Ham, cheese, and little pieces of John Boccabella.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 23:13 (eight years ago) link
I finally started reading "Up Up and Away" as a spring training present to myself (I bought it a few months ago and finally started reading it this week). I'm about sixty pages in and it's perfect pre-season reading, full of amusing stories and cool factoids (like the English to Quebecois French translation of baseball terms). No bitterness, just a "this was fun while it lasted" vibe throughout (maybe the bitterness comes later though).
I had no idea that MLB awarded a franchise to MTL before there was an ownership group in place! The business of baseball has really changed since the late 60's ...
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 08:18 (eight years ago) link
this is one of my favorite pages in the internet: http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/French_Baseball_Glossary
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 16:46 (eight years ago) link
Got my tickets for Saturday @ the Big O, currently getting tickets for Friday as well. It was all sorts of fun last year.
― Worth Taking from Little Kid (Will M.), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 19:27 (eight years ago) link
Knuckleball - la balle papillon
Butterfly ball?
― Andy K, Wednesday, 9 March 2016 19:41 (eight years ago) link
that's my favourite one! i end up just reading that page idly a few times per season.
― Worth Taking from Little Kid (Will M.), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 20:11 (eight years ago) link
i'm picturing the Quebec language police coming down on the field and telling the players they have to communicate entirely en francais during the game.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 9 March 2016 20:15 (eight years ago) link
"La balle papillon" was Jonah Keri's favourite too, but his list wasn't as comprehensive as the B-R glossary. "Blown Save - le sabotage" gets my vote though.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 10 March 2016 09:12 (eight years ago) link
a screwball is a corkscrew ball, because wine lol french lol etca forkball = a slingballa bunt is like... a cushioning?pop-up/line drive/grounder = candle/arrow/rollera shutout = laundry!!!pitch hitter = emergency hitter (but a pinch runner is just a substitute runner, lol)
and then there's the ones that are just fun to say... moyen du puissance! balle glissante!
― Worth Taking from Little Kid (Will M.), Thursday, 10 March 2016 15:48 (eight years ago) link
fly ball is ballon, which is the name we give to bigger balls like a basketball or a soccer ball.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 10 March 2016 18:57 (eight years ago) link
I'm up to the chapter about 1994 (it gets its own chapter). I've been kind of dreading this part of the book, since it's nothing but a series of crushing disappointments from here until the end, but OTOH Keri's been keeping the negativity to a minimum so maybe I'm in for a surprise.
I'd almost forgotten how bad Expos ownership was in the pre-Loria days. Keri tries to be neutral on most things, and in many ways Charles Bronfman comes across as a visionary who helped bring the Expos to Montreal and led them through their late 70's/early '80's heyday. But to me he also comes across as a greedy asshole, even more so than your usual scummy baseball owner. He was arguably the most enthusiastic supporter of collusion in the 80's, and interviewees in the book say that he was personally crushed to discover that players wanted to be paid better and would sometimes sign with the highest bidder. He saw the Expos as a family business (where only he was allowed to make money of course) and couldn't understand why the ungrateful players didn't share in that loyalty, they just wanted more money.
The Expos also tried to squeeze the Jays out of their own markets in the 80's, which I hadn't heard about before. People partly blamed the Expos' downfall on the Jays, claiming that the Spos couldn't possibly survive unless they had nearly exclusive rights to broadcast anywhere in Canada, but particularly in Southern Ontario. Last I checked, the Canadiens do just fine despite the Leafs, and the population of Montreal is still larger than most MLB cities. And where exactly were the Jays supposed to broadcast their games??
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 20 March 2016 10:14 (eight years ago) link
I agree with Kerri, reading between the lines I think he admits that Montrealers don't care about baseball. You have some niches groups here and there, enough to get the O filled up for those two meaningless spring training games, but if you ask random montrealers they would struggle to name all 30 MLB teams. I keep asking about Mike Trout and 9 times out of ten they have no idea. It gets worse outside of the city, although Quebec City has a solid core of baseball fanatics for whatever reason. I don't have numbers to back that claim but I'm certain soccer and football are way more popular, and way more part of the collective consciousness. Jays and Jays' ownership were within their rights to solidify their own markets, it's just that it exposed the ugly truth that Montreal does not care about baseball like say lots of american cities do. Also, comparatively to other NA markets, Montreal was financially poor and struggling up until quite recently.
