Dontrelle Willis. . .

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Because we pretty much exhausted the Willis topics.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

At least until he pitches again.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

We can talk about other Cubs farmmates though! Prior with a shutout through five on the first stop on his 2005 comeback tour.

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks in large part to Willis and Beckett's 0.00 ERA's, the Fish's team ERA is 1.36 through nine games -- yet they're only 5-4. And it's not like they haven't been scoring runs. That's some Bob Gibson-esque crazy shit.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 15 April 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Jack McKeon: TIME TRAVELLER!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 April 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe the Marlins are trying to emulate the Yankees performance in the 1960 World Series, but in assbackwards fashion - instead of 10-2 wins and 3-1 losses, the Marlins are losing 12-10 and winning 4-0.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 15 April 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Wait ... you got it backwards yourself ... they're winning 10-2 and losing 3-1, like the 1960 WS Yankees.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 15 April 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha! I thought the close ones were the CG shutouts. My bad.

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 16 April 2005 01:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Burnett gets another complete game.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 17 April 2005 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link

mets fan to alfonseca: "gimme six!"

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 17 April 2005 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link

his line so far tonight:

   
IP H R ER BB K HR SeasonERA
6.0 2 0 0 0 4 0 0.00

you read that right, ANOTHER shutout (through 6 IP)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Jinx!

String broken at 24 innings.

Curious George (1/6 Scale Model) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I jinxed him first! Wheeee!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 00:25 (nineteen years ago) link

OK DONTRELLE - you can stop w/ the run giving.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 00:30 (nineteen years ago) link

stop the presses!

d-train removed after 6 innings & 94 pitches!

!

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Saturday, 23 April 2005 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

That sounds about right.

1st start: 97 pitches
2nd start: 114 pitches
3rd start: 87 pitches

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 23 April 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
D-Train vs Oswalt on ESPN2 tonight... Feature on Dontrelle's mom in today's Times (Don't think about callin' it a comeback).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Wowza.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 May 2005 00:29 (nineteen years ago) link

he's good, all right.

that NL East race is gonna be a doozy between Atlanta and Florida.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 12 May 2005 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Two hits last night ... IN THE SAME INNING. Pretty sweet.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link

the bearman told me he was going to that game. i'm jealous.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I sat right next to him!!

I totally f'd up and missed a foul ball that Juan Pierre hit (the next batter after the FIRST of Dontrelle's hits) that bounced off MY SEAT!!! How embarassing. Closest I've ever come to a foul ball EVER and I BLEW IT. Luckily one of our party (not the Bearman) did wind up with it...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:05 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, shit, he didn't tell me you guys were going together. fuck.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, it was good to see him again! I don't think I'd even seen him, let alone hung out with him, for about a year and a half or so...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 00:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Dontrelle's doing his 2003 impression again:
	ERA	WHIP	BAA	K/9
 April 1.29 0.83 .189 6.43
 May 2.06 1.23 .250 8.23
 June 3.32 1.34 .306 5.94

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

His last game was still pretty nice.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

and gygax is doing his 2004 impression! i still don't see any pattern dude.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Hot start followed by gradual increase in WHIP & BAA, and a decrease in K/9 is the pattern. Of course, given how ridiculous D-Train's performance has been, he was bound to come back to earth. Even Barry Bonds slumps!

If he keeps up that WHIP & BAA, tho, his ERA's gonna be higher than 3.32.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

i'll give you "hot start"


keep in mind we're only talking abt 3 starts there dave, and this is a guy who's only given up 2 hrs all season.

as far as i can tell, he's a guy who's gotten off to 3 lighting starts, then pitched very well over a couple rough patches for the remainder of the season.

also arbitrary stat that's biased very much in my favor but illustrates my point nonetheless: in 03&04 he had 3 months w/ an era under 3.00 after june, 1 month before. (that was actually june 2003)

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey gygax! why ain't you giving us da rest of his June stats!?!?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 June 2005 00:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh I'll do it:


	ERA	WHIP	BAA	K/9
 April 1.29 0.83 .189 6.43
 May 2.06 1.23 .250 8.23
 June 1.91 1.23 .273 6.04

And another complete game shutout. And one run over his last 23 innings.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Be sure to revive this around September Alex, increasing BAA and decliinng K/9 are not good trends!

