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The upcoming episodes of JLU look interesting as well. More Amanda Waller, the Suicide Squad, and Superman going all-out on Cadmus when "A Leaguer Falls!" (It's never a good idea to wear a Flash costume in these things)

carson dial (carson dial), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Damn, I'm going to have to check Teen Titans out.

And yeah, I definitely can't fault them for the anime thing, if I were the target audience I'd probably love it. It's not the kind of anime I grew up with, so it's just distracting.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, there is a Freaky Trigger Gloria specially made for you lovely people...
http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/see/2005_03_01_dys_archive.html#111165831342004616

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 24 March 2005 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Its funny that DC do Cartoons so much better than Marvel. The Spiderman series that ran around the same time as Batman was terrible by comparison.

Somebody at Marvel should get in touch with the guy who created Samurai Jack and does Clone Wars - Tartakovsky (something like that). Give him free rein. A Fantastic Four cartoon, done right, that would be worth watching. Oh no, wait, I saw that - it was called the Incredibles.

I would love it if somebody would let Bruce Timm make his version of Conan. The sketches alone are beautiful...

David N (David N.), Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

The old X-Men animated series was great, though (for the theme song alone!).

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Good old Gennedy! I'd love to see him do a Power Pack cartoon, actually.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I've got my fingers crossed for a Green Arrow solo series spinning out of JLU. The first episode he was in was AWESOME, when he meets Captain Atom, "Didn't I march against you in college?"

Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Did he point THE FINGER?

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

YOU BET!

Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

The episode opens with GA taking down a gaggle of armed thugs knocking over a grocery store (see, he's The People's Hero), and then Batman shows up and invites him to join the League.
"I don't know, I'm The People's Hero...you guys hang out in space."
But he goes up to the sattelite anyway, and winds up battling a North Korea-analog's rogue nuclear program (embodied in Brimstone!) with Supergirl and Captain Atom (and John Stewart, a little bit).
At the end, he comes out of the Justice League steamroom and Batman confronts him about staying on with the League.
"I don't know, I'm The People's Hero."
And then he sees Black Canary adjusting her fishnets and says, "I didn't realize you had poon on this space heap! Forget The People!"

two seconds to THE FINGER!:
http://www.jlanimated.com/editorials/jlu/arrow2.jpg

Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha I saw that one! It was awesome!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 March 2005 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Man, I gotta put Cartoon Network on more.

Green Arrow is ALWAYS saving grocery stores. And convenience stores. It's like Spidey with bank robberies.

What's his voice like? Cause the beard implies that he sounds like Dr Quest.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

His voice actually struck me as sorta weird, not terribly macho, but not effete in anyway. It was a friendly uncle sort of voice. Not in a creepy way either.

I don't know what Dr. Quest sounds like.

Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Johnny Quest's pop!

You'd recognize it if you heard it, most likely. The actor did a lot of other voice work. (I'm looking him up now.) (Holy crap Johnny Quest was played by Tim Matheson.)

Hm, he -- Don Messick -- is one of those voice actors who sounds different in a lot of roles (he played both Boo Boo and the Ranger on Yogi Bear, for instance ... and Scooby Doo, Atom Ant, half the Smurfs, and Muttley!) -- but the Ranger voice is pretty close to Dr Quest. So's Papa Smurf, come to think of it. Except Green Arrow would not sound like Papa Smurf.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Gargamel ... you CHEAP PUNK!

*smurffinger*

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.hcru.org/Images/Papa-Smurf.gif

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm dying here!

Anyway, cast list for guest voices on JL/JLU:
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0275137/guests

Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I would love it if the people responsible for the Teen Titans cartoon took on The New Mutants.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 March 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Scotty Baldwin is Green Arrow!!

