THE 100-YEAR-OLDS OCCUPATION: Giants 2008 goddamn thread

*fastens seatbelt*

SF scored 683 runs last year which was the lowest in MLB except for the Nationals w/ 673.

Gone: Bonds (21 win shares) & Feliz (13 win shares) = 34 win shares
Added: Rowand 23 win shares

Definitely my vote for worst offense in Baseball.

Yeah but they know politics now thanks BARRY!

Why, because of all the grand jury stuff? '

Oh, you mean the other Barry.

Be fair, Shasta, how many win shares did Scott Williamson have last year?

Barry Zito Sock Alert.

The starters intend to wear stirrup socks, a staple of bygone eras, as a demonstration of solidarity amongst themselves. Noah Lowry and Tim Lincecum displayed the look Friday while throwing off bullpen mounds.

* * * *

"It's more of a symbol of camaraderie than anything," Lowry said. "We're not worried as much about the look as everybody trying to say that we're on the same page here. Because that's what we've got, a tight-knit group."

* * * *

Although the Giants haven't settled upon a fifth starter, Jonathan Sanchez, a candidate for the role, already has agreed to wear stirrups. Kevin Correia, the favorite to claim the No. 5 spot, sounded prepared to follow suit. "They're talking me into it," he said."

I think the Giants will get Crede or some dude who can replace a bunch of Feliz's Win Shares, but I don't think Rowand will top like 13 this year.

Benji Molina is the slated clean-up hitter.

PECOTA projects:
.278/.316/.426 with 12 HRs (31 XBHs). 18 walks.

are there any other clean up hitters with a .742 OPS? on how many other teams would this guy bat 8th/9th?

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/dave_heaverlo_autograph.jpg

Bengie Molina-C- Giants Feb. 21 - 11:48 pm et

Bengie Molina was excused from drills on Thursday because of a strained left quad.
Who knew he moved fast enough to strain a quad? Molina's status for Friday's workouts is uncertain.
Source: Giants.mlb.com

Rich Aurilia-1B- Giants Feb. 21 - 11:47 pm et

Rich Aurilia didn't go through full drills on Thursday after tweaking his right hamstring.
Aurilia should be ready to go in a day or two.
Source: Giants.mlb.com

Omar Vizquel-SS- Giants Feb. 21 - 11:46 pm et

Omar Vizquel was limited by Thursday by an inflamed left knee.
It didn't take long for the ancient Giants to start suffering nagging leg injuries. The only surprise is that Ray Durham wasn't involved. Vizquel said the soreness is of no concern.

OldLOL

Christ.

wow. this is so going to be the worst team in baseball in '08.

and yet somehow this will all be blamed on Bonds

I have a weird feeling that they'll be surprisingly good, but I don't know what I'd be basing that on. Maybe 75 wins? Just a hunch, probably completely wrong.

over the last 3 seasons they have averaged 74 wins.

this team is far worst than any of those teams.

I say 100 losses.

I hear you guys on the 2 good young pitchers, but with diminished, old, injure prone vets playing behind them... matt cain is destined to have a worse record than he did in 2007 (7 wins + 16 losses).

http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/024741.php

Giants predicted to have worst offense in MLB:

"We continue to look at team offenses for 2008 with the San Francisco Giants.
Aaron Rowand

Aaron Rowand
Photo: Icon SMI

In 2007, the Giants scored 4.22 runs per game.

I plugged in a likely lineup to the Lineup Analysis Tool, using the Marcel the Monkey predictions from Tom Tango. The numbers for pitchers are based on the team averages from 2007. The lineups rate as follows:

* Best: 4.23 runs per game
* Given: 3.99 runs per game
* Worst: 3.71 runs per game

This going to be a very sad year for the Giants offense. Even with Bonds in 2007 they posted the second lowest runs per game in the majors. Not one person in the starting lineup is projected to obtain an OPS of .800. No one looks to get on over 35% of the time, and only one player is projected to slug over .450.

It's really sad to see once good offensive players like Omar Vizquel and Ray Durham fall apart like this. The Giants really need to blow up this lineup and start over."

