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c'mon, I'm assuming it was just a blown call in the worse possible situation (by a minor-leage ump, natch) until you guys come up with a Council on Foreign Affairs connection.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 March 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah I don't buy the conspiracy necessarily either, but 15 out of 37 umpires (and 3 out of the 4 in this game) is pretty lame. They can do better than that.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 March 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

i love searching for 'wbc' on youtube:

Day when baseball ends
Baseball to which umps authority is esteemed
Umps authority was lost on this day.
And, baseball ends.

This is a baseball birthplace.
Tags // baseball : WBC

Sheehan: "The event’s momentum was killed as the last two days of the Classic’s first round were unavailable on live TV in the U.S. I thought that was an unconscionable decision, given how exciting the first two days had been and how much I, personally, was turned around on the subject... It’s no secret why the games weren’t available; almost all space in the ether for sports broadcasts was occupied by college hoops. This is a big reason why the WBC needs to find a spot on the calendar away from March Madness, or at least its most insane period. Push it to the –bers, push it to later in March, but don’t broadcast two days of baseball and then take the event away."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 March 2006 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Japanese fans cry foul over Classic call

By JIM ARMSTRONG, AP Sports Writer
March 13, 2006

TOKYO (AP) -- Japanese baseball fans were outraged over a controversial call in the World Baseball Classic that helped the United States beat Japan on Sunday.

With the score tied 3-3, Japan appeared to score the go-ahead run against Joe Nathan in the eighth when Akinori Iwamura flied to left with one out and the bases loaded. Tsuyoshi Nishioka tagged up from third and beat Randy Winn's throw home to give Japan a 4-3 lead.


Second base umpire Brian Knight ruled Nishioka safe but Team USA appealed the play, contending Nishioka left the base before the ball was caught, and plate umpire Bob Davidson overruled the call following a brief discussion with the other umpires.

It didn't appear Nishioka left before Winn made the catch on the television replay.

"It was a terrible call," office worker Shoichi Enomoto said a day after the game. "When you have the best players in the world competing, you should have better umpires. We were robbed."

Even Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi weighed in on the call.

"It clearly looked like we were going to win," Koizumi said. "It's a shame to lose on such a strange call."

Davidson is one of 22 major league umpires who lost their jobs in the 1999 labor dispute. He's now a minor league ump who fills in at the big-league level.

In the bottom of the ninth, Alex Rodriguez hit a bases-loaded, two-out single to give the United States a 4-3 victory in the opener of Round 2.

Several Japanese baseball commentators pointed out that Nishioka was shifting his weight to his front foot before the ball reached Winn's glove but that his back foot was still on the bag and Davidson might have been fooled by this.

Former New York Mets manager Bobby Valentine, who manages Nishioka on the Japan Series champion Chiba Lotte Marines, was quoted in the Nikkansports newspaper as saying "It was a bad call."

"I wanted to cry," former Hanshin Tigers manager Senichi Hoshin said. "(Sadaharu) Oh and his players did such a good job and to lose like that is devastating."

Japan will play Mexico on Tuesday before facing South Korea the following day in Anaheim.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 01:31 (eighteen years ago) link

It's not like MLB umpires never make calls that bad. I mean, it was a terrible call, don't get me wrong.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 04:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy shit! Korea is on fire. Why is Seung-Yeop Lee not playing in the US?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the Chiba Lotta Marines offered him more.

Hee Seop's HR was even more impressive than Lee's.

South Korea is looking great. They beat Japan at the Tokyo Dome and now are ridiculing the US team in Anaheim.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Japan looks like it will protest the blown call:

http://www.worldbaseballclassic.com/2006/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060313&content_id=1347845&vkey=wbc_news&fext=.jsp&sid=wbc

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:43 (eighteen years ago) link

"I am not comfortable employing players just based on numbers. We don't know what'll happen in baseball and or to the condition of players. If somebody is in a good mood, I will prefer to use him rather than players with good statistics."
--Korean manager Kim In-sik, on choosing which players to play (The Korea Times)

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 09:50 (eighteen years ago) link

"If somebody is in a good mood, I will prefer to use him rather than players with good statistics."

The Gary Huckabay piece in the new Prospectus on the limits of data analysis does NOT dismiss this line of thought.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 14:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Korea as an underdog, but I don't know about having a big "K" slapped on yr forehead.

Jimmy Mod: The Prettiest Flower In The Pond (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

This whole thing is kind of fucked up. The format is far far too compressed.

I think this tournament has already been enough of a success that it will definitely happen again.

Next time, they should throw the floodgates open to more teams, and spend like two years on qualifying rounds, friendlies, etc. just like with the World Cup. That way it builds anticipation, makes international squads more familiar, and actually gives the thing meaning beyond some hokey international marketing exercise. You can't decide actual championships based on a game, or a couple games.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah I am SHOCKED that the final is a single game. I mean WTF. At least give it a best of three.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i love the idea of creating a mirror format to the world cup. home and home qualifiers, home countries for the finals, etc. i would also love a baseball equivalent of the champions league.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

THe MLB schedule is so tight that I think it would be next to impossible without reducing the number of MLB games per season. You're talking about international travel probably sprinkled throughout the year. The number of games they play is shitballs insane anyway, though, they should slice it to like 130 games. Yeah yeah, lost TV revenue, lost stadium revenue, but a proper intl. competition would reap tall coin and presumably each MLB team could get a slice of that pie.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

To er mix a metaphor or two.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

it would be next to impossible without reducing the number of MLB games per season...they should slice it to like 130 games.