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Rene Auberjonois= Kanjar-Ro (voice)
Robert Englund= Felix Faust (voice)
Eric Roberts= Mongul (voice)
Powers Boothe= Grodd (voice)
Mark Hamill= Solomon Grundy (voice)/Joker
Olivia d'Abo= Star Sapphire (voice)

"Legends: Part 1" Episode: #1.16 - 21 April 2002:

Corey Burton= Dr. Blizzard (voice)

Jennifer Hale= Black Siren (voice)

Neil Patrick Harris= Ray Thompson (voice)

Jeffrey Jones= Sir Swami (voice)

William Katt= Green Guardsman (voice)

Udo Kier= The Music Master (voice)

Ted McGinley= Tom Turbine (voice)

Michael McKean= The Sportsman (voice)

David Naughton= The Streak (voice)

Stephen Root= Cat Man (voice)

Tom Sizemore= Metamorpho (voice)
Patrick Duffy= Steve Trevor (voice)
Michael Ironside= Darkseid (voice)
Ron Perlman= Orion (voice)/Clayface II
Rob Zombie= Ichthulhu (voice)
Efrem Zimbalist Jr.= Alfred Pennyworth (voice)
Brad Garrett= Lobo (voice)
Kin Shriner= Green Arrow (voice)
Edward Asner= Hephaestus (voice)/Granny Goodness
Jason Hervey= Dove I/Don Hall (voice)*
Fred Savage= Hawk I/Hank Hall (voice)*
Wonder Years Powers...ACTIVATE!
Jeremy Piven= The Elongated Man (voice)
Tim Matheson= Max Lord (voice)
Dennis Farina= Wildcat I/Ted Grant (voice)


Sorry about that.

Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

And Black Canary has a VERY sexy voice: http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1072555/

Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I seem to remember Mr Perry losing his shit over Ed Asner playing Granny Goodness.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Some of those would be ideal live-action choices too.

Huk-L, Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link

And Black Canary has a VERY sexy voice

Oh shit that's Inara from Firefly (and according to Tep, possibly Joss's Wonder Woman)! Yeah, she's great.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Joss has made a few comments implying he thinks she'd be good in the role, but I don't know how to take them. If the studio wants to go with a virtual unknown like with Superman, that's one thing; presumably he'd want to see how she handles fight scenes, though (I don't remember her really having any in Firefly).

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude, she was a hooker, of course she can handle herself in a fight.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 24 March 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Ron Perlman= Orion

My eyes went very big and round when I read this.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 24 March 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

you snacky hos got me watching teen titans now.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

it's angsty as hell.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:39 (nineteen years ago) link

The awesome thing about the Teen Titans show is how the super-KAWAII animation style is at direct odds with the achingly earnest "LIFE SUCKS" doom-and-gloom of certain story arcs; I also like the way that pathos and complete surreal farce can co-exist with each other.

(Full potentially credibility-shredding disclosure: I've also started watching Kids Next Door because Lauren Tom and Cree Summer do voices on it and it's often ridiculously funny. There was a recent episode involving a training bra that was absolutely hysterical.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:46 (nineteen years ago) link

cree summers!!!

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:47 (nineteen years ago) link

hey in this raven unleashes some dragon that was trapped in a book cuz he fools her with some sweet talk episode - this is a 'metaphor' for her losing her virginity right?

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 24 March 2005 23:56 (nineteen years ago) link

... snacky hos!

Teen Titans is on tonight at 10 EST, if anyone -- like me -- was wondering, so they could check it out. Not sure when JLU is on, but Demonoid (thank you Andrew!) has seasons 1 and 2, and a few a la carte episodes.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 25 March 2005 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

omg robin as benjamin braddock!!!

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 25 March 2005 03:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Michael Ironside = Darkseid (voice)!

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 25 March 2005 07:39 (nineteen years ago) link

AdamL told me a completely unmentionable story about J3r3my P*v3n -- it may be somewhere on ILX, actually -- but suffice to say, the fact that he played Elongated Man may be extremely apt.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 25 March 2005 07:46 (nineteen years ago) link

hey in this raven unleashes some dragon that was trapped in a book cuz he fools her with some sweet talk episode - this is a 'metaphor' for her losing her virginity right?

Pretty much; it's also an extended riff on her "even when surrounded by friends, I am alone" schtick.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I could never stand Raven in the comics -- she's the main reason I never read those eras of Titans regularly -- but I love her on the cartoon. What's up with that? I think it's the Daria voice and the contrast to the ubercute anime.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 26 March 2005 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha GOTH LUV!

