"rebuild mode" was probably inaccurate, but if they're planning on competing this season, why did they trade soto?
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 16:22 (two months ago) link
Outfielder Adam Duvall has signed a one-year, $3 million contract with the Atlanta Braves.— Robert Murray (@ByRobertMurray) March 14, 2024
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 17:29 (two months ago) link
bless
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 March 2024 17:36 (two months ago) link
I think the Padres will try to flip Cease at the deadline for a good young hitter. Right or wrong, Preller doesn't care about pitching prospects. While they could have used the guys they gave up in a similar deal, it's harder to do a prospect-for-prospect swap.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 14 March 2024 18:23 (two months ago) link
The Padres needed starting major-league ready pitching. Why would they flip Cease for a bat when 1) they can’t afford to pay Snell and Cease actually pitching more innings than Snell relieves some of the pressure on their now Haderless-pen?2) they had Soto in the lineup last year and still struggled over .500, they had Rich Hill pitching for them! The bats they have rn:- Bogaerts- Tatis- Machado- KimThey’ve basically raised their lineups floor by getting rid of Austin Nola and Matt Carpenter.Campusano looked pretty good as well and should produce offensively. The catching position should immediately be more productive now that they dropped Austin Nola, and also they’re not giving ABs to Matt Carpenter so they can DH Campusano on days Higashioka catches.I’m not saying the lineup couldn’t use an extra bat, but they’d be creating a worse problem by trading actual starting pitching away.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 18:36 (two months ago) link
hard agree with gyac:
friars lost snell, wacha & lugo which accounted for 360 IP, that's a massive hole that they're only now trying to fill in (Cease & MKing).
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 14 March 2024 18:47 (two months ago) link
I'm not talking about flipping him now. I think they'll trade him at the deadline when they're out of contention.
And when I say young hitter, I'm talking like A/AA level, not a guy to slot into the 2024 roster.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 14 March 2024 18:52 (two months ago) link
xp and King is a risk cos although he finished last season starting for the Yankees - and was really good starting - he hasn’t pitched a full season as a starter yet.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 19:09 (two months ago) link
xp but out of contention or not, they still need innings now
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 19:11 (two months ago) link
good trade for the Pads, the risk is Cease is just okay but the ceiling is he wins the Cy Young at a fraction of the cost of whatever Snell is gonna get.
― omar little, Thursday, 14 March 2024 19:33 (two months ago) link
Center fielder Michael A. Taylor and the Pittsburgh Pirates are in agreement on a one-year, $4 million contract, sources tell ESPN.— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) March 15, 2024
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 15 March 2024 21:25 (two months ago) link
Don't matter so long as daddy Boras gets that fat check 🤑 🤑 🤑 🤑 🤑
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 15 March 2024 22:26 (two months ago) link
Surely the cheque is less fat the nearer we get to the start of the season?
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 15 March 2024 22:29 (two months ago) link
I guess the gamble was to wait for a team to get desperate, and so far no one - not even the Yankees - is?
This convo was hashed out up thread, but I feel like Snell and Monty have to be getting pretty irritated at this point.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 15 March 2024 22:39 (two months ago) link
I'd imagine there's no joy in missing spring training as a professional baseball player
― H.P, Friday, 15 March 2024 23:09 (two months ago) link
Both having to sit outside the party because papa Boras said they're too good to hang out with the proles within it. Sucks
― H.P, Friday, 15 March 2024 23:10 (two months ago) link
Fucking disgusting, but if you’ve already got Aroldis Chapman on the roster…
Domingo German is going to the Pirates pic.twitter.com/vCNKEL3mJj— Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) March 16, 2024
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 16 March 2024 01:00 (two months ago) link
wrt snell & montgomery i have to think that w/ pitchers specifically there’s some element where staying healthy — not pitching — buoys your value. i don’t think the clock is ticking in quite the same way it was on chapman or bellinger
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 16 March 2024 18:08 (two months ago) link
JD Davis lost about 2.5 million but I'd argue that the Giants lost the war with the PR aspect of all of this.
The Giants need Snell more than any other team but
― Bee OK, Sunday, 17 March 2024 02:27 (two months ago) link
Blake Snell has told the Astros he’s seeking at least a two-year, $66M deal with an opt-out after 2024, per @BNightengaleThe Astros are intrigued, but are “the latest team to balk at his asking price” pic.twitter.com/Lh2hKGOyyn— Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) March 17, 2024
Ooof
― H.P, Sunday, 17 March 2024 22:39 (two months ago) link
Hell for that price? Open the deferred cheque book again dodgers
― H.P, Sunday, 17 March 2024 22:41 (two months ago) link
i don’t think that’s an unreasonable asking price if you look at recent two year contracts for cy young winning pitchers
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 17 March 2024 23:23 (two months ago) link
Absolutely
― H.P, Sunday, 17 March 2024 23:37 (two months ago) link
Don't matter so long as daddy Boras gets that fat check
y’all are really taking management’s line on boras
snell/montgomery/etc. aren’t beholden to boras’s whims — he works for them. jason varitek was a boras client who wanted to stay in boston, so he did. boras is just an advisor with an extremely strong track record; where and for what money those guys sign is ultimately up to them
and of course if they never sign or overplay their hands and get sub-par contracts, daddy boras gets a much smaller check
― mookieproof, Sunday, 17 March 2024 23:43 (two months ago) link
It would be an easier sell if he had a bit more consistency. Outside of his two cy young years he’s never made more than 30 starts in a season, and his overall results in non cy years have been good-not-great.