I have truly, honestly been reading this thread thinking "b-b-but the Giants won the Superbowl!"

Get that optimism out of here.

And so it begins:

Vizquel out 4-6 weeks.

Arguably a better team without him in the lineup.

Good thing Sabean spent $5.3M on resigning him...

"Barry Zito's spring got off to a forgettable start Saturday, as the lefty recorded only two outs while giving up eight runs in the Giants' 23-5 loss to the A's."

omg

dying

This makes me happy.

http://msunderestimated.com/BarryZito.jpg

Bring on the Denker.

OK, this is piling on, but still...

1 0 4 4 9 0

Lowry's pitching line or the numbers on the hatch on Lost?

Supposedly there are tons of scouts at the game to check out Lowry as tradebait for a legitimate 3B....

LOLWRY

whoops

OWRLY?

^^^^^quality anagram

Zito's spring:

0 wins 3 losses
17.18 ERA
0 strikeouts
6 walks

I guess he's taken being the 4th-best starter on the Giants to heart.

omg! He dated hilary duff?! craddle roberrr!

He isn`t much of a craddle robber... I thought he was like 40 lol.. but he is only 29, and Hilary is 20.. thats not too bad.

Girls can be so mean.

Deriving dating PECOTA from exhibition stats, that is. Meow!

The Padres' B-team is whoopin' up on Timmy the Kid today.

I've grown tired of being a Johnny Sanchez apologist.

what was the worst major league team in the modern era?

i am gonna say the expos

which year?

1991?

Could they make a run at the 2003 Tigers (43-119)?

Whahaha Frenchy just pulled Zito one out shy of a QS shutout for 39 year old Keichi Yabu because Aaron Rowand can't catch a routine can of corn.

Love Spring Training.

Giants lose to their triple a team.

CRIKEY.

EASY SOLUTION: AAAers = WELCOME 2 THA MAJORS; PRO TEAM = SAY HAY-LO TO FRESNO

Haaaa -- Kuiper & Krukow just cracked that the Splash Hits sign in RF should be replaced w/ an Infield Hits sign.

Also, kudos to SF for giving bloggers and man-children across the US loads of giggles by keeping Bocock up. :p

Save that filth for the mound.

That's the general idea!

Penny looked okay today, not a bad pick up. Too bad the Giants needed a bat more than a 5th starter but whatevs.

Only 2 K's tho. Dudes K/9 has sank like a stone ever since 2007.

Yeah against the best team in the NL and World Series champs, dawg. This ain't no Vicente Padilla going 5 innings against the D-bags.

Has there ever been a bigger divide between a single team's pitching/defense vs. hitting?

How many teams can give up 3 runs in as many games and lose 2 of 3?

Not to be an annoying homer but its all I know:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl/player_search.cgi?search=2003+dodgers

Its more bullpen than starter related but its kinda similar. Less wins I guess.

16 LF Rickey Henderson .208 .321 .306

Lincecum look like skinny goth kid

Dan Runzler's 2009:

Team        Level `G     W-L	ERA	IP	H	BB	K	SV	WHIP
AUG (sf)	A	19	1-1	0.68	26.1	8	13	45	11	0.80
SAN (sf)	A+	19	1-0	0.84	21.1	8	4	26	5	0.56
CON (sf)	AA	7	3-0	0.96	9.1	5	7	11	1	1.29
FRE (sf)	AAA	2	0-0	0.00	2.0	2	0	1	0	1.00
SFG (NL)	MLB	1	0-0	0.00	0.1	0	0	1	0	0.00

3 pitch K tonight, but all 5 levels in one year is pretty good right? How common is that in this day and age?

Zito finally had a bad-ish start (only 4ip, 5bb), but somehow the Giants find a way to win another 3-2 game thanks to the bullpen.

Jesus Christ, Penny is a massive douchebag.

2009 butthurt player of the year

i saw the clip and could not for the life of me figure out what his problem was. is he channeling Clemens or something?