The Ghost of Didn't You Write A Vampire Book? (Dan Perry), Saturday, 26 March 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Revive!

I got the first box set and it really is great, as good an introduction to what makes Batman great as you could ever have. The way they treat the Joker I think is particuarly laudable - he's clearly shown as comical, not just psychotic (i.e. you can laugh along with most of his antics), but at the same time he's still pretty fucking scary. A great balance between modern grim&gritty Batman and the character's older incarnation.

Some of the episodes - the Clayface two parter, the Mr.Freeze one - are so unberably tragic. The show's obsessive "sometimes things happen that turn you into a MONSTER and believe me, you sure as hell won't be able to escape that" message is really something for a kid's tv show!

I used to ("used to") have the biggest crush on the animated Poison Ivy when I was a kid - Harley Quinn looks very cute when she's in civilian clothes, as well. Didn't they semi-officially lez up in the cartoon's comics? Perv perv.

One guy on the extras defines the show's visual style as "dark deco" - hits the nail on the head, I think. It's all gorgeous, tho just *occasionally* you notice a slight anime influence, it annoys me every time.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 15 July 2005 10:00 (nineteen years ago) link

that clayface two-parter is magnificent... also the first two ras-al-ghul episodes

dave k, Friday, 15 July 2005 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I have been watching this again too (Thanks DVD deep discount) and it's amazing, the details I never noticed as a 12-year-old just really pop out and set the tone of the show. I love the way they use "painted" backgrounds like in 1940s movies, and the way that Batman has computers and gadgets, but everyone else seems to be still in wartime clothing and cars and speech.
I haven't gotten to the Clayface episode yet, I'm watching it tonight. I hate Harley Quinn though and I am not looking forward to her appearance. The Penguin really is a pathetic villian, isn't he?

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember the Clayface episode vividly.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I've just watched the first disc of the Timm Superman series. 'S all right.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 15 July 2005 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

and the way that Batman has computers and gadgets, but everyone else seems to be still in wartime clothing and cars and speech.

Yeah, this is really key, and I'm glad that "Batman Begins" maintained this chronological ambiguity.

I hate Harley Quinn though and I am not looking forward to her appearance.

Oh, she's not *overwhelming* in it, so don't worry. It's a really great episode! The Joker is *really* scary in the first few scenes, and pretty funny after that. Also:

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At the end Batman laughs. Or, well, he seems to *try* to laugh - it comes out all abortion-like. It's crazy, and great.

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The Clayface two-parter is really a highlight of sorts, as is the Christmas Joker episode (which shows that BTAS isn't afraid to go all-out silly when it wants to.) I've a soft spot for "It's Never Too Late", tho - total homage to "Angels With Dirty Faces"!!

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 15 July 2005 16:41 (nineteen years ago) link

The Christmas Joker Story is great.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 15 July 2005 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, it's just so uncharacteristically light-hearted and unapolgetically absurd. And Bruce Wayne being a grinch about "It's A Wonderful Life" is priceless!

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 15 July 2005 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

what happens in the xmas joker story??

dave k, Friday, 15 July 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

SPOILER POST:


Weeeell, it starts with the Joker cheerfully decorating a christmas tree in Arkham while singing that ol' "jingle bells/Batman smells" thing; then next thing you know he's flying off into the air and you realise that the tree is a ROCKET! No explanation is given as to how, why, what, gah?

The whole episode pretty much maintains that vibe of absurdity/awesomeness.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 16 July 2005 09:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Batman: The Animated Series is still the best overall screen treatment of Batman.

latebloomer: lazy r people (latebloomer), Saturday, 16 July 2005 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never seen the whole series, but I pretty much think the cartoon might be the best take on Batman ever. It is a perfect balance in many ways.

earlnash, Saturday, 3 November 2018 12:41 (five years ago) link

The TV show is the best Batman, and Mask of the Phantasm is still the best Batman movie.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 3 November 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link

I've long said (perhaps even itt) that if DC-related material can't meet or exceed the quality of the DCAU, the people involved probably just shouldn't bother.

a butt, at which the shaft of ridicule is daily glanced (Old Lunch), Saturday, 3 November 2018 22:11 (five years ago) link

Still, they persisted

Οὖτις, Sunday, 4 November 2018 18:48 (five years ago) link

Has anyone seen the 2017 animated feature “Batman vs. Two-Face” (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6142314/)? My son has watched it a few times.