― Michael F Gill, Sunday, 17 March 2024 23:43 (two months ago) link
^ re: snell
― Michael F Gill, Sunday, 17 March 2024 23:44 (two months ago) link
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Monday, 18 March 2024 00:19 (two months ago) link
On the subject of Snell - Seattle, Snell is constantly liking and commenting on Mariners photos and has said he’d like to play there to people who asked him iirc. Park makes sense for him but ownership is cheap as fuck and they have a rotation and depth in the minors. I couldn’t see it happening unless he gave a substantial hometown discount and they traded Miller or Woo for riches.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Monday, 18 March 2024 00:21 (two months ago) link
I mean it's all conjecture how the boras (or any agent)/client relationship works right? In some cases, boras could have seriously swayed a player towards more money, in some cases lest, in some cases he was just a face for the clients whims. What he is in Snell's case? Who knows
― H.P, Monday, 18 March 2024 00:24 (two months ago) link
*less.
Shasta not wrong in suggesting boras has a vested interest in getting the most money and so has a hand to play as well. I'd say the hand has been played poorly by boras in this instance based on Snell's rejection of the 150/5 rejection.
― H.P, Monday, 18 March 2024 00:28 (two months ago) link
Hindsight 20/20 obvs
― H.P, Monday, 18 March 2024 00:30 (two months ago) link
Seattle needs a hitter way more than they need a SP, I think. Miller and especially Woo seem like keepers to me.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 18 March 2024 01:22 (two months ago) link
it's all conjecture how the boras (or any agent)/client relationship works right?
i suppose, but it’s the player’s life and it’s the player’s signature that goes on the contacts
what’s *really* open to conjecture is that while we can quantify every tiny aspect of blake snell’s performance, and we know what signing him would do to certain teams’ luxury taxes, we have no idea exactly how profitable MLB teams are (besides ‘probably much more so than they’d like us to think’). would signing snell make the yankees (or astros, or mariners) take a net loss this season? i very much doubt it. obviously teams have to make choices and prioritize when building rosters, but i’ll bet an owner’s definition of ‘minimum acceptable profit’ is very different from that of a fan
― mookieproof, Monday, 18 March 2024 01:55 (two months ago) link
i think we know enough about the finances of mid market teams to say that tacking on a $20m+ salary absolutely could swing a profit into a loss. when whether the owners should care about that is a diff question, but i think it’s safe to say that a lot of MLB teams are making less than $20m in profit in most individual seasons
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 18 March 2024 02:02 (two months ago) link
Breaking: Snell to the Giants. $62M, 2 years. Opt out.— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) March 19, 2024
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 01:36 (two months ago) link
I knew he was coming but started to get worried.
I went to his splits page to see what his line was at PacBell only to learn he's only pitched there 4x, small sample size but on one hand he was pretty dominant yet on the other hand it was the Giants lol.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 01:40 (two months ago) link
4 starts (2-0)22.2 IP1.59 ERA1.02 WHIP12.3 K/92.8 K/BB (31:11).476 OPSA
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 01:43 (two months ago) link
Webb - Snell, hell of a one-two.
― Bee OK, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 01:46 (two months ago) link
Snell, Robbie Ray, Jung Hoo Lee, Jordan Hicks, Soler, Matt Chapman. Giants have been cooking
― H.P, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 02:05 (two months ago) link
Oh, and Pablo Sandoval ofc
― H.P, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 02:06 (two months ago) link
Two time Cy Young Award winners from Seattle and the Giants. Oracle probably suits him a lot more than Minute Maid or Yankee Stadium. Now the Giants have 3.5 SP which was more than they had last year. Interesting combo of Webb and Snell; the guy who posts and the guy who doesn’t. I can’t actually remember who’s in the pen this year but they’d better be good.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 07:44 (two months ago) link
They surprisingly have elite 7-9 inning guys: TRogers twins + Doval
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 11:34 (two months ago) link
I mean it's all conjecture how the boras (or any agent)/client relationship works right? In some cases, boras could have seriously swayed a player towards more money, in some cases lest, in some cases he was just a face for the clients whims.
I think most players are inclined to take the highest offer, and don't particularly care where they play. I don't think Boras has to sway them to take the money.
At the other extreme, if a player makes it known that he really wants to play for his hometown team, then that kills his market and limits what Boras can do for him.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 12:09 (two months ago) link
Yeah they’ve improved the lineup a lot but they really need a big bat to go with Julio.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 12:20 (two months ago) link
Ah sorry cached message & new zing. It’s funny because Snell was posting on his Instagram page about the little league team in Seattle he sponsors and was apparently with them on Sunday. I feel even if he has a great season and opts out at the end of the year, are his FA chances going to be much better coming off a Cy Young season with a relatively poor free agent class?Or maybe two great seasons back to back will help his case…though he’ll be another year older and extremely unlikely to get that seven year deal he wanted.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 12:22 (two months ago) link
I think most players are inclined to take the highest offer, and don't particularly care where they play. I don't think Boras has to sway them to take the money.At the other extreme, if a player makes it known that he really wants to play for his hometown team, then that kills his market and limits what Boras can do for him.
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 14:06 (two months ago) link
Well that one all worked out in the end tho didn't it?
― H.P, Wednesday, 20 March 2024 00:38 (two months ago) link
Didn’t freeman rage fire his agent and isn’t the agent now suing fox and/or a reporter?!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 20 March 2024 03:58 (two months ago) link
Breaking: JD Martinez to Mets. $12M— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) March 22, 2024
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 22 March 2024 00:24 (two months ago) link