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I have thrown this to the snarling wolves of ILE -- world cup-ees who claim dubious provenance

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 10 March 2006 00:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha it's controversial practice even in the World Cup, but I really like it. Usually the reason people play for these countries in soccer is because they might not make their home-squad, but it increases the talent pool for another country and anything which makes teams more competitive is aces by me. I just wants to see good games.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 March 2006 00:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I love that Cuba's DH is batting 8th and bunting. It's so cute. I wonder what Cuban players think about the concept of the DH.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 March 2006 00:35 (eighteen years ago) link

It doesn't bother me at all either (aka Alex OTM).

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 10 March 2006 01:24 (eighteen years ago) link

This afternoon I realized that after run differential, the next tiebreaking factor in Round 1 is TEAM BATTING AVERAGE. Jesus.

Assuming that USA crushes SA and ends up with a great run differential:

-- if Canada beats Mexico, they're in
-- if Canada loses to Mexico by one run (and USA beats SA by more than four runs, which is almost certain) then Mexico/Canada comes down to batting average (Canada is well ahead going into tonight's game)
-- if Canada loses to Mexico by more than one run (Mexico 6 Canada 0 in the third, ugh) then Canada is fucked unless SA can keep it close against Clemens and USA

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 10 March 2006 02:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I think this is gonna be moot.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 March 2006 03:27 (eighteen years ago) link

As an A's fan it does NOT thrill me that Loiza was used for five innings, but the guy seems to be a horse so it probably doesn't matter.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 March 2006 03:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Jose Reyes TOOK his first 3 pitches of yesterday's D.R. game! Thanks, Rickey!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link

That's astounding!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

A nugget from the Prospectus annual -- Reyes made the all-time top 5 in outs made in a season last year.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:40 (eighteen years ago) link

That's really depressing.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

But he's EXCITING! The NY media will continue to cream over him as long as he hits a triple every few weeks.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Are the Mets still planning to bat him leadoff or has someone come to their senses?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

'fraid they are. We can only hope he triples his BB rate. Management is obv aware of the problem -- they even mentioned it in official email spam last October! -- but whether they'll drop him to 7th if he doesn't suddenly become selective ... I just can't see that happening. Cuz sportstalkradio would be OUTRAGED at Beltran leading off.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

netherlands win, 10-0, in seven innings ... and shairon martis hurls a 65-pitch no-hitter.

maura (maura), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

talk about an economical outing ...

Q: What are the pitcher use limitations of the tournament?
A: A pitcher must:

* Not pitch until a minimum of four days have passed since he last pitched, if he threw 50 or more pitches when he last pitched;
* Not pitch until a minimum of one day has passed since he last pitched, if he threw 30 or more pitches when he last pitched;
* Not pitch until a minimum of one day has passed since any second consecutive day on which the pitcher pitched; and
* Throw no more than:
o 65 pitches per game in Round One of the tournament;
o 80 pitches per game in Round Two of the tournament; and
o 95 pitches per game in the Semifinals and Final of the tournament.

Note: A pitcher may exceed the maximum per-game limits in order to complete a batter's plate appearance.

maura (maura), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Poor South Africa.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 March 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

What about China? They're probably worse than RSA!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 10 March 2006 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Jake Peavy's getting tossed around like a ragdoll by Japan... 3-0 top of the 2nd. Ichiro went yard against him to start the game.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 12 March 2006 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Japan loses 4-3 on controversial blown call:

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060312&content_id=1346635&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 13 March 2006 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

wow was that call shitty

Stormy Davis (diamond), Monday, 13 March 2006 04:27 (eighteen years ago) link

nice to see Damaso Marte up to his usual tricks tonite

Stormy Davis (diamond), Monday, 13 March 2006 04:28 (eighteen years ago) link

actually, it pains me to write that, I really liked Damaso (and met him one time!)

Stormy Davis (diamond), Monday, 13 March 2006 04:28 (eighteen years ago) link

was the Japan-USA game on tv? i really wanted to see that, not this boring goddamn homo KOR-MEX shit on espn. shitballs.
It was on ESPN2, I think.

That was a lame reversal.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 March 2006 05:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow. That link now points to a new MLB article, which makes no mention of the blown call (as all the replays confirmed) which the original article pointed out. What a country!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 13 March 2006 05:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I just read the MLB article -- the blown call is back in.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 13 March 2006 07:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Did if they mike Oh and his translator?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 March 2006 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's an article which doesn't gloss over the blown call:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=ArhTyBfDUnt7wfDvHLr1TesRvLYF?slug=jp-wbc031206&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 13 March 2006 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

And for those of you who didn't get a chance to see what a bullshit call it was:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3Xq9HgNZXE&feature=Views&page=1&t=t&f=b

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 13 March 2006 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah I was wondering about the umpire makeup. Really lame.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 March 2006 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

America doesn't have to play by the rules, did you not get the memo over the last six years or so??

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 13 March 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

MOVE TO CALIFORNIA OR TAXACHUSSETS, YOU AMERICA HATIN' LIBRAL!!!! lolomgwtf

c(''c) (Leee), Monday, 13 March 2006 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

last six years only, tracer?

