(Leafy -- right.)
― Andy K, Friday, 24 February 2012 00:19 (twelve years ago) link
wtf @ collector taking the sample home
― johnny crunch, Friday, 24 February 2012 00:42 (twelve years ago) link
dude's probably lonely.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 24 February 2012 03:07 (twelve years ago) link
clemenza - is that the first you'd heard about the epic Bautista testings?
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 24 February 2012 03:18 (twelve years ago) link
Yes--have they been complaining about this for a while? Bypassed me.
― clemenza, Friday, 24 February 2012 03:27 (twelve years ago) link
no, not complaining. but i've been reading about it for here and there for maybe a year now.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 24 February 2012 03:39 (twelve years ago) link
Kurkjian was just talking about Braun's taint.
― Andy K, Friday, 24 February 2012 04:40 (twelve years ago) link
PEDs 2012: Juice Em Up and Let Em Rip
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 February 2012 05:56 (twelve years ago) link
guess shasta really is gone
― buzza, Friday, 24 February 2012 05:59 (twelve years ago) link
so if braun has a bad year the test was right. and if he has a good one he is still taking PEDs.
― bnw, Friday, 24 February 2012 06:00 (twelve years ago) link
i haven't seen this before, found this as a comment on a Giants board so it could be common knowledge or.
The big rumor is that Braun was taking a medication to treat genital herpes, that in some form it interfered with the test. It was the cause of his treatment that caused the less than forthcoming responses about specific facts from Braun and others. Who knows the truth, but that’s the rumor.
― Bee OK, Friday, 24 February 2012 06:01 (twelve years ago) link
wait, what happened to Shasta?
― Bee OK, Friday, 24 February 2012 06:02 (twelve years ago) link
pujols had shasta killed when he got out to california. he is buried with the only real copy of albert's birth certificate. rip.
― bnw, Friday, 24 February 2012 06:04 (twelve years ago) link
great, a herpes rumor just when I was going to poke my nose into Braun's taint
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 February 2012 06:11 (twelve years ago) link
If a major company wants to throw their case, I'm sure any "independent arbiter" would let them.
― the acquisition and practice of music is unfavourable to the health of (abanana), Friday, 24 February 2012 13:17 (twelve years ago) link
That herpes rumor has been around for months over here in Brewerland, but there are now other rumors that the sample tested negative for STDs. Rumors are rumors, as transient as a summer breeze.
― Display Name (this cannot be changed):, Friday, 24 February 2012 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
Also, tantalizingly, from player rep Chris Narveson: "Put it this way: This isn’t the first time we’ve had issues with the people [in charge of testing] in Milwaukee. There have been other issues with timing."
― Display Name (this cannot be changed):, Friday, 24 February 2012 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
"but there are now other rumors that the sample tested negative for STDs"
I don't think most STD tests are urine-based.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
I'm curious is there actually a public ruling that can be read? Or is this just leaks from MLB and Braun's side?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 February 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
i would rather people think i was hitting questionable poon than a cheater.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 24 February 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
but that's just me.
and possibly Braun i guess.
"There have been other issues with timing."
Word to Artie Fufkin.
― Andy K, Friday, 24 February 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
"Kick my ass. As a man, I'm asking you to kick my ass." --Anonymous dude who collects MLB players pee in his Edgar Allan Poe-styled basement
― Display Name (this cannot be changed):, Friday, 24 February 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
yeah when i saw this the first thing i thought of was some random guy hanging out with ryan braun's pee sample for the day
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 February 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
Having fun with Braun's pee samplehttp://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/HathBrad/INTERNET%20DOWNLOADS/ANIMATED%20GIFS/555587017.gif
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 February 2012 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
does anyone else think maybe that switched up Nyjer Morgan's sample with BRAUNDOs?
― sanskrit, Saturday, 25 February 2012 04:15 (twelve years ago) link
dick pound thinks so
― mookieproof, Saturday, 25 February 2012 04:23 (twelve years ago) link
i did hear ny talk radio for .5 seconds today and heard "clean cut" ryan braun so
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 25 February 2012 04:38 (twelve years ago) link
they were talking about his circumcision
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 25 February 2012 04:39 (twelve years ago) link
lol otm
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 25 February 2012 04:39 (twelve years ago) link
I think this covers the issue better than anything else I read.
http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_/page/munson-120224/ryan-braun-ruling-raises-embarrassing-questions-mlb-drug-testing
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 25 February 2012 13:42 (twelve years ago) link
MLB really looks foolish at this point.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 25 February 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
Apparently the full decision will be available to read in a month.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 25 February 2012 13:50 (twelve years ago) link
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, February 25, 2012 8:45 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
they really do! and instead of sucking it up and vowing to improve the testing process they're acting like a bunch of babies about it.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 25 February 2012 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
smh at Tim Brown:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AteiDO0Zi2jrpCeMpGSLFnU5nYcB?slug=ti-brown_ryan_braun_drug_suspension_innocent_022412
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Saturday, 25 February 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, there's definitely a pattern of people who know EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED on both sides...but mostly on the "he cheated" side. (NB: I'm obv a Brewers fan so yes I have a dog in this fight.)
