I mean the latter point is kind of obvious I suppose...
― omar little, Thursday, 30 November 2023 20:07 (six months ago) link
What the fuck!!!
Braves acquire Jarred Kelenic, Evan White and Marco Gonzales from Mariners for young righties Jackson Kowar and Cole Phillips, via @RyanDivish Mariners shed more salary in trade. Presumably loading up to add a big stick or two.— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) December 4, 2023
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 4 December 2023 08:06 (six months ago) link
the classic sam miller 'love this trade for the rays! who'd they get' tweet is being pre-empted by atlanta
(and/or whomever jerry dipoto trades with)
― mookieproof, Monday, 4 December 2023 08:22 (six months ago) link
I can only wonder if they are clearing payroll space for a big bat but it’s the Mariners
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 4 December 2023 08:57 (six months ago) link
Ohtani met with Blue Jays management at the team's spring training complex in Florida.
I am still skeptical that anything will come out of this, but it is interesting.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 06:24 (six months ago) link
i guess roberts spilled the beans Ohtani had met with the dodgers before that as well. literally everyday i have at least two friends checking in with me about this "Ohtani guy"
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 December 2023 23:59 (six months ago) link
so this mariners deal
marco gonzales is bad, and they got out of spending $12m on himkelenic (still possibly not-terrible) and white (terrible) are pre-arb
jackson kowar is 27 and has never been goodcole phillips is a high school pitcher who, at 20, has yet to pitch professionally
i don't think saving $12m suddenly means they can splash out on ohtani? phillips is a stab in the dark. and for whatever one thinks of kelenic, he put up 2 bwar as a 24yo this past season, which is infinitely more than everyone else in this trade combined
i rate this trade: ffs
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 04:31 (six months ago) link
SF to Tokyo is 11hours there, 9.5 back. It's an absolute grind even in biz/1st.Seattle & LA (and SD lol) are a little longer but all within the realm of "geographical proximity".
ATL/NYC/BOS/PHI are more 14+/12+, bordering on soultheft.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 04:50 (six months ago) link
I take that back about PHI, there's no direct flights which I think would be a dealbreaker at close to 18-20h per leg.
*huge caveat: assuming Shohei flies commercial.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 04:56 (six months ago) link
He’ll be able to buy his own airline soon enough.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 05:54 (six months ago) link
don't think the flight time matters -- it's not like he's not going to be an all-star, he's stuck here all summer
what *might* matter is how time zones and television play out in japan?
steve shasta: bring the knowledge
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 06:04 (six months ago) link
it's not so much him, it's his lifeline (family, friends, colleagues, seniors/juniors, medical staff, cultural staff, etc.)
east coast daygames are dreadful (usually starting ~midnight) but all night games line up with the workday with west coast night games ending around 4pm.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 07:24 (six months ago) link
lol verdugo to the yankees
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 08:22 (six months ago) link
i want him to refuse to shave
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 08:23 (six months ago) link
I feel like the autonomy really matters for Ohtani; you see it on this tour now. Literally the only reason I thought he might not sign with the Dodgers is because they’d want him to do things off the field. Buster Olney posted that there was a chance he could go back to the Angels, which would undoubtedly pay a ton of money for him to make them money, and to never do media for months if he doesn’t feel like it. But ultimately I still think he’s a Dodger for a million reasons, I think that would be the only sticking point.
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 09:04 (six months ago) link
so this mariners dealmarco gonzales is bad, and they got out of spending $12m on himkelenic (still possibly not-terrible) and white (terrible) are pre-arbjackson kowar is 27 and has never been goodcole phillips is a high school pitcher who, at 20, has yet to pitch professionallyi don't think saving $12m suddenly means they can splash out on ohtani? phillips is a stab in the dark. and for whatever one thinks of kelenic, he put up 2 bwar as a 24yo this past season, which is infinitely more than everyone else in this trade combinedi rate this trade: ffs
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 09:08 (six months ago) link
classic bucco
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 09:18 (six months ago) link
Welcome to the Bronx, Alex Verdugo 💪#YANKSonYES pic.twitter.com/crFSLHmfvs— YES Network (@YESNetwork) December 6, 2023
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 09:18 (six months ago) link
I really wish someone would call their bluff
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 13:49 (six months ago) link
Lots of chatter suggesting Juan "Childish Bambino" Soto is heading to The Bronx... pending physicals of course.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 15:12 (six months ago) link
Soto with that RF porch 😵💫
― omar little, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 15:36 (six months ago) link
They’re not a Soto away tbh
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 16:12 (six months ago) link
Craig Kimbrel is a deal now with O’s. $13M. @Joelsherman1 and @Ken_Rosenthal on it— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) December 6, 2023
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 20:43 (six months ago) link
damn and i was rooting for the O's to go further this season
― omar little, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 21:06 (six months ago) link
lol
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 21:17 (six months ago) link
Kimbrel-pitching-stance-with-a-pitch-of-Orioles-perched-on-his-wonky-arm.jpg
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 22:14 (six months ago) link
Finalized:
NYY: JuanSoto + Trent Grisham
SDP: Michael King, Drew Thorpe, Jhony Brito, Randy Vásquez + Kyle Higashioka
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 22:26 (six months ago) link
so not exactly a bustling trade market for his services huh...
