where is the love for nineteen year old blonde girls? adrian tomine's optic nerve: c o' d?

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i sez 'classick' and in particular like the latest arc - more than emo ramifications i think! what's yr take? which optic nerve story do you like best? which least? why why why? do you wish he was still doing those tiny story sketches? his chicks are hot no? how many bay area refs am i missing out on? o, and WHY IN GOD'S NAME DOES IT TAKE HIM SO LONG TO PUT ONE OUT WTF DOODER????

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link

o for fucks sake - mod plz to correct my spelling in thread title maybe

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, has anyone read a zine called "Adrian Tomine is 15% Overrated"? There was a mini=review of it in Punk Planet. I think it's by the guy who did Mona Lisa Ludatits.

haggardbore retriever, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I've read Summer Blonde, the mini-comics collection, and the new arc. I do like him a lot but keep feeling like I'm still working him out.

Why do you think the new arc transcends emo, Blount? The lead character is intriguing in his douchebaggery, yes, but hasn't AT always done stories based around largely unsympathetic characters? Is that emo or not?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 22:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Should I read them in order?

Obsessing over continuity. (Leee), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm trying to remember if there's any continuity to the Optic Nerves. Seems like this current three issue arc (# 9 - 11) are the first. Everything else is either multiple stories in a single issue or a single story/issue. If you go to the D&Q website, search under Artists, Catalog, you'll read synopses of every issue.

Not sure with frames if this'll work, but here's the direct page.

scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

And props to Scrapbook for collecting the little subscription cartoons he did for Tower Records' late Pulse magazine. The "Well, I came to FIGHT!" cartoon hit close to home.

scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 00:07 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm gonna sound so full of shit but i think the new one extends to something specific about the (and here's where i shoot myself in the foot) asian-american experience that's a bit broader net than general 'dude's hard up' or even 'happy person finds unhappy person's constant unhappiness annoying' or 'unhappy person finds happy person's constant happiness annoying' (and i think his previous stuff is a bit more complicated than that but still there's definitely enough of that to prompt the roffle letters), i'm someone who generally sympathises with officially unsympathetic characters (larry david, the protagonists in the rules of attraction), which i guess means i'm an asshole (haha "i guess") but even this dude comes off as a complete douchebag to me. what interests me is that the comic seems to be about 'why is he a douchebag' *cue 'gee, officer krupke'*, i think there's so few stories in pop culture about the asian-american experience (again, i really really wish i could think of another phrase right now), that a story that's not merely featuring asian-americans (which is fresh enough still) but actually deals with how racism can warp a member of 'the model minority'. dude's joe christmas!

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 00:18 (eighteen years ago) link

i think this is the first multi-issue arc right? anyhow i'd definitely recommend checking out summer blonde (good chance yr library has it), i like 'hawaiian getaway' in particular.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link

To piggyback Blount's OTM-ness, EVERYONE in this arc is a fucking douchebag - the sad-sack protagonist, his hot-to-trot lesbian friend, the "I don't kiss because of germs" chick, the "I'm bi, and not dating anyone OH SHIT WAIT I AM SUCKA" girl. It's really good, but GOD it's like Larry Clark directed an episode of The O.C.. &, yeah, I'm partial to the short story sketches. I'll have to dive into my stacks & reacquaint myself w/ his stuff.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

1) i like the lesbian friend
2) to be honest i like the second blonde too, i think she breaks up with douchebag protag for reasons that have nothing to do with 'um, there's someone else' (that's basically just lubricant, a get-out-of-jail free card here); she almost says outloud why she breaks up with him but i think it would've been so anvilicious 'do you see???' that tomine avoided it, in this case not being completely honest with the guy = being pretty fucking charitable. if dude's wondering when he blew his shot at a whitegirl it's when she drops by and instead of going 'great, let's go get some tacos' or something his first thought is 'TITTAYS LEMME AT EM'.
3) a larry clark directed oc would rule so hard (and i do mean HARD wakka wakka).