― Display Name (this cannot be changed):, Saturday, 25 February 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
Okay anyone read Will Carroll's piece about the science of this, apparently available on Amazon.com for 99 cents? Based on write-ups like this it kind of sounds important.
― Display Name (this cannot be changed):, Saturday, 25 February 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
huh. that's some interesting stuff.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 25 February 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
the sportswriters are treating the situation almost like they did Jeremy Mayfield, despite both situations being extremely different (ie, Mayfield was batshit crazy and reports of his drug use were rampant from many sources).
thanks for the article post....forwarding to a Brewers fan friend of mine who is livid about how the media is treating this.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Saturday, 25 February 2012 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
The guy who put the sample in his fridge speaks:
http://www.jsonline.com/business/here-is-laurenzis-statement-c74c8qo-140750013.html
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
To be fair I can't really imagine what incentive this guy would have to tamper with the samples, but that's not really the point of Braun's appeal.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
Braun should just move on now. The burden of proof isn't on him, he doesn't need to offer theories as to why the sample was a false positive as some sportswriters stupidly suggested.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:16 (twelve years ago) link
Why would a sample just randomly develop more synthetic testosterone because it wasn't handled properly? Wasn't there a report that his test was among the highest in testosterone levels ever recorded? And that is something that can just happen if a urine sample sits in tupperware for awhile? That sounds pretty specious to me. Does the premium Amazon article explain the science behind this claim at all?
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:21 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, obviously chain of custody is important and this case will do a great job of making sure that MLB takes it more seriously in the future, but I think it's fair to wonder about Braun's culpability.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
xp Since Will Carroll is not a scientist I doubt he would be able to explain it to even a layperson's satisfaction.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:25 (twelve years ago) link
Braun's best scenario is just to be a wrestling heel, smile evilly and hit home runs and celebrate a lot and not give a fuck what anyone thinks. The overly 'umble Giambi approach (along with corresponding skill level falloff) doesn't work at all.
― Display Name (this cannot be changed):, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:00 (twelve years ago) link
the pettitte approach worked fine, but braun may lack the appropriate religious credentials
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago) link
Braun should just deliberately hit screaming foul balls at the fans during road games
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago) link
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/25/pedro-gomez-embodies-the-intellectual-dishonesty-of-the-anti-peds-bloc-of-the-hall-of-fame-electorate/
― Andy K, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 14:40 (twelve years ago) link
@JoeGiglioSportsIn order to take down A-Rod, MLB worked with a drug dealer that distributed PEDs to 12-17 yr olds in the Dominican.
― Andy K, Tuesday, 5 August 2014 17:52 (nine years ago) link
@jay_jaffeMOAR BIOGENESIS RT @TJQuinnESPN: Two law enf. sources tell me investigation revealed previously unnamed MLB players. Expect more suspension
― Andy K, Tuesday, 5 August 2014 18:37 (nine years ago) link
Two most common responses I've gotten on unnamed players are "please be Ortiz" and "please be Jeter."
— T.J. Quinn (@TJQuinnESPN) August 5, 2014
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 5 August 2014 21:02 (nine years ago) link
Ortiz?!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 August 2014 21:04 (nine years ago) link
people've wanted that for years now
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 5 August 2014 21:05 (nine years ago) link
had no idea... i guess mainly because he's "well liked"?
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 August 2014 21:29 (nine years ago) link
did you not follow the price/ortiz stuff at all
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 5 August 2014 21:31 (nine years ago) link
hits a lot of homers for an old guy, is a boston red sock, has been a boston red sock through all of their annoying incarnations, will probably end up in the hall of fame without really deserving it, is kind of a dick now, never gotten the impression that he's well-liked outside of boston maybe except for ~2004
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 5 August 2014 21:33 (nine years ago) link
>price/ortiz stuff at all
no idea. i really don't read much baseball outside of scores/stats!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 August 2014 21:37 (nine years ago) link
It's better that way
― Bringing the mosh (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 5 August 2014 21:41 (nine years ago) link
i think it mostly just comes down to people suspecting he's on roids
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 5 August 2014 21:42 (nine years ago) link
Ortiz was supposedly one of the hundred or so players who tested positive in '03, before there were any penalties for taking PED's. So it wouldn't be Ortiz's first time getting caught (allegedly).