Dontrelle Willis Career ERA:
Pre-Allstar 2.64
Post-Allstar 4.30

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, his "career" consists of 2.5 seasons, so you can only put so much stock in pre/post All-Star break splits. His April 2005 was just too dominant -- no pitcher could expect to maintain that performance. The .273 BAA and 1.23 WHIP looks like the "real" Dontrelle Willis, and sooner or later his ERA will catch up to that.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

but ITS NOT FATIGUE GOD DAMMIT. it's regression to the mean. he's not a 1.75 era pitcher or a 2.00 pitcher or a 2.50 era pitcher, and his peripherals this year indicate he's over his head by a decent amount. but he'll finish the year with a ~/-3.00 era and we'll hear once again about how he's a "fader" and "the leg kick takes too much energy" (????????) etc etc.

and that pre/post all-star split everyone just loves to throw around is pretty much entirely a result of his first season; in fact, he you could easily argue he pitched BETTER in the second half last year.

John (jdahlem), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think it's regression so much as:

A) He's a proven quick starter
B) He pitches in a pitchers' park (#5 in the league according to ESPN's ballpark adjustments)
C) His hot start can be easily attributed to 9 of his first 10 starts taking place in the top 5 rated pitchers' parks.
D) 4.08 LUCK

He's a great pitcher and he's improved quite a bit in a couple key areas (pitches/batter faced, groundballs vs. flyballs) but just wait until he goes out on the road some more*.

*unless that's what you're referring to as "regression".

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Example of conversation with gygax! about Willis:

Me: Wow he's pitching great!
Gyg: He's pitching at home soon he'll come back to reality.

Me (couple of weeks later): He's still pitching pretty great!
Gyg: Yeah, but he'll come back to reality soon enough.

Gyg (pointing at mid-June stats): Look he's totally fucking up!

Me (at ACTUAL end of June): Um no he still looks pretty good.
Gyg: Yeah, but he'll fuck after the All Star break. He always does.

What do you have against the guy? I can't imagine anyone I'd rather see doing well than Willis. He's pure likeability!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

it's interesting to note that DW on the road this year is 5-1 with an ERA of 1.88!

Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link

i more or less agree w/ that gygax, tho you should note that espn's park factors are pretty much worthless.

John (jdahlem), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I've seen in person every appearances he's pitched in SF (including the 2003 playoffs) and he never really impressed me in those eyewitness encounters (0-4?, but to his credit perhaps due to the fact that his family was watching but wait no, his mom was always there!!!). I've always felt he was completely over-hyped... especially when he won ROY over Brandon Webb even in spite of his rookie season felling apart, losing his spot in the rotation (all the while Webb continued to dominate and outperform him), and Dontrelle is still over-hyped to a similar extent.

I realize there is a touchy significance behind the marketing of Dontrelle as he is one of the few young black american stars in the game while there is a true void in that which used to be plentiful and famously-celebrated. That spin may be at work and I respect that but I'm skeptical about the concept of affirmitive active marketing in baseball, a sport recognized today in its racial diversity.

xpost to Gear!: yeah! including starts in such cozy spots such as Dodger Stadium and RFK which are the #3 and #1 pitchers' parks according to ballpark adjustments.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

dude he's got an electrifying mound presence, an incredibly engaging personality, and real or not, a 1.75 era. he's not overhyped in the least. (his rookie year is another matter)

and do you seriously not think it's vitally important to market young black ballplayers?

John (jdahlem), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

He did pretty good @ Atlanta last night!

Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

John OTM. Gygax being weird. That said the ROY vote thing was weird, but I don't blame Willis for that. He didn't get a vote ya know.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Like I said above, I respect the importance of the concept but I'm skeptical of the trickle-down marketing spin (esp. vs. community-based grass-roots leagues, park and rec $$$, etc.).