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 13 March 2006 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link

And for those of you who didn't get a chance to see what a bullshit call it was:

I didn't see it.

That call was bullshit. A completely routine tag-up.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 13 March 2006 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

America in "asshole of the world" shockah

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 13 March 2006 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

c'mon, I'm assuming it was just a blown call in the worse possible situation (by a minor-leage ump, natch) until you guys come up with a Council on Foreign Affairs connection.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 March 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah I don't buy the conspiracy necessarily either, but 15 out of 37 umpires (and 3 out of the 4 in this game) is pretty lame. They can do better than that.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 March 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

i love searching for 'wbc' on youtube:

Day when baseball ends
Baseball to which umps authority is esteemed
Umps authority was lost on this day.
And, baseball ends.

This is a baseball birthplace.
Tags // baseball : WBC

Sheehan: "The event’s momentum was killed as the last two days of the Classic’s first round were unavailable on live TV in the U.S. I thought that was an unconscionable decision, given how exciting the first two days had been and how much I, personally, was turned around on the subject... It’s no secret why the games weren’t available; almost all space in the ether for sports broadcasts was occupied by college hoops. This is a big reason why the WBC needs to find a spot on the calendar away from March Madness, or at least its most insane period. Push it to the –bers, push it to later in March, but don’t broadcast two days of baseball and then take the event away."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 March 2006 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Japanese fans cry foul over Classic call

By JIM ARMSTRONG, AP Sports Writer
March 13, 2006

TOKYO (AP) -- Japanese baseball fans were outraged over a controversial call in the World Baseball Classic that helped the United States beat Japan on Sunday.

With the score tied 3-3, Japan appeared to score the go-ahead run against Joe Nathan in the eighth when Akinori Iwamura flied to left with one out and the bases loaded. Tsuyoshi Nishioka tagged up from third and beat Randy Winn's throw home to give Japan a 4-3 lead.


Second base umpire Brian Knight ruled Nishioka safe but Team USA appealed the play, contending Nishioka left the base before the ball was caught, and plate umpire Bob Davidson overruled the call following a brief discussion with the other umpires.

It didn't appear Nishioka left before Winn made the catch on the television replay.

"It was a terrible call," office worker Shoichi Enomoto said a day after the game. "When you have the best players in the world competing, you should have better umpires. We were robbed."

Even Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi weighed in on the call.

"It clearly looked like we were going to win," Koizumi said. "It's a shame to lose on such a strange call."

Davidson is one of 22 major league umpires who lost their jobs in the 1999 labor dispute. He's now a minor league ump who fills in at the big-league level.

In the bottom of the ninth, Alex Rodriguez hit a bases-loaded, two-out single to give the United States a 4-3 victory in the opener of Round 2.

Several Japanese baseball commentators pointed out that Nishioka was shifting his weight to his front foot before the ball reached Winn's glove but that his back foot was still on the bag and Davidson might have been fooled by this.

Former New York Mets manager Bobby Valentine, who manages Nishioka on the Japan Series champion Chiba Lotte Marines, was quoted in the Nikkansports newspaper as saying "It was a bad call."

"I wanted to cry," former Hanshin Tigers manager Senichi Hoshin said. "(Sadaharu) Oh and his players did such a good job and to lose like that is devastating."

Japan will play Mexico on Tuesday before facing South Korea the following day in Anaheim.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 01:31 (eighteen years ago) link

It's not like MLB umpires never make calls that bad. I mean, it was a terrible call, don't get me wrong.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 04:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy shit! Korea is on fire. Why is Seung-Yeop Lee not playing in the US?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the Chiba Lotta Marines offered him more.

Hee Seop's HR was even more impressive than Lee's.

South Korea is looking great. They beat Japan at the Tokyo Dome and now are ridiculing the US team in Anaheim.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Japan looks like it will protest the blown call:

http://www.worldbaseballclassic.com/2006/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060313&content_id=1347845&vkey=wbc_news&fext=.jsp&sid=wbc

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:43 (eighteen years ago) link

"I am not comfortable employing players just based on numbers. We don't know what'll happen in baseball and or to the condition of players. If somebody is in a good mood, I will prefer to use him rather than players with good statistics."
--Korean manager Kim In-sik, on choosing which players to play (The Korea Times)

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 09:50 (eighteen years ago) link

"If somebody is in a good mood, I will prefer to use him rather than players with good statistics."

The Gary Huckabay piece in the new Prospectus on the limits of data analysis does NOT dismiss this line of thought.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 14:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Korea as an underdog, but I don't know about having a big "K" slapped on yr forehead.

Jimmy Mod: The Prettiest Flower In The Pond (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

This whole thing is kind of fucked up. The format is far far too compressed.

I think this tournament has already been enough of a success that it will definitely happen again.

Next time, they should throw the floodgates open to more teams, and spend like two years on qualifying rounds, friendlies, etc. just like with the World Cup. That way it builds anticipation, makes international squads more familiar, and actually gives the thing meaning beyond some hokey international marketing exercise. You can't decide actual championships based on a game, or a couple games.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link


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