Never gonna happen, but -- HERETIC!

WHEN'S THE NYC FAP, BROS? Saturday or Monday night?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link

i caught the last third of that kor-usa game. wow, is korea really amazing, or does usa just blow humongous bungholes?

also, i i hope ken griffey jr. makes a huge comeback and hella kills some fools. why the hell was his whole family just chilling in the dugout?

Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Wif papa bonds turning over in his grave and his son waiting for willie mays to pull a michale corleone on he ass, Teh Griffeys are teh 1st Family of Baseball now.

Should've Never Give Jimmy Mod Money (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

No, teh boones don't count.

Should've Never Give Jimmy Mod Money (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

fuck that shit, what about the bells?

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

i would also love a baseball equivalent of the champions league.

This would kick ass, but how many countries have functionalm, successful baseball leagues?

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link

So the DR moves on and Venezuela goes home. And Mexico (barring a tiebreaker where everyone except Korea is 1-2) is probably also going home.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link

it should be the American team going home... err... they're already home!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 04:50 (eighteen years ago) link

South Korea highlights in their 7-3 victory over USA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAAbZ95-p_M&feature=Views&page=5&t=t&f=b

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

US lowlights in the same game (including JETER ERRORS!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuKGDoKLesY

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link

JETER BOOTS

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

re: potential champs league

dominican, venezuelan, puerto rican, mexican, japanese all have functional leagues, right? what about korea, italy and greece?

i mean for the lesser leagues you could maybe have play ins...i mean, to take the champs league analogy further, i don't think the bulgarian squads that make it in are expected to do really do anything but be a punching bag for the 5th place premier league club that has to play in, but hey...

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

what about korea, italy and greece?

Yes, the Korean squad (5-0, undefeated in the WBC) has a functional league!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Is anybody else watching this?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 16 March 2006 04:14 (eighteen years ago) link

What happened in the 7th inning of the Cuba/PR game? I saw that Cuba's manager got tossed!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 March 2006 04:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Arguing a call at 2nd base.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 16 March 2006 04:43 (eighteen years ago) link

This is an amazing series. Korea beat Japan 2-1 at the Tokyo Dome last week.

JB Lee just hit a 2-RBI double and got called out at third, breaking the 0-0 tie in the top of the 8th.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 16 March 2006 05:22 (eighteen years ago) link

What a fan atmosphere at the Japan-Korea game! I'm not shocked by it or anything, but it's an amazing thing to watch.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 16 March 2006 05:30 (eighteen years ago) link

S. Korea are like the ChiSox of the WBC. Nobody gave them a chance and they completely wiped the floor with their opponents.

7 hits + 5 walks over 8 complete innings = a combined WHIP of 0.75 so far...

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 16 March 2006 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Japan is not laying down... homerun to lead off the 9th!!! 2-1!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 16 March 2006 05:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Mastumaka's epic at-bat!!!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 16 March 2006 05:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Whoa that was a long foul ball.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 16 March 2006 05:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow Korea who'da thunk it.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 March 2006 05:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Dude he is PLANTING THE KOREAN FLAG IN THE MOUND.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 16 March 2006 05:58 (eighteen years ago) link

6 and 0. The only team to score more than 2 runs against them was Team USA (in garbage time, yay A-Rod!)

vs. Taiwan: 2 - 0
vs. China: 10-1
vs. Japan: 3-2
vs. Mexico: 2-1
vs. USA: 8-3
vs. Japan: 2-1

Ha, those 1 run games are also reminscent of the ChiSox...

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 16 March 2006 06:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What the hell wheaties are the Koreans eating?

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 16 March 2006 06:45 (eighteen years ago) link

So you think Rocket comes back to MLB if he is somehow ignominiously defeated by Mexico?

Larry speaks:

"The tiebreaker is bogus. I don't agree with that," [Chipper] said. "I would change that . . . Knock it down to two flights. Do like a double-elimination thing. Have the winners of the two flights play in San Diego."

In all, however, Jones has greatly enjoyed his WBC experience and would recommend it to those who opted not to participate. He most of all liked being the teammate of Roger Clemens, whom he described as "more like Jesus than I thought."

"He's got worldwide respect," Jones said of Clemens. "He's like EF Hutton. When he speaks, people listen."


http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spusa164664148mar16,0,7465388.story?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"more like Jesus than I thought"!!! :o :o :o
http://tspweb02.tsp.utexas.edu/webarchive/10-24-00/Images/10-24clemens.colorsub.jpg

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 16 March 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I think that is Chipper's very awkward way of saying Clemens isn't the asshole he'd always imagined him to be.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 16 March 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

That's very akward!
Lets just compaire:That's very awkward indeed!
Lets just compare:
http://www.sportsbettingindex.net/images/sports_01/RogerClemens.jpg http://www.sofc.org/HOMEPAGE/jesushead.gif

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

"He's got worldwide respect," Jones said of Clemens. "He's like EF Hutton. When he speaks, people listen."

This quote is even weirder.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Not if yer old enough to remember the EF Hutton TV ads (circa...'78?)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link


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