2012 awards thread

wow lincecum

darwin barney @ 9th best salary/war is blowing my mind

also how is latos only making 550k

damn hes 24 i thought dude was like 29

hey zs this is some nice work

yea z_s for ilbb mvp

Should be getting paid to work arbitration cases.

here have an upvote/rep point/forum monetary unit

oh, i gave you your fourth rumglord! how pipping

give rizzo a call -- he could probably use a sabermetric sidekick

tell him you've run some stats on ryan zimmerman's effectiveness throwing underhand and that everyone should be doing it

There's a Babe Ruth Award (for postseason performance) that no one knows about:

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/10/24/3544038/mlb-postseason-award-babe-ruth

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/10/24/3546916/take-that-poindexter

Let the ugliness begin.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2012-10-26/mlb-player-of-the-year-2012-miguel-cabrera-mike-trout-al-mvp-triple-crown?eadid=EL/SICOM&sct=mlb_t2_a5

Not really--I'm sure Trout's side is resigned to the inevitable by now. I said upthread that I thought Trout would get MVP even if Cabrera did it, but it became clear to me soon after that that wasn't the case. (Verducci picking Cabrera was key in rethinking that.) Actually, 108-71 doesn't seem that bad a split for Trout in a player's poll, as you know players are going to favor traditional/dinosaur/whatever metrics.

tbh, i can't get too worked up about one winning over the other either way.

Same.

someone voted for jeter

derek jeter is so vain

He probably thinks this award is about him.

lol

Meat Hook has spoken.

‏@DaMeathookYoung
Rookie of the Year Mike Trout and Bryce Harper. Cy Young is Gio Gonzalez and Fernando Rodney. MVP is Buster Posey and Miguel Cabrera.

o_O

no Jeter nomination for a Gold Glove? He had 200+ hits this year! #LiterallyKatrina

Not an award, but Schoenfield's year-end All-Star team--most are pretty easy picks.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/30663/wrapping-up-2012-the-all-mlb-team

BBWAA doing "finalist" crap... kinda adds nothing.

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/11/7/3615240/american-league-award-finalists-bbwaa-mvp-cy-young-rookie-year

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/11/7/3615406/baseball-awards-mvp-cy-young-rookie-of-the-year

wait this finalist stuff was that determined before voting or is it just like the top X vote-getters? that's what i thought it was like with gold gloves, like the voters were only allowed to vote for one of three at each position

top X getters

"finalists" ... ugh. What's the point if they're just the top X vote-getters? To reduce the possible element of surprise like when e.g. Morneau or Pudge won?

haven't looked, but i bet mlb.com has a fan poll.

I didn't really get this until reading about Johnny Cueto on SweetSpot. What a horrible, horrible idea.

man, dave cameron is not v camera friendly

One thing this awful new format will gum up is the MVP- and Cy Young-share stat on Baseball Reference. It's a junk stat, but it does tell you something about how players were perceived in their day.

Is it really going to be acknowledged in that way? I have my doubts. BR should just stick w/ where they finish, 2-3-4-5.

also, fucking ignore it.

I mean gum up in the sense that for all those years, players accumulated award-shares for any kind of finish. I'm sure they'll continue to tabulate the stat, but it's now two different standards for pre- and post-2012.

Ignore it? Well, sure--if I wanted to, I would.

but... it's not a separate or new distinction, just an artificial one. They're just announcing the upper crust early.

Okay--I've misinterpreted. When I read this, I understood it to mean that they narrow the field to a few players ahead of time, and they're the only ones eligible:

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/30678/johnny-cueto-was-jobbed

But if it just means that they announce the top few finishers ahead of time, and there'll still be the usual also-rans drawing votes after the top tier, no big deal (although completely unnecessary). So: never mind.

And actually, in this instance, I think your "ignore it" advice makes 100% sense; I will try to avoid, in future, finding out about these week-before "finalists."

yeah the BBWAA is not having 2 separate votes for these awards

interesting re: manager of the yr discussion on clubhouse confidential - cameron mentioned theres fangraphs metrics that have the o's as the best bullpen in the history of baseball o_O

lol cameron's been on that show? the whole thing is silly. brian kenny is like a teenager just discovering sabermetrics and he's SO EXCITED but he's also just more natural as a host who delegates talking time to the ex-players, so not only is it finally ~his time to shine~ but he's sort of a creepy robot about it

hilarious A+

i love brian kenny

his whole subtext in the show seems to be "they're finally letting me run free!" and it's cute

Cameron owns the last functional Flowbee imo.

my dad used one on himself a couple weeks ago

xp lol otm

Trout wins ROY unanimously; Romney camp reportedly shell-shocked.

Player 	        Team 	        1st 	2nd 	3rd 	Points
Mike Trout 	Angels 	        28 	0 	0 	140
Yoenis Cespedes Athletics 	0 	19 	6 	63
Yu Darvish 	Rangers 	0 	9 	19 	46
Wei-Yin Chen 	Orioles 	0 	0 	2 	2
Jarrod Parker 	Athletics 	0 	0 	1 	1
Bryce Harper 	Nationals 	16 	8 	8 	112
Wade Miley 	D-backs 	12 	13 	6 	105
Todd Frazier 	Reds 	        3 	7 	9 	45
Wilin Rosario 	Rockies 	1 	2 	1 	12
Norichika Aoki 	Brewers 	0 	2 	5 	11
Yonder Alonso 	Padres 	        0 	0 	1 	1
Matt Carpenter 	Cardinals 	0 	0 	1 	1
Jordan Pacheco 	Rockies 	0 	0 	1 	1

NL vote must be one of the closest ever. (Wasn't there a tie or two?)

Brisbee, SBN:

"All 32 ballots listed Harper, while Bill Center of the San Diego Union-Tribune left Miley off his ballot entirely. GET HIM, INTERNET!"

trout was the youngest ROY ever for a couple hours there

Gooden is still the youngest by a month.

MOYs: Davey Johnson, Bob Melvin

yeah i'm bummed too