do (but then I suppose the SJW cartel would conspire to crush it)

(been following from afar, thanks to all in this thread for links & posts)

lol that was what I was wondering yesterday. instead of donating to charity to show they're not assholes or w/e, how come there's no fund for creating a new, independent games journalism site or some sort of counter-fund for game titles they think are being ignored?

I mean, they're mostly defending A-list titles with budgets in the tens if not hundreds of millions, though...

lol SJW cartel

xp won't someone please think of the Electronic Arts Corporation???

#pray4EA

it's large multinational corporations that are the real victims in all this, happy now SJWs???

EA is actually very progressive as a corporation, they were well out in front of supporting gay marriage

and they've also allowed BioWare's Manveer Heir to be one of the most vocal, public advocates for social justice and minority representation in the entire industry

I called out EA because they make a war game that is a big deal, which matters a lot more than their having a vocal public advocate for social justice

oh ok i'll let him know

yeah I know

but "the problem" with gaming isn't going to be helped if you can play a woman piloting a drone attack

that probably depends on your def of the problem with gaming

I took it that this whole deal is about men wanting to make sure hyper masculine games stay at the top of the gaming heap

and they've also allowed BioWare's Manveer Heir to be one of the most vocal, public advocates for social justice and minority representation in the entire industry

sounds like EA might be the enemy, sjw advocacy!

i dunno there will always be war games imo, just like there will always be war movies, war in sort of inherently interesting to ppl always has been

the whole weird thing to me in this all is that nothing has to go away for something else to exist! that's the dumb part! there's totally a place for battlefield to be fun and for depression quest and gone home and candy crush saga and THREES! and all sorts of games, lots of times the same person might want to play any one of those at different times depending on their mood!

it's not some weird zero sum deathmatch

this mentality seems to be very prevalent in the #GG community, that somehow these small indie games will or even intend to destroy the "mainstream" industry, i think

here's some developer picking their best games of the generation, look at the picks of the 3 ppl from Fullbright Company who developed Gone Home,

http://media1.gameinformer.com/filestorage/CommunityServer.Components.SiteFiles/imagefeed/featured/features/endofanera/EndOfAnEra-DevTop5-pg2.jpg

man the gamergate idiots must REALLY hate the dialog in borderlands: the presequel. in the first 6-7 levels a character apologizes for his misogynist use of the term "friendzone" in a hilarious way.

then again, they probably mentally box it intomaking fun of the idea of misogyny. because they're super stupid.

I am pretty sure I saw that cited, a+ work on the part of the Borderlands people for trolling :D

I'm actually curious if they added that in the first day patch, since the timing is so good.

oh lol, they are all over the place being ultra butthurt, it's awesome

I hope some of these fucks start going to jail tbh.

those gone home dev lists are cool! but none of them list the FPS games that are huge on multiplayer wherein kill ratios and the like the dominate. & I think GG discussion centers on keeping *those games* at the center of gaming discourse. like far cry 2 is a shooter but the weakness of your character is a long way from the hyper masculine nonsense of COD etc

i hope all video games become as boring as depression quest so gamers are forced to find something else to do

most of these guys probably hate COD for being too "mainstream" and not for "real gamers"

i think you're kind of projecting your own dislike of competitive FPS onto these guys

like bayonetta 2 is def the cause de jour right now since polygon panned it for sexism

but JPRG fans, wooof, man they will write the most vile shit to women believe me!

#GG ppl, at least the root ppl are way too "real gamer" to be huge battlefiend and CoD fans

ok yeah I'm out of my depth here for sure, I really only play mobile games anymore

omg

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/783734-borderlands-the-pre-sequel/70323057

cld def see bad publicity resulting in some of the more grotesque violent/misogynistic aspects of games being curbed, like a company might think twice before releasing a game where you can patronize a prostitute then steal the money back and kill her if other games received media blowback for similar things, and that would exactly represent an impingement on gamergates vision of artistic freedom

xp

you'd think they could have folded that into the 50-page thread

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/916373-pc/70325026

I played Tokyo Jungle all weekend, that was fun. Rolling thru post-human Shibuya with a crew of like 5 beagles

tbf there are some good comments in that gamefaqs thread

>I hope some of these fucks start going to jail tbh.

i'm wondering this – what happened with the death threats? this lot doesn't strike me as being smart enough to cover their tracks.

An amusing side-effect is that somebody come up with a Chrome extension that replaces every instance of SJW with skeleton

>I hope some of these fucks start going to jail tbh.

i'm wondering this – what happened with the death threats? this lot doesn't strike me as being smart enough to cover their tracks.

Presumably those targeted are not saying much under the advice of counsel/law enforcement. Online death threats are a good way to get the FBI knocking at your door though.

yeah really not smart