It’s pretty bad, but also weird/sad — the voices are performed by Adam West (shortly before his death), Burt Ward, Julie Newmar, William Shatner (as Harvey Dent), etc. So while it’s “cool” that they used the OG actors (plus, uh, Shatner), and got work for those folks, their voices do not exactly match the (young) characters... particularly in the case of West, who sounds unwell and geriatric. So it’s bizarre and somewhat grimly humorous to hear these voices coming from the animated 1966 Batman crew.

(One other odd thing is that Warner apparently doesn’t control the rights to the ’66 Batman theme music, and couldn’t bother clearing it? — so they have use a dumb knockoff of it, like any other fakey production.)

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Sunday, 4 November 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link

Warner had nothing to do with the show, so it's absolutely fine that they don't control the rights to the theme music

Sing The Mighty Beat (sic), Sunday, 4 November 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link

Sure, but it’s odd they would create a new movie set in the 1966 world, and go so far as to cast the OG actors for “authenticity,” yet give it an “off-brand” feel by imitating the theme rather than paying to use it.

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Sunday, 4 November 2018 21:20 (five years ago) link

How much was the fee, and what proportion of the overall budget was that?

Sing The Mighty Beat (sic), Sunday, 4 November 2018 21:49 (five years ago) link

Let me check my records... oh wait, I didn’t work on the production. Why you dragging me on this, LOL?

The theme is one of the most beloved and iconic aspects of the old series... whatever it cost to clear, perhaps it would have been more worth the expense than whatever it cost to hire Bill Shatner (who has nothing to do with the property)? Is his involvement drawing anyone to this thing? Meanwhile, when the knockoff music plays, it just sounds dumb and leaves you thinking, “huh, they cheaped out.”

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Sunday, 4 November 2018 21:57 (five years ago) link

I’m just saying it’s the opposite of “odd”!

Sing The Mighty Beat (sic), Sunday, 4 November 2018 22:08 (five years ago) link

I mean, we’re talking about a direct-to-video feature whose idea of a clever in-joke is a Catholic hospital called “Our Lady of Perpetual Irony,” so maybe I’m expecting too much. But the casting implies the movie will be “going the extra mile,” when it really stalls out at least 14 miles short of Gotham City.

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Sunday, 4 November 2018 22:21 (five years ago) link

I loved and still love B:TAS and the other DCAU series (well, most of the time), but I've never been particularly impressed by any of the animated specials that have come out since then. It's pretty disappointing seeing that on some occasions some of the same people were involved. The execution always seems half-assed.

Duane Barry, Sunday, 4 November 2018 23:20 (five years ago) link

man these blu-ray remasters are gorgeous huh

i want donald duck to scream into my dick (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 10:24 (five years ago) link

Worth buying if I have all the DVD boxes?

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 11:55 (five years ago) link

if you’re a btas stan and you’ve got the cash, definitely - the episodes look extraordinarily crisp and clear

check this handy comparison video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LZJ-HJsWHk

i want donald duck to scream into my dick (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 12:05 (five years ago) link

i'm a sucker for these remasters when they're done well. they even managed to make TNG look beautiful!

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 12:16 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

yooooo Bruce Timm made an animated Sgt Rock short film!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtwZvaLbwnI

And Phantom Stranger too!
https://www.comicsbeat.com/dc-showcase-phantom-stranger-first-look/

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:41 (four years ago) link

four years pass...

Has anyone else been watching The Caped Crusader? I'm loving it so far. A sort of elseworlds 40s golden age spiritual successor to B:TAS. I love how they pick and mix elements throughout the character's history - Harvey Bullock is his fully corrupt pre-Crisis self, for example. And given that the original Animated series bible included plans for the Gentleman Ghost (which never came to fruition) I'm glad Timm finally got to give him his own episode.