Also, Habs have fans all across Canada and are tied to a nationalist sentiment unlike any other club in the major leagues, I don't think you can compare both situations.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 20 March 2016 16:35 (eight years ago) link
I mean, you have one of the most beloved players of his generation reaching the eternal 3000 hits plateau and the attendance was of 13,540.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 20 March 2016 16:40 (eight years ago) link
You could say a lot of the same things about Jays fans though. Baseball always comes second to hockey. Both Torontonians and Montrealers will support a winning baseball team, but when the team is playing badly that support collapsed. With the hockey teams, fan support is much more constant, particularly in Toronto (that's not necessarily a compliment -- Toronto hockey fans will tolerate way too much mediocrity, whereas Montreal fans are smart enough not to tolerate that shit).
At the time (late '90's) I thought a new stadium in Montreal wasn't the solution, but now I'm not so sure after seeing what it's done for other teams in recent years after moving from suburban multipurpose stadiums into downtown baseball only parks (e.g. Pittsburgh, SF).
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 21 March 2016 09:08 (eight years ago) link
Finished it ... it was about what I expected -- an easy read that brought back a lot of memories. It feels like he barely scratched the surface on a lot of things, he interviewed about one hundred people and could probably fill up another book just with stories and oral histories if he wanted.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 11:38 (eight years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClpmHHLXIAASM57.jpg
― Andy K, Thursday, 23 June 2016 17:00 (seven years ago) link
this makes me sad.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 23 June 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link
allo
Now, just because a group of investors have met MLB’s conditions, it does not mean baseball’s return to Montreal is imminent. Hardly. Commissioner Rob Manfred has said he wants the Rays and Athletics to get new ballparks before considering expansion, plus MLB would surely open up the bidding to multiple cities.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/investors-have-reportedly-met-mlbs-conditions-to-bring-a-team-back-to-montreal/
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 March 2017 14:45 (seven years ago) link
Bleh, we already have enough taxes and debt like it is, and no way a stadium is built without some government funding. I love baseball, of course, and would welcome an expansion team, but that scam has been going for too long.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 31 March 2017 01:08 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8RqHFPXUAE9QhE.jpg
makeshift bullpens at the O
― mookieproof, Friday, 31 March 2017 21:17 (seven years ago) link
Such a brutal stadium.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 31 March 2017 21:51 (seven years ago) link
i agree, it is a masterpiece of brutalism
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 31 March 2017 22:10 (seven years ago) link
i don't think it's really any worse than the other 70s stadiums like three rivers/riverfront/the vet. which admittedly isn't saying much
― mookieproof, Friday, 31 March 2017 23:26 (seven years ago) link
Now, just because a group of investors have met MLB’s conditions, it does not mean baseball’s return to Montreal is imminent.
no, it means manfred has a francophone stick with which to beat the local oakland and tampa governments
― mookieproof, Friday, 31 March 2017 23:31 (seven years ago) link
un baton.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 1 April 2017 02:50 (seven years ago) link
le bâton
― mookieproof, Saturday, 1 April 2017 02:53 (seven years ago) link
lol
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 1 April 2017 03:13 (seven years ago) link
French government has been trying to reform that accent out of existence since 2008. You could say it is a bit like the Expos.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 1 April 2017 03:59 (seven years ago) link
id say i liked the view from my cheap seats better than i ever enjoyed the view from the cheap seats at the skydome.
― why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Saturday, 1 April 2017 18:44 (seven years ago) link
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/rob-manfreds-three-expansion-cities
― mookieproof, Friday, 14 July 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link
I guess it's not universally accepted that manfred's just yapping to get Oakland and TB their taxpayer parks
― qualx, Friday, 14 July 2017 22:15 (six years ago) link
i'm sure that's part of it, but . . . the rockies paid a $95m expansion fee in 1992. the new las vegas team in the nhl just paid $500m. a new baseball team would be $1b at least, i would think, of straight-up free money? even split 30 ways that's a lot
― mookieproof, Friday, 14 July 2017 23:27 (six years ago) link
i don't think it'll happen before those two teams get their parks though. really, they need to be relocated before anyone even thinks about expansion, but that isn't coming from a $$ standpoint.
i agree with AGon though, if the goal of mexico expansion is to open up the entire country's market and/or diplomatic baseball reasons, it doesn't need to be a logistical nightmare like mexico city. monterrey is at least a hell of a lot closer to the rest of the league and shorter than denver by several thousand feet.