Giants allegedly calling up Bumgardner. Whether its to play or to shag foul balls in the bullpen like Posey remains to be seen.

He may be starting tonight.

Lincecum's back is strained from carrying the team, amirite lol

PECOTA=adjusted playoff odds

COL 84%

SF 13%

Should probably try to win games against the Padres imo

NL Pitcher VORP

Lincecum 64.7
Wainwright 64.3
Haren 62.6
Carpenter 62.0

Yikes:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants/detail?entry_id=48000

One of his teammates knows how to beat a murder rap in the Dominican. He should be ok.

If had an OBP of >.320 he might have been the best offensive player in the Giants organization including MLB.

always giggle a bit when i see a thread with "100 YEAR OLDS" in the title is bumped by morbs

I was basking in Bengie Molina's AMAZING .289 OBP at Dodger Stadium on Sunday. Hollee shit.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/giants/2010-01-14-giants-organizational-report_N.htm

I cringed every time an announcer would talk about Molina taking Pablo Sandoval under his wing during last season..

And I hate the Giants...

PECOTA '10:

Benjie Molina: .280/.317/.434, Defense: 96-C
Buster Posey: .274/.349/.422, Defense: 72-C

meaning not too different of a VORP projection giving either the majority of the PAs.

but here's the crazy thing:

breakout/improve/collapse
BM: 10/37/29
BP: 17/45/24

they're really closely matched, just on opposing ends of their careers.

ok, i'm starting to get excited about this year!

i'm trying to stay positive... but it seems like their biggest gain in the off-season was sandoval's prescription goggles.

how fat is the panda? i heard he's bigger than LY: t/f?

i for one am happy to find out what would've happened if CC never became a pitcher

Panda looked pretty portly on mlb tv last night doing fielding drills.

Fat Ichiro was a much better name than this pixar mickey mouse shit

well dude has quite a bit more power than ichiro, long live drives vs. slappy chops/running out infield grounders. not really the same animal imo.

.001 difference in OBP

Joe Mauer and Albert Pujols had a .001 difference in OBP last year but they're pretty different.

Giants resuming their tradition of butt-hurtedness already

Barry Zito worked 1 2/3 innings and allowed a run Thursday in the Giants' 5-3 win over the Brewers.

The story from the game will be that Zito plunked Prince Fielder in apparently retaliation for Fielder's "bowling pin" home run celebration against the Giants last year. Fielder was fine, and he ended up going 1-for-2 in the game. Still, it was a message sent.

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2010/03/500x_tim-lincecum-giants-snuggie.jpg

i imagine his life being like brad pitts in true romance only w piles and piles of money.

so Bumgardner looks hurt?

Seems like it. From what I read he's barely been able to get up to 90 on the gun.

Theres also murmurs of Lincecum being hurt because hes lost some speed on his fastball, but seems like its too early to start that kind of speculation.

too much doobage.

Lincecum will be fine, he had great stuff in his last game.

Wellemeyer looked great today getting out of those first and third situations with no runs.

not sure what happening with Bumgardner but we don't need him right now...

the Giants sign extensions with Brian Wilson, Jeremy Affeldt and Matt Cain. still not sold on Wilson because of all the people he gets on base. signing Cain however and not having to deal with it is a strong move on managements part.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/preview10/news/story?page=10expertpicks

Jim Caple,
ESPN.com

East champ: Yankees
Central champ: Twins
West champ: Rangers
Wild card: Rays
Champion: Twins

East champ: Braves
Central champ: Cardinals
West champ: Giants
Wild card: Diamondbacks
Champion: Giants

WORLD SERIES: Giants over Twins

BOLD CLAM ITT

what happened to Pandoval going to first?

also why dont u ppl start a 2010 thread?

Sandoval is the worst, he just chased three balls in the dirt.

Lincecum is in mid-season form, surprised after that horrible spring. good game overall with the bats doing some damage.

yeah, we need a new thread or change the title of this one.

Look, any of these jokers are welcome to start a new SFG thread, I'm done with this team (until September).

Or we can just use this thread: Sublimated Erotic Desire 2010