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Did you ever see Like Mike, gygax!?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Nope.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

BTW I wish the stuff gygax! talked about were more prevalent too (I also don't underestimate the importants of having likeable role models.) I read somewhere that Kevin Brown donated a million dollars to set up baseball leagues in primarily African-American parts of LA and I've always really respected him for that (despite his playing for the Yanks--although he's playing BADLY for them so maybe I should respect him for that too haha.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Hasn't Willis been giving Mark Wiley (Marlins pitching coach) a lot of credit, though, for fine-tuning his delivery in spring training and teaching him not to overthrow?

I remember that being a problem for Willis last year - he was telegraphing pitches, pitching really erratically out of the stretch, and having a hard time stranding runners. I realize his 2005 HR rate is a huge outlier, but his BABIP isn't - and his K/BB and G/F ratios are certainly improving.

I'm probably biased, since he's the only thing keeping my pitching staff afloat at this point, but I just don't think he's gonna come crashing down to 2004 levels anytime soon.

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Friday, 24 June 2005 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

there's clearly substantial improvement (his k/bb and g/f as you said), but obv he can't maintain at this pace, and unfortunately when he does regress it'll just be more fodder for his naysayers. otoh he could easily finish w/ 20 wins and/or an era under 3, which should be enough to shut just about anyone up.

meanwhile webb is looking like a super-lowe. 4.26 g/f (!!) and nearly 7 k's/9ip.

John (jdahlem), Friday, 24 June 2005 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link

whoa

Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Sunday, 3 July 2005 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

still absolutely no chance he starts the AS game w/ la russa managing. : (


at the same time, carpenter kinda deserves the attention.

John (jdahlem), Sunday, 3 July 2005 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

authoritative dinger

errant flynn, Thursday, 4 August 2011 09:55 (twelve years ago) link

8 IP, 10 K, 1 BB, 3 ER, and an RBI triple tonight.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Wednesday, 10 August 2011 01:34 (twelve years ago) link

<3<3<3<3<3

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 August 2011 01:35 (twelve years ago) link

too bad he's gonna lose

mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 01:36 (twelve years ago) link

yea sucks that votto-phillips-bruce go 0 for 9

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 01:38 (twelve years ago) link

there's only so much you can do off esmil rodgers

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 August 2011 01:40 (twelve years ago) link

just got roughed up in the third and left the game with a hand injury?

mookieproof, Sunday, 14 August 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link

3-3 at the plate tonight, now has a 1.250 OPS on the season

J0rdan S., Saturday, 27 August 2011 02:58 (twelve years ago) link

#flocka

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 27 August 2011 03:00 (twelve years ago) link

five months pass...

His current Twitter avatar:

http://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/1841935332/l84QWPnf

Andy K, Monday, 20 February 2012 23:52 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

to the O's minors, poor guy

bnw, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago) link

@jay_jaffe
Dontrelle Willis held LHB to .127/.169/.200 in 60 PA last year. Small sample, but good enough reason to keep giving him a shot. So hush.

Andy K, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

AWOL Train

Andy K, Monday, 23 April 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link

train in vain

j.q higgins, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 01:16 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

...is fucking retired!

omar little, Monday, 2 July 2012 22:03 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

signed by the angels, assigned to triple-a salt lake!

5-4, 2.57 in 14 starts for the long island ducks this year

mookieproof, Thursday, 8 August 2013 19:25 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

turns 33 today : /

mookieproof, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:15 (nine years ago) link

That's pretty amazing.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 12 January 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link

minor league deal with the brewers!

mookieproof, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link

wowwwwww

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:15 (nine years ago) link

BB/9 during last three seasons, since his last demotion, still extremely high.

Andy K, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

retiring ;_;

mookieproof, Friday, 13 March 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link

seven months pass...

and tonight he's back! (technical difficulties)

pandit pran nathalie (sanskrit), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 01:20 (eight years ago) link


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