I have to admit I don't like this Batman as much as the B:TAS one, even if his coldness is definitely intentional. It makes sense that Rucka and Brubaker are involved, as he actually does feel like the late 90s/00s jerkass Batman.

Duane Barry, Sunday, 4 August 2024 23:35 (two months ago) link

The pilot was fun. Yes, it's nowhere near as good/perfect as B:TAS: the animation is shonkier; Gotham is a bit anonymous-looking; and I'm not really not sure about the weirdly antagonistic relationship between Bruce and Alfred (Bruce calls him "Pennyworth"!!). But - it's very enjoyable - darker without being grimdark - and still a kids' show at heart. Minnie Driver is really well cast (and pleasingly EVIL) as Penguin. The fight scenes are excellent -- you really feel it when someone gets clonked on the head -- it's weirdly fun. All the character remixes are interesting and grounded. I look forward to it getting better in the second season.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 10:29 (two months ago) link

i'm not watching it but i've heard that _those_ guys are complaining about the penguin's look

as always, i find those folks absolutely hilarious. "what if the penguin was marlene dietrich but dummy thicc" makes me feel seen as a lesbian.

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 6 August 2024 13:34 (two months ago) link

You're right about the animation and backgrounds - I hadn't really noticed, maybe because a lot of streaming TV animation often has a flat, stiff look, and I don't go in with high expectations (so if the animation and visuals are good, then that's a bonus).

They seem to be avoiding the tragic villain route they used with some of the B:TAS villains, which is fine by me - that feels a bit overused by now

"Those" guys are complaining about lots of things, as they always do; I'm glad I never got into the Youtuber thing, though I do seem to need constant reminders to avoid reply sections on Twitter posts...

Duane Barry, Tuesday, 6 August 2024 23:51 (two months ago) link

Finished the season, and it's mostly OK. I kept expecting the animation to be done on the cheap but it's surprisingly solid, but the writing is missing some juice. A few episodes have nice, zingy dialogue (the Catwoman one), though. What's patroclus weird is that it has one foot in BTAS references (the voices of Bruce and Alfred being very clearly modeled on their BTAS counterparts) while consciously diverging from old school canon.

Élisabeth Vigée Lebron (Leee), Wednesday, 14 August 2024 20:19 (two months ago) link

It seems like a show for teenagers... from the 90s. All the references to US culture from the 1920s to 1950s - that stuff was still "live" in the culture when I was growing up in the eighties and nineties - b&w movies and old reruns were on the TV all the time. I'm curious what kids watching it today would make of it. There were very few good cartoons for teenagers when I was growing up - now it seems like 90% of new art is for 13-year-olds.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 14 August 2024 21:03 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Overall I really like Caped Crusader so far. Feels like the mix of set design inspiration from the 90s with remixed characters is a good formula. Harleen Q's episode was a high point for me and Onomatopoeia was fun and I loved lady Penguin. While I didn't dislike the episodes, I'm not really a fan of supernatural stuff in Batman so could've done without the classist ghost and vampire girl ones.

Batman turns out to be one of the least interesting characters, though I find that's often the case whatever medium we're in.

Interesting that this and X-Men 97 came out so near each other.

salsa shark, Friday, 30 August 2024 21:07 (two months ago) link

have i linked the italian b:tas theme song here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThxsDFTG06E

the story is that when cartoons came to italy they decided that rather than use the international theme songs they'd write their own theme songs with lyrics and made them all eurodance bangers

sometimes that works - "what is my destiny dragon ball" is in the same league as the japanese theme (that's the original dragonball, not cha-la head-cha-la) - but with x-men not so much, and with batman... i mean it just doesn't have the same feel as the elfman music.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 30 August 2024 22:07 (two months ago) link

ok correction
"what's my destiny dragon ball" is indeed the theme to dragon ball z, which i think was called "what's my destiny dragon ball" in italy? anyway seriously this fucking thing holds it's own against cha-la head-cha-la which i mean

that's _impressive_

i mean cha-la head-cha-la is, uh, _eurodance adjacent_ so it's not surprising that italy can bring it with its own version but still.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 30 August 2024 22:13 (two months ago) link


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