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 5 August 2014 22:37 (nine years ago) link
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/08/05/biogenesis-tony-bosch-more-mlb-names-could-be-leaked/13641293/
"Are drugs ever going to be out of the game? No," Kirk Radomski, the former New York Mets clubhouse attendant who was convicted for distributing steroids in 2007 to baseball players, told USA TODAY Sports."I still get guys calling me, asking me how to get to that next level. There are a lot of guys out there beating the system."There probably are going to be a bunch of guys who are worried now that the feds are involved."
"I still get guys calling me, asking me how to get to that next level. There are a lot of guys out there beating the system.
"There probably are going to be a bunch of guys who are worried now that the feds are involved."
― Andy K, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 12:17 (nine years ago) link
Dan Connolly @danconnollysun 4m Waiting on official word but hearing Chris Davis has tested pos for amphetamines. 25 game suspension
― mookieproof, Friday, 12 September 2014 15:07 (nine years ago) link
now official
― mookieproof, Friday, 12 September 2014 15:08 (nine years ago) link
The 25 games shall include all regular season games and Postseason games in which the player would have been eligible to play.
and so close to the mendoza line too
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 12 September 2014 15:14 (nine years ago) link
wonder when the failed test was, like if it was announced a week ago he'd be back by postseason
― johnny crunch, Friday, 12 September 2014 15:16 (nine years ago) link
Assuming he's telling the truth, why wouldn't Davis request an exemption for using Adderall, especially if he's had exemptions in the past? Or maybe that's the whole point (nobody could possibly be so stupid, that is) and he's lying?
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 12 September 2014 16:25 (nine years ago) link
yeah, kind of weird. anyway, whatever -- everyone pop some greenies
@DBWilson2Buck on whether it's fair to judge Davis' 2013, and really just on life. "What is fair?"
buck makes u think
― mookieproof, Friday, 12 September 2014 16:28 (nine years ago) link
Rodriguez also described how Bosch gave the ballplayer “tips on how to beat MLB’s drug testing,” according to the DEA report.The secret? According to Rodriguez, “Bosch advised him to only use mid-stream urine for MLB drug testing. Bosch told Rodriguez not to use the beginning or the end urine stream.”It worked. A test he took while using the drugs came up negative.
The secret? According to Rodriguez, “Bosch advised him to only use mid-stream urine for MLB drug testing. Bosch told Rodriguez not to use the beginning or the end urine stream.”
It worked. A test he took while using the drugs came up negative.
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mlb/article3578762.html
― Andy K, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 17:18 (nine years ago) link
This may have some effect:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/12289319/commissioner-rob-manfred-says-hall-fame-voters-surmise-ped-use
― clemenza, Sunday, 8 February 2015 13:36 (nine years ago) link
potentially fit for this thread or is it teh crack again?http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-josh-hamilton-20150224-story.html
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link
Id be happy if it was PEDs and not crack
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 21:50 (nine years ago) link
yeah same
― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 21:54 (nine years ago) link
@Ken_Rosenthal 43s43 seconds agoAsked a baseball executive if Hamilton’s discipline was for PEDs. His response: “Worse.” The executive declined to elaborate.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 21:55 (nine years ago) link
was about to post that. hamilton did 9/11. see u in guantanamo josh
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:15 (nine years ago) link
PEDs are worse than cocaine
― Bringing the mosh (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 26 February 2015 04:18 (nine years ago) link
wait what no what am I sayin I'm drunk
More:
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/25081902/angels-josh-hamilton-admits-to-relapse-involving-cocaine
― Andy K, Thursday, 26 February 2015 13:18 (nine years ago) link
Damn. How did MLB find out about it if he didn't fail a drug test?
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 26 February 2015 13:48 (nine years ago) link
Apparently he told them...
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 26 February 2015 13:54 (nine years ago) link
the drug of abuse suspension policy of mlb sort of rubs me the wrong way.
― j.q higgins, Thursday, 26 February 2015 15:32 (nine years ago) link
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/marijuana-and-the-joint-drug-agreement/
this is some Kenny powers shit
As others have noted, the stark differences between the MLB and minor league rules for marijuana use raise the possibility that some minor leaguers could try to openly use marijuana in order to force their teams to promote them to the 40-man roster. While this strategy may not work for ordinary minor leaguers, for top prospects it is not inconceivable that a team would choose to promote a player to the 40-man roster to ensure that the player would only be fined, not suspended, for his marijuana use. Otherwise, the team could see any marijuana-using top prospect sidelined for 50 or more games for a violation of the minor league drug rules.
― johnny crunch, Friday, 6 March 2015 13:18 (nine years ago) link
ervin santana, 80-game suspension
― mookieproof, Friday, 3 April 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link