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 02:15 (eighteen years ago) link

i think optic nerve kinda sucks. i liked it when i was sixteen, and had a few of the issues (even then it wasn't a favorite.) Now it's just cringey smiley.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 02:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha - yeah, you're right re: #2. Sorta forgot about the Taco Boob incident.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 03:07 (eighteen years ago) link

i think this is the first multi-issue arc right?

Yes, these past two and the unpublished finale will be bound and published by D&Q... eventually.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

what interests me is that the comic seems to be about 'why is he a douchebag'

Definitely. I think the third issue is gonna decide what I think about the whole arc, I just hope it comes in under two years.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link

the last one i bought was #9. what is it up to now?

kephm (kephm), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link

#10.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I like this arc, but I really liked #8 and its pretty spot-on evocation of 1991: fashion, etc.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to buy it religiously, but I just cannot stand that long of a wait between issues. A year? For one issue?

So I spite myself by waiting for the collections, which, at this rate, will be every 4 years or so. Great.

Obviously classic, though. Even though its too emo for me and can be cringey and obvious, it feels real and well-observed and deeply felt. And yeah, can be very funny. Plus I always like his art. Not so much that I understand why it takes him a year to do one issue, but still...

David N (David N.), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Optic Nerve and This American Life strike me as addressing the same audience, plus or minus 10 years.

maybe it's some sorta "Quimby's" connection...

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/images/covers/radio.jpg

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Yup, that fits it perfectly.

Artbabe and audibly inhaling into the mic.

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to buy it religiously, but I just cannot stand that long of a wait between issues. A year? For one issue?

Not his fault as his work is completed... he's published at D&Q's whimsy.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 15 December 2005 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

He's also been taking on more freelance illustration assignments, put together that sketchbook, etc.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 December 2005 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah he's got crazy dayjobs (understandably - dude can definitely draw). gygax is that true about d&q whimsy? (whimsy? at d&q? why i never!).

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know, in the intro to #9 he apologies and relates an ancedote about his editor telling him how "fucking pathetic" it is to take two-years between issues of a 32 page comic book.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 December 2005 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

DUD

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

HI JESS

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

He used to live just a few blocks from me. I saw him eating breakfast (with Dan Clowes and some other guy!) in Sconehenge Bakery on Shattuck.

[jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I would read him but I can't afford comics anymore.

[jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i've read a of the few stories in "summer blonde," and they always seem so DIRE, like "ghost world" with more self-pity and fewer laughs. i'm not that big on his artwork either.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 15 December 2005 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know, in the intro to #9 he apologies and relates an ancedote about his editor telling him how "fucking pathetic" it is to take two-years between issues of a 32 page comic book.

And in the intro to #10 he describes the story as still being a work in progress, gygax OffTM.

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 15 December 2005 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

[Warning: n@medr0pp1ng ahead, goddamn you fuckers are so persistent!]

Mr. T0min3 and I chatted a couple weeks ago when he was in town for the holidays and this very subject came up and this is how he put it to me (allow me to paraphrase): the series is done, he's waiting patiently for D&Q to finesse him into their release schedule.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 16 December 2005 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Someone's getting played.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 16 December 2005 00:38 (eighteen years ago) link

gygax i'm not sure how effective google proofing his name is gonna be on a thread with his name in the title! anyhow someone i kn0w who al5o know5 t0m1n3 told me something very similar to the above so it sounds likely.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 16 December 2005 10:38 (eighteen years ago) link

JD OTM, but T0min3 is also boring in addition to dire and humorless.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Friday, 16 December 2005 13:56 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Talk about Optic Nerve #s 9-11 being collected in a graphic novel for Fall 2007. So figure issue # 11 being released when, Fall 2006? Sigh. Optic Never?

Anyone bought the New York Sketchbook? Thumbs up?

scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Finally got around to reading Shortcomings. It was a great book, but man the relentless bitterness and aggravating main character made it a little tough to get through, he was so unsympathetic (though quite believable). Still, I'm glad it exists, there were a ton of painfully awkward, insightful moments in there - there really aren't that many Asian-American stories around, let alone with this stark tone and being so frank about sexuality and race. And as always, Tomine's art was really good.