― qualx, Saturday, 15 July 2017 00:06 (six years ago) link
Jered Weaver in a brutalist bullpen would think his fastball is roughly 110 mph.
― Andy K, Saturday, 15 July 2017 02:07 (six years ago) link
Montreal can't afford a new ballpark/billionaire's scam. Montreal can't afford a new ballpark/billionaire's scam. Montreal can't afford a new ballpark/billionaire's scam.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 15 July 2017 02:41 (six years ago) link
otm. isn't carey price enough?
― mookieproof, Saturday, 15 July 2017 03:35 (six years ago) link
http://phildellio.tripod.com/raines.jpg
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 July 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
Oh man.
― Andy K, Sunday, 30 July 2017 02:42 (six years ago) link
<3
― mookieproof, Sunday, 30 July 2017 05:23 (six years ago) link
Posnanski pointed out the other day how incredibly close they were during their Expos years:
Games played in Montreal:
Tim Raines: 1,452Andre Dawson: 1,443
WAR in Montreal:
Tim Raines: 48.5Andre Dawson: 48.1
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 July 2017 13:49 (six years ago) link
This video is worth checking out. Stick around until the end, the last throw they show is unbelievable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQwfvNtAFyk
― earlnash, Thursday, 30 August 2018 00:00 (five years ago) link
I remember when Ellis Valentine got hit in the face with a pitch and wore this helmet. Always thought this was a pretty cool card.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IBmZyF9wrGA/TVjWUNxAV1I/AAAAAAAAQUU/0YwpFu8NaXo/s1600/ellis_card.jpg
Lot of big name players in that Valentine clip. I believe that is Dale Murphy in that one against the Braves.
― earlnash, Thursday, 30 August 2018 00:02 (five years ago) link
jacksonville expos cap circa 1985-90. nice
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyVrJQzXQAAzY7j.jpg
― mookieproof, Friday, 1 February 2019 18:11 (five years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-0cveIWsAEYs6D.jpg
― mookieproof, Saturday, 6 July 2019 21:25 (four years ago) link
Pitching another monster game through 5 (59 strikes, 19 balls!).
Somewhat related: going to the Canadian HOF for the first time on Wednesday. I hope there's more than a Fergie Jenkins jersey and a couple of Joey Votto's bats...
― clemenza, Saturday, 6 July 2019 21:49 (four years ago) link
For a long time I just assumed Tim Raines was canadian because he got inducted there.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 7 July 2019 16:00 (four years ago) link
Would love to learn why LB Pearson is inducted if you can report for me.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 7 July 2019 16:03 (four years ago) link
My guess would be he had a hand in getting Montreal a team--he was PM up till '68? I think there are a bunch of non-Canadian Jays and Expos in there.
― clemenza, Sunday, 7 July 2019 17:25 (four years ago) link
"Canada’s 14th Prime Minister, Lester B. Pearson, was a fine all-around athlete who participated in a variety of sports, including hockey, football, rugby, basketball and lacrosse. But baseball was Pearson’s true passion. He suited up alongside his brother, Vaughan, with the Guelph Maple Leafs of the Ontario Intercounty Baseball League and attended games at Toronto’s famed Hanlan’s Point stadium as a youngster.
Later in life, the Nobel Peace Prize winner served as an honorary board member with the Montreal Expos. After his death, the Pearson Cup, named in his honour, was presented to the winner of an annual exhibition game between the Toronto Blue Jays and Montreal Expos from 1978 to 1986."
So...he liked baseball seems to be the reason.
― clemenza, Sunday, 7 July 2019 17:27 (four years ago) link
Go, Expos!
― clemenza, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 13:11 (four years ago) link