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 22:28 (six months ago) link
For a 1 year rental, I'd rate it 60% NYY/40% SDP
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 22:33 (six months ago) link
Finalized:NYY: JuanSoto + Trent Grisham SDP: Michael King, Drew Thorpe, Jhony Brito, Randy Vásquez + Kyle Higashioka
The proposed Soto/Yankees trade has not yet advanced to the point where the teams have told each other they have a deal , and no players have yet been informed that they are on the move.— Andy Martino (@martinonyc) December 6, 2023
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 22:36 (six months ago) link
padres trying to gauge public reaction to getting back next to nothing for a guy they unloaded their farm system for?
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 22:37 (six months ago) link
soto home vs away in 2023:
home: .240/.398/.429 (12 HR)away: .307/.422/.604 (23 HR)
― omar little, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 22:38 (six months ago) link
xp they’ve got no money cos their tv deal collapsed, they decided to pay Xander Bogaerts a ton of money to play first base next year and their owner just died, I doubt they give a fuck about the opinions of the fans. The bigger fuckup was signing Bogaerts and not prioritising Soto.
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 22:43 (six months ago) link
The proposed return btw: King, a SP the Yankees decided to use from being a reliever, good performance in a small sample size Brito: potentially a SP, will be better than Rich Hill was for the PadresThorpe: iirc their best pitching prospect not too far off the major leaguesVasquez: nfiHiggy: lol at least he’s not Austin Nola????The Yankees rotation before this was:- Cole, Cortes, Rodón, King, Schmidt. I think? So they have probably at least two SP to fill given that Cortes and Rodón are both crocked. And I don’t think any other team was going to give them two putative SP for a rental.
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 22:47 (six months ago) link
Cashman is rumored to be in Japan courting Yoshinobu Yamamoto 👀👀👀
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 22:53 (six months ago) link
Seidler was a maniac, clearly. RIP to the Padres' spendiest owner ever, and good luck to Greupner and Kutsenda if they try to move Bogaerts or Tatis next.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 22:53 (six months ago) link
xp you mean Steve Cohen
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 22:57 (six months ago) link
Yankees GM Brian Cashman and manager Aaron Boone just left the winter meetings hotel and are headed to the Nashville airport with no Soto deal finalized yet— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) December 6, 2023
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Wednesday, 6 December 2023 23:00 (six months ago) link
Juan Soto trade agreement is being finalized now, source confirms.
The deal, as @JackCurryYES and @Joelsherman1 reported, sends Soto and Trent Grisham to New York for Michael King, Drew Thorpe, Jhony Brito, Randy Vásquez, and Kyle Higashioka.
Thorpe and Vasquez are the Yankees 5th- and 13th-best prospects according to MLB.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 7 December 2023 00:18 (six months ago) link
Cashman en route to Japan! 👀👀👀
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 7 December 2023 00:22 (six months ago) link
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=yamamo004yos
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 7 December 2023 00:23 (six months ago) link
I'm glad Soto is out of the NL West
― Bee OK, Thursday, 7 December 2023 07:04 (six months ago) link
very strange to see a player as statistically good as Soto being traded twice before he hits free agency. wonder if there is anything to that.
― Michael F Gill, Thursday, 7 December 2023 15:34 (six months ago) link
More to do with extending him. He wouldn’t extend with the Nationals even though they offered him $440m for 15 years so they traded him and went into rebuild rather than walk for free. The Padres don’t have the money to extend him so they traded him to get some money off the books as they wanted to bring payroll down to $200m and he hits free agency next year - all their other expensive contracts (Tatis Jr, Machado, Darvish, Bogaerts) are locked up for years.
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Thursday, 7 December 2023 15:42 (six months ago) link
Looking forward to the Yanks moving him at the trade deadline for a top Dodgers prospect
― Michael F Gill, Thursday, 7 December 2023 16:01 (six months ago) link
Ha, Soto may get traded again this year if the Yanks swoon before the trade deadline! It's all circumstantial.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 7 December 2023 17:09 (six months ago) link
he's my favorite player that i dread my favorite team facing. i don't usually watch baseball through my fingers, but i often do when soto is up!
― i'm really excited to learning more", *sunglasses fly onto dog.gif* (z_tbd), Thursday, 7 December 2023 17:17 (six months ago) link
I think there's this perception, maybe partially true as far as certain counting stats but vv unfair, that Soto has fallen shy of what people think he's capable of. Still frighteningly good, and he looks like a Hall of famer to me, *and* he's only 25.
― omar little, Thursday, 7 December 2023 17:18 (six months ago) link
yadier molina is back to the cardinals, this time as a special assistant to Mozeliak. but i would think it highly likely that if the cards disappoint again in 2024, oli marmol gets canned and yadi's in as manager
― i'm really excited to learning more", *sunglasses fly onto dog.gif* (z_tbd), Thursday, 7 December 2023 20:18 (six months ago) link
yankees taking a risk in trading for a boras client in the last year of his deal, but gotta think a lefty slugger like soto will be a great fit. idk if there's anything to trent grisham as a reclamation project, but he is better than a lot of the jamokes they were running out in the outfield last year.
as gyac said, they need pitching help fast (tho gyac, you forgot about frankie montas! to be fair, everybody does). they're gonna go all out for yamamoto, maybe trade another prospect for an available starter. and if they sense yamamoto isn't working out, they might re-sign their old friend jordan montgomery.
― kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Thursday, 7 December 2023 20:44 (six months ago) link