Loved that it started off with that bit about the Asian-American film festivals and the incredibly sappy movie about the girl realizing her stolid father was actually a great guy after all - ridiculously otm. Ben comes off as a jerk for criticizing it, but it's true, there is just a ton of crap like that at these AAFFs, this is the shit that gets made. (Even in the comics world - I really like Derek Kirk Kim and Gene Yang's stuff, too, but...) Wish there were a few more laughs in the book (like the "Tai Chi" moment) but what can you do.

Are Optic Nerve issues still coming out? Has he been doing anything besides illustrations since these stories were made?

Nhex, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:54 (fourteen years ago) link

he had a story in kramers ergot 7 that was pretty good. also, i saw him give a talk promoting the new edition of 32 stories that came out last year, although there's not really too much new stuff there.

i like shortcomings alot, although i'm glad i read it before i learned that he's THE ONE to hate on comics message boards.

a bold plan drawn up by assholes to screw morons (ytth), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 04:09 (fourteen years ago) link

is that so? haha, i wonder why that is

Nhex, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 05:02 (fourteen years ago) link

i saw him give a talk promoting the new edition of 32 stories that came out last year, although there's not really too much new stuff there.

surely there'd be exactly NO new stuff in a facsimile edition of something that came out over 15 years ago?

it's all abt groups, like i was saying in the jerk thread a few days ago (sic), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 07:21 (fourteen years ago) link

well by "not really too much," i'm including the introduction, which is new. not comics, but still "stuff" i guess. (also, there's chris oliveros's letter rejecting his first submission to D&Q, which is kinda funny.)

a bold plan drawn up by assholes to screw morons (ytth), Thursday, 15 April 2010 01:04 (fourteen years ago) link

are those on separate single pages? the thing was meant to be a box of indivdual reprints of #1-7 of the minis, right? (those sound great, though!)

it's all abt groups, like i was saying in the jerk thread a few days ago (sic), Thursday, 15 April 2010 01:56 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, it's the minis, plus a pamphlet with the original intro, the new intro, and the oliveros letter. it's a pretty attractive production, actually... i didn't have the original book, so i was happy to get it.

a bold plan drawn up by assholes to screw morons (ytth), Thursday, 15 April 2010 04:57 (fourteen years ago) link

i like tomine as a draftsman

forksclovetofu, Thursday, 15 April 2010 14:26 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't like tomine period.

ian, Friday, 16 April 2010 04:22 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, wish D&Q had kept on sending him rejection letters

Ward Fowler, Friday, 16 April 2010 12:18 (fourteen years ago) link

three years pass...

What would be a good starting point for Tomine?

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 20 April 2013 13:48 (eleven years ago) link

I started with Sleepwalk

Nhex, Saturday, 20 April 2013 15:24 (eleven years ago) link

recently brought up in the racism thread, a classic
http://i.imgur.com/Tf2Coii.jpg

Nhex, Sunday, 21 April 2013 02:08 (eleven years ago) link

optic nerve u can download the whole thing onto your laptop & read it each morning

flopson, Sunday, 21 April 2013 06:37 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, wish D&Q had kept on sending him rejection letters

Me too. Then I would never have wasted my time reading any of his work.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 16:29 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

wow, Translated, from the Japanese

schlump, Sunday, 23 November 2014 07:24 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

so do I have this right?: his new book will have both stories from Optic Nerve #12 (one of which was from Kramer's 7), one of the three stories from #13, and (mostly?) a new story?

bob seger's silver bullet gland (sic), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 05:38 (nine years ago) link

OK seems from this NYer interview that a new Optic Nerve will be out before the collection, with the title story (and others?) in it

told him at SPX in 2013 how much I loved the redesign with #12, that it felt like being rewarded for caring about comic books and printing quality and design -- he was pleased and said that for him, the comic book is still the real proper format of the work

bob seger's silver bullet gland (sic), Friday, 23 January 2015 01:46 (nine years ago) link


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